The pain of the latest 12

Magic

Hello,

I am looking for some insight from people with similar situation. The latest 12 being the only 4* you can get from tokens limits the option on development. It seems like i am being forced to champion "Electra and Mr Fantastic", not who I like. Moreover the inevitable rotation renders them useless pretty quickly. So I have a big dilemma on how to focus my ISO. My situation is 24 champions including 3 out of 12 (Peggy, Wasp and Cap Marvel). But Peggy and Wasp will rotate out soon so I can't expect many levels on them.

Only two that I have max covered now are Spider-Woman and Luke Cage (both next in line of rotation, go figure). And I have two covers for SW on the vine. I don't like her (feel free to convince me she would get a run when I have others boosted). She will be out of packs after next season (so in a bit over a month) and I will never make her the favorite. If I use the ISO on her I am looking at 4-5 championing levels at best (and that provided I keep opening legendary packs). I also (literally while typing this post) got a 14th cover for Cage.

I have 250k ISO in the bank so I could champion both (maybe) with enough game play. I doubt the farm will give me something in 14 days but all depends how the covers fall. On the other hand championing SW seems like championing Fury or Invisible Woman (done just before vaulting) - a waste of ISO in the longer run. Cage will see more burn especially with the new Iron 4ist so he seems like a good choice.

So maybe I should just champion Cage with the current iso and forget about Spider Woman?

I am also strongly considering hoarding CP (currently at 70 but with almost 30 latest tokens in the bank - that's another 725 CP ). The problem is with hoarding I will not be able to cover Coulson or Medusa (and without the covers I can't champion, and I can't get them to 290+ level before they rotate out).

You see the dilemma here. It's both on ISO and CP side of things. I don't think I will be able to jump to 5* land (i will not have enough CP hoarded to grab the current 5* before Thanos is replaced by another) so maybe it's pointless to hoard?

Team_Jacob

I'm in a kind of similar situation, I just champed Wasp, Carol, Blade (and had Peggy champed). I really don't regret any of them, blade was a blast in the last PVE, and works really well with 4* cyc covered 3/5/5.

I'd champ coulson, mordo, IF, medusa, Riri if I cover them, and probably LC. I'm missing one cover on spiderwoman, and just got a usable cover for spidergwen (which brought her to 13) after selling three of her covers that were about to expire. My gut feeling is that champing them ASAP is preferable to sitting and hording.

Added to that, I just got 5* strange to 13 covers, so I've been pulling from classics, hoarding LTs, and will be looking at a long, enforced hording of LTs once I draw one more Thanos (because I'm not going to champ any 5* anytime soon).

So, 5* realm we're kind of in similar boats, I'd spend your CP on classics, try to cover max where you can, and prioritize champing the newest ones as they come. Hording LTs works, even if it's just 70-150 or so, if you drop that many on a latest release you will almost certainly cover max before it leaves the LT store, with bonus heroes and decent numbers of LTs coming in.

So, maybe horde LTs, spend CP on classics, recallibrate as you see fit?

Magic

I've decided to champion Cage and so far he is ok boosted but not blowing my mind away (maybe he needs Iron Fist, maybe Jean G is not the best partner, not sure). Spider-woman will most likely be sold for ISO as the two covers will expire in 7 days and I have only 80k ISO so far (I will get 45k from the lvl up but it's not likely I will be able to flip anybody on the farm - lvl 139 is the highest I have now).

I might hoard CP for a season or two (preferably till SW rotates out of tokens). That way I should have ISO in the bank. I have no intention of championing any of the old 4* at this point (already sold Winter Soldier cover that would become my next champion if not for the vaulting).

OneLastGambit

BlackBoltRocks wrote:

Magic wrote:

I've decided to champion Cage and so far he is ok boosted but not blowing my mind away

Not sure if you have Mr Fantastic championed, but if you do he's a great partner for Cage, especially as Reed already provides 3 Fortified tiles. Team them up with a purple-green user (if you're a rainbow completionist like me) such as Jean, X-23, or 3* Fist and have fun

Very true!


Also magic I can see your dilemma regarding current 12 and who to champ etc. As a recent example I champed Moonknight the day the new current pool was implemented (so had very little time to add to him) and in the short time he was in the pool managed to add 13 levels to him. Even if they wont be in there long the fact your odds of getting them are much higher mean that you will pull them a lot.

