Embalm and exert

Szamsziel
Szamsziel Posts: 463 Mover and Shaker
in MtGPQ General Discussion
With recent prerelease of Amonkhet - how do you guys think the main mechanics of Amonkhet is implemented in mtgpq?
(or rather - how do you would like to be implemented)? 
My ideas:
Exert - without changing interface - just giving bonuses on attack 
Embalm - like eternal scrouge - if killed it return to hand as zombiefied version. 
Cycling - additional button - do you want to exile/ do you want to cycle this card?
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  • Gun Bunny
    Gun Bunny Posts: 233 Tile Toppler
    Embalm I see operating more like geralf's masterpiece/stitchwing skaab, except you generate a token instead of bringing the card back into play.
  • wink
    wink Posts: 136 Tile Toppler
    I think the easiest thing to do is to make all of the embalm creatures use the Transform mechanic, where they flip to a zombie version of their original selves when they die.
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Embalm : when creature dies, lose x mana and flip
    Exert : activate to get Exert ability. Creature is disabled until end of your next turn. 
    -1/-1 tokens : that should be interesting to see. 
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2017
    Exert I could see being "Activate X: this creature gets (benefit) and will be disabled after combat until the end of your next turn"

    Embalm is simplest to use the transform mechanic, though I could also see the dead creature becoming a support gem.

    -1/-1 counters won't be too hard as that mechanic exists in game already.

    Though I will say it's equally possible they will make up something new entirely
  • Copioso
    Copioso Posts: 30 Just Dropped In
    What I hope for is new mechanics that I'll be able to use profitably without needing a couple of key mythics I'll never get (you know, like dynavolt tower or lightning runner).
    What I realistically expect is a brand new set of bugs to deal with.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    When a creature with Exert attacks, the game will crash.
  • Szamsziel
    Szamsziel Posts: 463 Mover and Shaker
    @shteev I thought we are not providing obvious solution.  Please be more creative than developers.
  • THEMAGICkMAN
    THEMAGICkMAN Posts: 697 Critical Contributor
    I have a hobby of making cards for MtGPQ and I design them and their keywords myself (balancing comes mainly from @phase) Here's what I have for the mechanics of Amonkhet, and this includes Aftermath cards:

    Exert:

    When this creature attacks, you may choose to disable it after combat until the end of your next turn and gain X effect.

    Embalm

    First of all, my version of the mechanic requires a graveyard you can look through and see. So keep in mind that I designed this mechanic with a visible graveyard in mind. 

    Any embalm creature in your graveyard creates X activate gems on the board, and when you match that gem you can choose to lose X mana and create a creature token copy of the card, except its a white zombie in addition to its other types and colours. The embalm card is then exiled.

    Cycling

    Whenever you landfall for the same colour as this card you may discard it and draw a card.

    Here is one of my Aftermath cards I designed:

    Dusk // Dawn

    Double sided spell card;

    Side 1:

    7 mana spell,

    Destroy all creatures your opponent controls with 5 or less power. After you cast this card, flip it and return it to your hand.

    14 mana spell,

    Destroy all creatures your opponent controls with 6 or more power.


    If you'd like to see some of my other designs you can PM me, if you have anything to build on from my designs of he keywords then I'd love to hear your thoughts, also I create the images for the cards (and they look pretty realistic) so if there's a card you'd like to see in PQ then feel free to tell me and I'll make it for you :)



    Szamsziel said:
    With recent prerelease of Amonkhet - how do you guys think the main mechanics of Amonkhet is implemented in mtgpq?
    (or rather - how do you would like to be implemented)? 
    My ideas:
    Exert - without changing interface - just giving bonuses on attack 
    Embalm - like eternal scrouge - if killed it return to hand as zombiefied version. 
    Cycling - additional button - do you want to exile/ do you want to cycle this card?

