POLL: What level will your Tezzeret the Schemer be?

shteev

As I'm sure we're all aware, a great exploit available to all players right now, regardless of what Tier they are in, is to play a low level planeswalker in events: there's no reduction in the number of ribbons you score; you tend to play easier opponents; it makes some objectives easier (It's a lot easier to win in 5 turns when your opponent only has 36 life!); and you can save yourself quite a hefty amount of runes.

There doesn't seem to be much upside to levelling a planeswalker up to level 60 any more... You score less ribbons in QB, but really there's not much point playing anyone except Nahiri and Koth in QB if you're shooting for the top 10.

The next new PW available to buy will be Tezzeret the Schemer, and I was wondering what kind of level you were thinking of taking him to?

hawkyh1

I like to level my planeswalker(dual) up to either 40 or 46.
the <60k runes required to do so is a good compromise
between runes and abilities. I try to win but purposely
staying at a low level to do so could remove a lot of the fun
associated with certain planeswalkers.

HH

aesith

Considering we were suppose to vote our displeasure with our wallet, nobody should have Tezzeret and this doesn't matter for 2 months until he is available for crystals.

shteev

aesith wrote:

Considering we were suppose to vote our displeasure with our wallet, nobody should have Tezzeret and this doesn't matter for 2 months until he is available for crystals.

Indeed. That's what I meant, I should have been clearer.

ridfrenzy

All of my PWs are 60 and I refuse to purposefully exploit the system.

Falizar

Level 60 so I can post on Facebook my match results when i beat @Killwind and @Mersicide

PsychoMantis

Um 60? Why wouldn't you? Seems like a dumb question

ridfrenzy

PsychoMantis wrote:

Um 60? Why wouldn't you? Seems like a dumb question

Buscemi is alluding to the fact many people level PWs to specific levels so they can a) not play certain other players due to the bad matchmaking system and b) have an easier time with speed objectives such as kill in less than x turns.

majincob

ridfrenzy wrote:

PsychoMantis wrote:

Um 60? Why wouldn't you? Seems like a dumb question

Buscemi is alluding to the fact many people level PWs to specific levels so they can a) not play certain other players due to the bad matchmaking system and b) have an easier time with speed objectives such as kill in less than x turns.

Another fun exploit is to enter an event at low level, then level the PW after locking it to a node. For instance, I didn't drop a single Objective in arena since I'd never bothered to level up my G2 before, so I was facing lvl 15-20 with my lvl 60. Only didn't end on a perfect score because the game crashed when finishing a game.

babar3355

So, actually the optimal place to leave your PWs is in the low 50's. Reason being, the AI tends to punish under-leveled PWs by pairing them against those with higher levels. So if you stop at say 53 and the max cap is level+ 6, then the highest rank opponent will be 59. The reason this tends to be optimal is that almost no one wants to leave a PW at 59. That means they will always face level 60 opponents. If you leave your PW in the 40's you will likey run up against other really tuned up decks that are in the low 50s.

Anyway, totally exploited issue that doesn't seem to be on anyone's radar. I pointed it out in this post last November:
https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=55242

I know people who have used lvl 12 PWs in platinum to win event prizes like Dynavolt and Aetherworks marvel. And you know what? I don't blame them. It's D3's job to create a fair playing field, not the player bases' job to self police or avoid taking advantage of loopholes.

madwren

ridfrenzy wrote:

PsychoMantis wrote:

Um 60? Why wouldn't you? Seems like a dumb question

Buscemi is alluding to the fact many people level PWs to specific levels so they can a) not play certain other players due to the bad matchmaking system and b) have an easier time with speed objectives such as kill in less than x turns.

It's also a lot easier to attain the "take less than X damage" since it takes so much longer for the opponent to get threats out.

wink

madwren wrote:

ridfrenzy wrote:

PsychoMantis wrote:

Um 60? Why wouldn't you? Seems like a dumb question

Buscemi is alluding to the fact many people level PWs to specific levels so they can a) not play certain other players due to the bad matchmaking system and b) have an easier time with speed objectives such as kill in less than x turns.

It's also a lot easier to attain the "take less than X damage" since it takes so much longer for the opponent to get threats out.

And it's much easier to "finish with less than 50 hp" if you're only starting off with 45.

nexus13

I don't have the time to grind QB for the runes so I only fully level the PW's where I'll really need it. Tezz definitely won't start at 60 for me but may get there eventually.

Infested

After a bit of research, i think that Tezz might be best at lvl 20. He gets a good bit of access to mana (5 mana looks to be where he wants). Gets rank 1 of all abilities and i think that his second one is great same with third. Is still low enough to make most objectives.

octal9

Infested wrote:

his second one is great

Even better than great: his second is the absolute best source of Fabricate in the entire game.

shteev

Wow. Just wow. This exploit is still a thing, huh?

UweTellkampf

Yes. It is actually quite ridiculous, I don't really get why there is not more talk about it in the forum, maybe because it is so convenient - take one (or two) low-level easy winners in the event (with cycling it is not even a challenge to win against an opponent 30-40 levels higher), and with the right choice of when to play what node, your 60 levellers will be matched against low-level decks and your (cycling) low-level decks will be matched against lvl 60s (and destroy them easily.

Ohboy

Because as powerful as this strategy is, the dominant stable strategy right now is just mass cycling. 

madwren

Indeed. It's also great that the low amount of rune rewards also encourage people not to level their planeswalkers.