I champed cage 2 weeks ago and he is already higher than most of my 'old' champs for the same reason and although Wasp will move out soon I'm champing her because I have 9 wasps in my queue. The new system is not ideal but if you can keep up the potential to turbo champ them is high

Magic

I don't have MR fantastic championed (of course he is maxed covered but that is true for 95% of old 4* in my case). On the latest 12 I have now Cage (working ok with Jean and Wasp), Wasp, Peggy and Carol D. Peggy will be gone in couple of weeks. I now have 4 days to make a move on the Spider-Woman with two covers on the vine and 180K Iso in the bank (she needs roughy 370k to champion). I need 48k per day till she is out (maybe a bit less as there are still some extra hours on the timer but it's 190k in the next 100 hours). Not sure it's dooable but then again - couple of the 2k rewards from intercepts and it will be darn close.

After that I am a bit more relaxed as nobody is immediately ready for championing.
Venom is 1-5-5
Riri 1-4-4
Gwenpool 4-5-3 (closest)
Blade 3-3-3
Coulson 1-3-3 (i like him the most next to Medusa)
Medusa 5-3-3
Mordo 1-1-4
Iron fist 0-0-2

So after the SW decision is made (eighter I get the iso and I champ her or I move her to the "vaulted" non-champions list) I need to make a call on what is next.

Option 1 is opening CP classics to get more 4* covers (with the rule to open till I can champion next one) while improving the 5*.
Option 2 is hoarding to get a 2-3 5* covered. But I am far from it (32 latest legendaries and 225 CP stashed). Doesn't look great if I want to include Thanos on the list. Might have to hoard till the Hawkeye is the oldest 5* there (who knows the 5* Thor and 5* Star-lord I expect this year might be game changers).

I am more and more looking to hoarding option. I might open some packs when the millions of iso will be burning hole in my pockets Or I will use the iso to lvl max the latest 12 to get them ready to champion.

Quebbster

Magic wrote:

I don't have MR fantastic championed (of course he is maxed covered but that is true for 95% of old 4* in my case). On the latest 12 I have now Cage (working ok with Jean and Wasp), Wasp, Peggy and Carol D. Peggy will be gone in couple of weeks. I now have 4 days to make a move on the Spider-Woman with two covers on the vine and 180K Iso in the bank (she needs roughy 370k to champion). I need 48k per day till she is out (maybe a bit less as there are still some extra hours on the timer but it's 190k in the next 100 hours). Not sure it's dooable but then again - couple of the 2k rewards from intercepts and it will be darn close.

After that I am a bit more relaxed as nobody is immediately ready for championing.
Venom is 1-5-5
Riri 1-4-4
Gwenpool 4-5-3 (closest)
Blade 3-3-3
Coulson 1-3-3 (i like him the most next to Medusa)
Medusa 5-3-3
Mordo 1-1-4
Iron fist 0-0-2

So after the SW decision is made (eighter I get the iso and I champ her or I move her to the "vaulted" non-champions list) I need to make a call on what is next.

Option 1 is opening CP classics to get more 4* covers (with the rule to open till I can champion next one) while improving the 5*.
Option 2 is hoarding to get a 2-3 5* covered. But I am far from it (32 latest legendaries and 225 CP stashed). Doesn't look great if I want to include Thanos on the list. Might have to hoard till the Hawkeye is the oldest 5* there (who knows the 5* Thor and 5* Star-lord I expect this year might be game changers).

I am more and more looking to hoarding option. I might open some packs when the millions of iso will be burning hole in my pockets Or I will use the iso to lvl max the latest 12 to get them ready to champion.

48K ISO per day should be doable with Lightning rounds just around the corner. After that, I Think the best option is simply to hoard since a few Thanos covers won't help you a whole lot in the long run. It's better to save up a good hoard and try to get many covers for the current Latest crop in the long run.

OneLastGambit

Magic wrote:

I don't have MR fantastic championed (of course he is maxed covered but that is true for 95% of old 4* in my case). On the latest 12 I have now Cage (working ok with Jean and Wasp), Wasp, Peggy and Carol D. Peggy will be gone in couple of weeks. I now have 4 days to make a move on the Spider-Woman with two covers on the vine and 180K Iso in the bank (she needs roughy 370k to champion). I need 48k per day till she is out (maybe a bit less as there are still some extra hours on the timer but it's 190k in the next 100 hours). Not sure it's dooable but then again - couple of the 2k rewards from intercepts and it will be darn close.

After that I am a bit more relaxed as nobody is immediately ready for championing.
Venom is 1-5-5
Riri 1-4-4
Gwenpool 4-5-3 (closest)
Blade 3-3-3
Coulson 1-3-3 (i like him the most next to Medusa)
Medusa 5-3-3
Mordo 1-1-4
Iron fist 0-0-2

So after the SW decision is made (eighter I get the iso and I champ her or I move her to the "vaulted" non-champions list) I need to make a call on what is next.