    Your Exert loses the choice part of the paper magic version, choosing whether or not to tap your own creature down is one of the keys to this mechanic. Your version of Embalm is really, really interesting. I like it a lot, and hope that it makes it into the game. Your cycling loses the cost of cycling, which I feel should be a part of the card. However the idea of there being an additional button is very cool, and could be used really well.


    Gun Bunny said:
    Embalm I see operating more like geralf's masterpiece/stitchwing skaab, except you generate a token instead of bringing the card back into play.

    This is cool, but it loses the cost activation that paper magics embalm has. This version of the mechanic seems a little bland compared to the paper magic version of embalm. I feel like embalm should play well with discard and milling effects and have that extra level of depth.

    wink said:

    I think the easiest thing to do is to make all of the embalm creatures use the Transform mechanic, where they flip to a zombie version of their original selves when they die.
    yeah probably the simplest and easiest. I would guess that something like this makes it into the game.


    Ohboy said:
    Embalm : when creature dies, lose x mana and flip
    Exert : activate to get Exert ability. Creature is disabled until end of your next turn. 
    -1/-1 tokens : that should be interesting to see. 

    Your embalm is simple, and there's something to be said for simple mechanics, but it lacks depth and would be kinda boring to play with. Its a great starting point and template for the mechanic but I feel it needs more. Maybe its just me. Your exert doesn't have choice as a part of it, its more luck oriented which I don't like personally. Again, maybe its just me, but I feel like exert should be a choice mechanic not a luck mechanic. -1/-1 tokens are basically already in the game. just give a creature -1/-1.

     I have to split the rest of this post into another post because i think I hit a word limit or the forums are bugging or something.
  • THEMAGICkMAN
    THEMAGICkMAN Posts: 697 Critical Contributor
    wereotter said:
    Exert I could see being "Activate X: this creature gets (benefit) and will be disabled after combat until the end of your next turn"

    Embalm is simplest to use the transform mechanic, though I could also see the dead creature becoming a support gem.

    -1/-1 counters won't be too hard as that mechanic exists in game already.

    Though I will say it's equally possible they will make up something new entirely
    See above post for my thoughts on this kind of exert. Your support gem idea for Embalm is really interesting. Probably could be flavourful, its interesting, and would be fun to play around with. I kinda hope they do make up something entirely new to keep the game interesting.

    Copioso said:
    What I hope for is new mechanics that I'll be able to use profitably without needing a couple of key mythics I'll never get (you know, like dynavolt tower or lightning runner).
    What I realistically expect is a brand new set of bugs to deal with.
    Yeah hopefully they won't make that mistake again ( @Hibernum_JC  you should probably take note of this )

    shteev said:
    When a creature with Exert attacks, the game will crash.
    In all reality, this is probably what will happen. Either crash or freeze. Maybe both. Its flavourful though.
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    Copioso said:
    What I hope for is new mechanics that I'll be able to use profitably without needing a couple of key mythics I'll never get (you know, like dynavolt tower or lightning runner).
    What I realistically expect is a brand new set of bugs to deal with.
    This was the problem I quickly recognized when I received the new PW for the Kaladesh theme. No matter what combination of non-mythic cards I tried to use, these PW were all but useless.  Especially Chandra and Nissa. I could not make them work without some Mythics that provided energized gems enmasse or used energized gems in a way that provided a distinct strategic facet to the deck. Saheeli and Tezz the schemer function better with or without energized gems. Especially Tezz. Dovin is up in the air but suspect he's too closely tied to the energized mechanic that Chandra and Nissa are, this requiring a Kaladesh mythic to make their loyalty abilities useful.  
  • EDHdad
    EDHdad Posts: 609 Critical Contributor
    Embalm:  "If Liliana puts this in her deck, you win the game."

    Exert:  "If Koth puts this in his deck, you win the game."
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    EDHdad said:
    Embalm:  "If Liliana puts this in her deck, you win the game."

    Exert:  "If Koth puts this in his deck, you win the game."
    Fortunately, embalm is not a black mechanic :)
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    wereotter said:
    EDHdad said:
    Embalm:  "If Liliana puts this in her deck, you win the game."

