Repercussion of a Baral nerf?

Abbot_Nalaar
Abbot_Nalaar Posts: 36 Just Dropped In
edited March 2017 in MtGPQ General Discussion
For D3: We paid for a specific card, if you change that card what is our recourse?

For community: How many players are you expecting to leave if they screw this up?

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  • jimilinho_
    jimilinho_ Posts: 292
    I think if they nerf it we complain.

    I also think if they dont nerf it we complain.

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  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    Everyone who asks for a refund should get one ;however, the card should then be deleted from their account.
  • Theros
    Theros Posts: 490 Mover and Shaker
    Mainloop25 wrote:
    Everyone who asks for a refund should get one ;however, the card should then be deleted from their account.

    This is what is normally done from other card games I played.

    I don't see D3 taking such action.
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor
    Kiora and Ajani were both nerfed post-purchase. I don't recall anything drastic happening after that. If players are going to leave, it has nothing to do with Baral. That's just their way of drumming up drama.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    MADAFAKA wrote:
    Mainloop25 wrote:
    Everyone who asks for a refund should get one ;however, the card should then be deleted from their account.

    This is what is normally done from other card games I played.

    I don't see D3 taking such action.

    I actually think it's pretty amazing that they don't.
  • Abbot_Nalaar
    Abbot_Nalaar Posts: 36 Just Dropped In
    Steeme wrote:
    Kiora and Ajani were both nerfed post-purchase. I don't recall anything drastic happening after that. If players are going to leave, it has nothing to do with Baral. That's just their way of drumming up drama.

    Both kiora and ajani were purchasable with crystals. Baral was money only.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Abbot_Nalaar wrote:
    For D3: We paid for a specific card, if you change that card what is our recourse?

    For community: How many players are you expecting to leave if they screw this up?

    I think anyone who bought the card should have had the foresight to know what they were getting into, and that anyone leaving would be for the myriad other reasons.
  • Abbot_Nalaar
    Abbot_Nalaar Posts: 36 Just Dropped In
    So we should have seen them changing the purchased product? If that is the case I will never purchase anything from them again. If I cannot have confidence in your product I will nolonger spend money with your company. The same reason I am not investing in paper magic. I have 4 foiled copters to look at to remind me.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Abbot_Nalaar wrote:
    So we should have seen them changing the purchased product?

    It's entirely reasonable to assume a certain degree of awareness on the part of the purchaser, both regarding the power level of the card relative to others, and also how similar looping cards have had their power levels reduced in the past. There was discussion about the card the moment we saw the spoiler. I can't speak for everyone, but I bought it fully expecting it to eventually be changed to something more reasonable, and expect that many others did as well.

    However, modern competitive gaming isn't a static enterprise. It's dynamic. Nerfs and power adjustments are part and parcel with the experience. This is true in Magic, in Hearthstone, and in PQ. You invest at your own peril. It isn't just CCGs, though. When they nerf D.Va in Overwatch, it doesn't mean that you're entitled to a refund because your gaming experience changed.

    So hey, don't get me wrong, I sympathize that you spent money on something that changed, and you don't want it to. That's awesome--don't spend money. That's fully your right and I support you 100%.

    However, you posed the question, "How many players are you expecting to leave if they screw this up?", then my answer is twofold. One, I don't expect many to leave. Two, "screw this up" is very subjective. People have been leaving because of the numerous other negative changes made in the most recent update. Conversely, while adjusting the power level of a card isn't always enjoyable, it's usually a positive for the health of the game and the player experience.
  • PastrySpider
    PastrySpider Posts: 127 Tile Toppler
    The risk is less that people will leave and more that next time I see a card that looks like it might shake up the meta, I'll question whether it.will get nerfed a couple of weeks after I bought it.

    The Kiora nerf happened a long time after she was released so people got good value out of her and the nerf wasn't that huge (at least much less thab originally planned).

    My hope here is that the Devs try and get a bit creative and give Baral a redesign rather than the obvious flat nerfs of either cutting mana give or card draw.

    Also, Devs could soften the blow with a free future mythic if they do nerf or a generous amount of Jewels to buy a elite pack.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    I bought him knowing he's was broken and expecting he'd be getting changed later, however I still expect after his change he'll still be incredibly powerful so I'm currently not worried.

    That said I do think it's fair to compensate those who did purchase him for this fast change. A free masterpiece pack would be my preferred solution.
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    wereotter wrote:
    A free masterpiece pack would be my preferred solution.

    I second the motion!
  • AresOmega
    AresOmega Posts: 75 Match Maker
    wereotter wrote:
    A free masterpiece pack would be my preferred solution.

    I third that motion!
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor
    Abbot_Nalaar wrote:
    Steeme wrote:
    Kiora and Ajani were both nerfed post-purchase. I don't recall anything drastic happening after that. If players are going to leave, it has nothing to do with Baral. That's just their way of drumming up drama.

    Both kiora and ajani were purchasable with crystals. Baral was money only.

    1. Crystals are also a paid currency
    2. Baral will also be available for crystals through booster packs

    So you're saying that if they nerf Baral before or after the general release to the public, it makes a difference? It's the same card, people paid the same amount of money for it, and it will get nerfed in the same manner. Exactly the same thing that happened with Ajani and Kiora, so I'm not sure what your counter-argument is.
  • snowmangoh
    snowmangoh Posts: 2 Just Dropped In
    Hey guys, I've been lurking in the forums forever, and finally decided to create an account, so hello all! I really don't understand all the complaints about Baral... I haven't met a Baral deck that was invincible... If I'm battling a blue PW, I assume they have Baral, or some other blue **** creature, and I plan accordingly... Plus if a deck DEPENDS on Baral to work, it's usually even easier, assuming you have the control to defend... Plus I have Hella-fun playing him as-is, lol... Just my opinion...
  • jimilinho_
    jimilinho_ Posts: 292
    snowmangoh wrote:
    Hey guys, I've been lurking in the forums forever, and finally decided to create an account, so hello all! I really don't understand all the complaints about Baral... I haven't met a Baral deck that was invincible... If I'm battling a blue PW, I assume they have Baral, or some other blue tinykitty creature, and I plan accordingly... Plus if a deck DEPENDS on Baral to work, it's usually even easier, assuming you have the control to defend... Plus I have Hella-fun playing him as-is, lol... Just my opinion...

    So the AI gets a turn 1 or 2 baral, then spends 5+ minutes cycling through the 8 3 mana or less spells in the deck. It's almost irrelevant whether you win or lose from it, there's zero enjoyment waiting for the turn to finish.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    snowmangoh wrote:
    Hey guys, I've been lurking in the forums forever, and finally decided to create an account, so hello all! I really don't understand all the complaints about Baral... I haven't met a Baral deck that was invincible... If I'm battling a blue PW, I assume they have Baral, or some other blue tinykitty creature, and I plan accordingly... Plus if a deck DEPENDS on Baral to work, it's usually even easier, assuming you have the control to defend... Plus I have Hella-fun playing him as-is, lol... Just my opinion...

    Once again, the emphasis shouldn't be on whether he can be beaten--any card can be beaten. Even prenerf Seasons Past and Harness.

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