Option 1 is opening CP classics to get more 4* covers (with the rule to open till I can champion next one) while improving the 5*.
Option 2 is hoarding to get a 2-3 5* covered. But I am far from it (32 latest legendaries and 225 CP stashed). Doesn't look great if I want to include Thanos on the list. Might have to hoard till the Hawkeye is the oldest 5* there (who knows the 5* Thor and 5* Star-lord I expect this year might be game changers).

I am more and more looking to hoarding option. I might open some packs when the millions of iso will be burning hole in my pockets Or I will use the iso to lvl max the latest 12 to get them ready to champion.

FYI I have a champed Spider-Woman and have never regretted it. Great character.

Magic

Thanks guys. I think I will follow the advice. I intend to champion SW (if I don't get enough iso from grind I will cash in some tacos). Then I will hoard for as long as I can (or I get the CP needed for 250 pulls - whatever comes first). This will slow down my progress on the latest 4* a lot but only Medusa of the ones I want is close to being maxed covered. Let's see what happens in another 2 weeks when I have iso to champion another 4*.

CT1888

I hated the bind the latest 12 was putting me in, considered hoarding, then went the other way with this, and I am now targeting the newer 4*s with a view to being in a position a couple of months down the road where I've got all but the most recent 1 or 2 champed. It means cutting my losses on weaker ones, or those that'll get cut from tokens in the next couple of months (4 Spider Woman covers in the queue for example, not going to get champed in the next fortnight), but given I was doing that previously (Elektra, Venom and Sam Wilson all stuck in limbo) it was an easy shift to make. Sure, it stings a bit opening a cover I'm likely to chop, but on the flip side covers come quickly for my champs now (Blade is at 280 after being champed a couple of weeks ago) and I've got Coulson champed and Medusa covered, which gives me shiney new toys to play with.

Magic

You didn't help CT

My Venom is 2-5-5 and one spare dying on the vine. I was thinking I should champion him. But Medusa is 5-3-3 and I will have a spare from the current PvE. So now I am looking at adding 2 covers for her and she can rock. Probably going the same route as you. I will focus on the latest I like and sell the ones I don't (i did manage to champion Spider Woman by the way). That means that if nothing happenes the Venom cover will become 1k iso. Oh well - part of the game.

OneLastGambit

It's honestly the best move you can make. Start viewing 'vaulted' covers as 1k iso rather than a wasted cover and focus your efforts on the new guys. I recently binned 3 war machine covers in order to champ Carol instead (didn't have time to do both) it stung a bit for a minute but now I'm not bothered. I have half of the latest pool champed now and some of them (spider woman and cage) are actually equal to or greater than my vaulted champs now because of how quickly their covers drop.

It was a hard thing to see at the time of vaulting but turbo champing new guys will be worth it in the long run. I expect by the time Cage rotates out he will have far surpassed any of my vaulted guys. Carol even more so.

Magic

I did exactly that. I've decided it's time to get Medusa operational. I pulled about 250-380 cp from Classics (no 5* but who cares) and I got my Medusa to 5-4-4 in the process. Also got 2 bonus 4* heroes. I will most likely have to sell 2 covers for Venom and one for Gwenpool. I will have 10 days to make a decision which one will get iso. 

Meanwhile I've got some covers for Mordo, Coulson, Iron fist and some champion levels. I think it was good usage of the CP for somebody who intends to stay in the 4* land for the foreseeable future.

smkspy

In the exact same position.

Have Peggy and Wasp champed with
Gwenpool and SW at maxed cover
Medusa and AV at 12 covers

Meanwhile have a Mr Fantastic, Falcap, and potential Maxpun dying on the vine.

Really want to champ maxpun, but it'll for one lousy champ level. Meanwhile assured to pull more of those latest 12 in the coming weeks.

CT1888

Ooh, Punisher. That's a sore one.

smkspy

CT1888 said:

Ooh, Punisher. That's a sore one.

Yep, screw it. I champed him being the last of the top 5 fours that are must have champs. I figure I'll get more use out of a 271 Maxpun than I will a 280 Gwenpool/SW anyways.

Got my tenth 4carol from the token at least.

CT1888

smkspy said:

CT1888 said:

Ooh, Punisher. That's a sore one.

Yep, screw it. I champed him being the last of the top 5 fours that are must have champs. I figure I'll get more use out of a 271 Maxpun than I will a 280 Gwenpool/SW anyways.

Got my tenth 4carol from the token at least.

Nice one, he's a beast boosted and plenty of fun. As is Gwenpool actually, and her green hits hard boosted too, and purple can be very handy if you have a cheat sheet to look back to.