    Exert:  "If Koth puts this in his deck, you win the game."
    Fortunately, embalm is not a black mechanic :)
    With Sorin being black and white,  things could REALLY interesting with the white embalm zombies combined with black zombies in a deck build. 

    I have thought of this version for MTGPQ

    Embalm: if this card is in the graveyard, it is returned to your hand and it retains all its abilities with the addition to being a white zombie. Destroy X gems of the PW primary color and place this white zombie (card name) creature on the battle field, exile this token card when it goes to the graveyard. 

    (non-text note - X amount varies from mythics to Commons for strategic purposes in PQ)

    Thoughts?
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    OT first :
    Although I've the cards to make dovin Baan work how he was meant to work, I currently use him for a bounce / destroy / stun deck. His colors are making him useful apart from KLD mechanics. Chandra 2 - well, she's running a spell heavy vehicle deck for the arena +node 1.2 in ratc, only because of her mana gains. Tez 2 will become zombie heavy if I get bored of his strategy. Saheeli once again is powerful because of the many options red / blue are offering, and nissa 2..Well , her second ability and some ramping supports can energize the whole board by itself - but without the mythics she's not very useful.

    B2T
    I don't know why, but I do trust the developers in this case. I think the update will offer the necessary mechanics for Amk, so maybe we'll have a better idea how it will work this evening.
    I do hope the - 1/ - 1 counters won't be working like servos, that wouldn't fit the ambiance of the set. More like permanent - x/-x spells. @THEMAGICkMAN, I do disagree with you on a lot of topics, but thanks a lot for sharing these ideas with us, they give me a better idea on what to expect /hope for. You put a lot of thoughts in that!
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    edited April 2017
    I can't figure out how to delete a draft...
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Matthew said:
    I can't figure out how to delete a draft...

    It stays forever. Try erasing what you wrote, then typing a few spaces, and clicking on "save draft".
  • Sorin81
    Sorin81 Posts: 558 Critical Contributor
    Matthew said:
    I can't figure out how to delete a draft...
    If you are on mobile you can click on the button to the left of the d3 logo at the top of the screen. You will see the drafts option and once you click to see your drafts you can click the x to the left and it will be deleted.
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    edited April 2017
    Sorry to deviate the topic, guys. I had a draft sitting here that I couldn't figure out how to delete, so instead I figured I'd try to make the best of it by posting that in hopes of getting some answers. Thanks!
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Matthew said:
    Sorry to deviate the topic, guys. I had a draft sitting here that I couldn't figure out how to delete, so instead I figured I'd try to make the best of it by posting that in hopes of getting some answers. Thanks!
    In a PC browser, while you are actually in a thread, you'll get a box at the top right of the page with these options in it:
    If you have any drafts, they'll be added to the bottom of the list. Click on the drafts to view them, and you can delete them.

    Also, Exert.
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    OT first :
    Although I've the cards to make dovin Baan work how he was meant to work, I currently use him for a bounce / destroy / stun deck. His colors are making him useful apart from KLD mechanics. Chandra 2 - well, she's running a spell heavy vehicle deck for the arena +node 1.2 in ratc, only because of her mana gains. Tez 2 will become zombie heavy if I get bored of his strategy. Saheeli once again is powerful because of the many options red / blue are offering, and nissa 2..Well , her second ability and some ramping supports can energize the whole board by itself - but without the mythics she's not very useful.
    Question: are you using Dovin and Chandra for their extra mana by color abilities or are the decks you've created able to use their other abilities beyond the first? Because this is where I get frustrated. They are essentially mana cows without any major support from their 2nd and 3rd abilities unless you've a decent mythic.  Not much different from Nissa. I have successfully made decks for dovin but I'm only able to spam the 1st ability for anything good beyond his extra white and blue mana gains.  Chandra I can barely do squat and have more success with Chandra 1.0 than her. Just curious

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