shteev said: Ohboy said: shteev said: Hibernum_JC said: I'll say this - we are actively listening to all your comments about duplicates and will seriously take them into consideration for the future. This doesn't mean we'll actually do a system like Hearthstone's dust system, but we are really taking these comments to heart. So... maybe my reading wasn't quite so optimistic as you're implying? Perhaps there are some grounds for me believing that it's possible that duplicates might mean something? You're kidding right. I'll just use the quote you supplied and even your interpretation of it is hopelessly optimistic. Nowhere does it say they will do or even consider a crafting system or any use of dupes other than runes. Really. So you're saying that what JC was really saying was 'We're listening to your feedback, but we guarantee that we'll never do anything about it. Keep submitting it tho because we like the sound of your mouths flapping up and down'.What about this quote, then, which I've posted on the forums a couple of times recently: Brigby said: 1) The team is currently developing a system that addresses duplicates, in order to give them more value than just converting into runes. You can expect this to be implemented within the next couple of months. It does seem rather that an interpretation of that comment as a system which gives your duplicates more value than just converting them into runes is quite justified, isn't it?I put it to you, sir, that your argument merely boils down to 'You have some things, I don't have some things, I don't like that you have things, and I want those things taken away from you'.@Brigby If probably looks like me and OhBoy are getting quite personal here, but you have to remember the important psychological warfare that is going on under the surface: both of us are trying to imply that our reading of the prior statements of D3/Hibernum team are the most obvious one, and that anyone trying to make up their own mind rather than just agreeing with us is just wasting their time. To that end, I'd see it as a personal favour if you didn't do your usual thing and delete all my posts and leave his intact.
Ohboy said: shteev said: Hibernum_JC said: I'll say this - we are actively listening to all your comments about duplicates and will seriously take them into consideration for the future. This doesn't mean we'll actually do a system like Hearthstone's dust system, but we are really taking these comments to heart. So... maybe my reading wasn't quite so optimistic as you're implying? Perhaps there are some grounds for me believing that it's possible that duplicates might mean something? You're kidding right. I'll just use the quote you supplied and even your interpretation of it is hopelessly optimistic. Nowhere does it say they will do or even consider a crafting system or any use of dupes other than runes.
shteev said: Hibernum_JC said: I'll say this - we are actively listening to all your comments about duplicates and will seriously take them into consideration for the future. This doesn't mean we'll actually do a system like Hearthstone's dust system, but we are really taking these comments to heart. So... maybe my reading wasn't quite so optimistic as you're implying? Perhaps there are some grounds for me believing that it's possible that duplicates might mean something?
Hibernum_JC said: I'll say this - we are actively listening to all your comments about duplicates and will seriously take them into consideration for the future. This doesn't mean we'll actually do a system like Hearthstone's dust system, but we are really taking these comments to heart.
Brigby said: 1) The team is currently developing a system that addresses duplicates, in order to give them more value than just converting into runes. You can expect this to be implemented within the next couple of months.
Ohboy said:It's just fair.
speakupaskanswer said: Because you mostly only engage with your archenemy. Like, now, you only reacted to my (personal?) comment on your way of discussing instead of my arguments about the actual discussion.
speakupaskanswer said: If everyone starts at zero, it's totally fair. You haven't lost anything by saving your dupes, except the runes you didn't get. Since there was no promise (well, and to be fair, no specifics), no one said we should save them. I just don't see how it would be unfair to give everyone the same starting point. That's the definition of fair.But I guess it doesn't matter because you enjoy your personal conflict more than discussing with the community...
majincob said: speakupaskanswer said: If everyone starts at zero, it's totally fair. Do you mean destroy everyone's collections? 0 cards, only a lvl1 Nissa and the starter deck, no packs, crystals, jewels, runes etc?
speakupaskanswer said: If everyone starts at zero, it's totally fair.
majincob said: The fair thing is to recognise that converting was optional.
<code>some players will have huge dupe stockpiles, and others will have none. Should those stockpiles be force-converted when the new system is added? [2.A.i] Yes - Perceived as unfair by players who stockpile. Problematic. [2.A.ii] No - The new system will introduce serious imbalance, all but ruling this out. This will also be perceived as unfair by players who don't stockpile. [2.B] No - No balance or unfairness problemsWill we ever let dupes be used for anything other than runes?<br>[1] No - Let players convert at will (as opposed to force-converting to runes on opening a dupe)?<br><b> [1.A] Yes - No balance or unfairness problems</b><br><b> [1.B] No - No balance or unfairness problems</b><br>[2] Yes - Let players convert at will (as opposed to force-converting on opening a dupe)?<br> [2.A] Yes - When a new system for dupes is introduced,
<code>some players will have huge dupe stockpiles, and others will have none
toastie said:I have two 50s and a 60 on the nodes. Every single game has been against a 60. And this is in gold, not even plat. I have a grand total of 100 runes right now, there is literally nothing I can do about this.
hawkyh1 said: toastie said:I have two 50s and a 60 on the nodes. Every single game has been against a 60. And this is in gold, not even plat. I have a grand total of 100 runes right now, there is literally nothing I can do about this. just one example that dupes are not just runes.these runes are an increased chance for a betterreward if timed well.I don't fully agree with this'You haven't lost anything by saving your dupes, except the runes you didn't get. 'HH
Lagartha said: I'm just going to step in and point out that one of the things the guy from Wizards of the Coast was MOST excited and tight lipped about was a NEW system to address duplicates. If I recall correctly, he said that they were working on it, we just needed to be patient..
span_argoman said: No time for a full-length reply, but consider this: if they allow us to keep our duplicates from the start of the game that's some 10,000 duplicates for the top players. The developers have to design the new duplicate system while factoring this giant hoard in mind.And if conversions are going to be differentiated by rarity, there will be all the duplicate mythics from the era of guaranteed coalition mythics to account for. Shteev has proclaimed that he has 70+ duplicate mythics.For the rest of the players, think whether you would prefer that the developers balance the new duplicate system based on duplicates generated under the new reward system (ie. less cards overall and hence each duplicate can be worth more) or having to factor in the excesses from an era of abundance.Of course there's no guarantee that they put all that consideration into their design of the system. We might just get a system where a duplicate Masterpiece/Mythic/Rare cards are converted into 10 Jewels/1 Jewel/1 Crystal.But forcing a conversion before the new duplicate system is implemented would justify better rates for duplicate conversion considering the developers probably don't want to give any group of players an easy route to having all (or many) of the cards they desire.As for those questioning whether they might force an opening of all your hoarded packs before the conversion, I doubt they will nor will it be necessary. Say in an act of massive dedication, you hoard up to 400 packs over the next few months before the new system is implemented, that is 2,000 cards. With the mythic drop rate of ~0.8% that's 16 Mythics, some of which might be new cause they will come from Amonkhet which if you're hoarding packs you will be missing a fair number of the mythics.That's only 1/5 of what almost all the top players currently hold in duplicates. Just use that ratio to think about how bad they'll have to make the conversion if they allow us to keep our duplicates going into the new system.And @shteev I don't buy the argument about it being a sacrifice not converting the duplicates into Runes to level up our planeswalkers especially for top players. My accidental conversion of 7,000 cards (earned over 9 months or so) yielded only 240k Runes. Which is only 1.5x the amount you need to level a single dual-colour planeswalker to level 60.As an active Platinum player and mild/moderate QB player I have earned more than enough Runes each set to fully level the new planeswalkers once they're available in the Vault. This argument may be more valid now with the loss of QB but considering the period of 'sacrifice' was when QB was still present, to me it doesn't hold much water.
span_argoman said: Shteev has proclaimed that he has 70+ duplicate mythics.For the rest of the players, think whether you would prefer that the developers balance the new duplicate system based on duplicates generated under the new reward system (ie. less cards overall and hence each duplicate can be worth more) or having to factor in the excesses from an era of abundance.
shteev said:On the other hand, there were no events before June last year, when the second era of abundance came to pass. The return in prizes compared to the amount of time and effort I put in back then were vastly lower. Isn't THAT unfair? Isn't it unfair that someone playing all week now earns far more than me when I was playing all week last year?This all just boils down to the fact that I want to get better value of of the things I've earned than you want me to. Fair enough. We just have a difference of opinion about what we want my stuff to be worth. Now let's just wait and see what happens.
Matthew said: Lagartha said: Words Are you talking about the guy you spoke to when you walked into their offices? (Btw, that was not me; if I remember correctly, he and I share the same name).
Lagartha said: Words