Token hoard: Double Damage edition! S35 + 36

El Satanno · February 2017

Hello everyone, it's El Satanno again, hoarder extraordinaire. I went and forgot to post up the results of last season's haul, so you get a double dose this time around! Super fun times! I can't even remember what the Infinity Gem names are for seasons past (or present, for that matter) so I'm sticking with numbers. Because that makes sense, eh? My methodology hasn't changed much, so if you've been following these threads you'll know the score. So here goes!

Season XXXV
The initial hoard:

321 silver tokens
130 elite tokens
264 mixed gold tokens
3 Heroic 10-packs
22 legendary tokens (+7 special)
796 command points

The pulls:

Silver tokens (321)
Psylocke (black)
Thor (yellow)
Iron Fist (green)
Kamala Khan (purple, green)
Quicksilver (green)
Spider-Man (purple)
Luke Cage (yellow)
Mystique (purple)
Thanos (green)

2* pulls: 50 (15.5%)
3* pulls: 10 (3.1%)

Elite tokens (130)
Black Widow (purple x2)
Thanos (green, black)
Colossus (yellow, black)
Hulk (black, red)
Quicksilver (green, black x2)
Scarlet Witch (green)
Ragnarok (blue)
Kamala Khan (purple)
Black Panther (yellow x2, black)
Mystique (black)
She-Hulk (blue)
Beast (green, yellow)
Doctor Octopus (black)
Luke Cage (yellow, black)
Loki (green, purple)
Rocket & Groot (yellow x2)
Captain Marvel (yellow, black)
Iron Man (red)
Hood (blue)
Gamora (red)
Magneto (blue)
Sentry (yellow)

3* pulls: 32 (26.9%)

Heroic gold tokens (170)
Ant-Man (blue, purple)
Magneto (yellow, blue)
Gwenpool (black)
Captain America (blue x2)
Colossus (yellow)
Star-Lord (yellow, red)
Sentry (red x2)
Scarlet Witch (purple)
Cyclops (blue)
Black Panther (yellow)
Hulkbuster (blue)
Rulk (purple)
Luke Cage (black)
X-Force Wolverine (green)
Cyclops (red, black)
Miles Morales (red)
Invincible Warrior (yellow)
Rocket & Groot (yellow)
Kamala Khan (yellow x2, purple)
Hood (blue)
Psylocke (black, blue)
Iron Man (red)
Squirrel Girl (yellow, purple)
Blade (purple)
Storm (yellow, black, green)
Black Widow (green)
Spider-Gwen (purple)
Thanos (green)
Totally Adequate Hulk (black)
Daredevil (blue)
Beast (blue)
Daken (black)
Elektra's Worthless-Except-for-Kaecilius **** (purple)
Doctor Octopus (blue)
Doctor Doom (blue)
Iceman (blue)
Spider-Man (purple)
Nick Fury (yellow)
Captain Marvel (red)
War Machine (blue)
Mystique (black)
Deadpool (purple)
Patch (yellow)
Hulk (red)

3* pulls: 37 (21.7%)
4* pulls: 17 (10%)

Heroic 10-packs (3)
Daken (blue), Blade (black), Iron Fist (purple)
Kingpin (yellow), Storm (green), Doctor Doom (blue), Daken (purple), Peggy Carter (blue), Captain Marvel (black)
Patch (green)

3* pulls: 8 (26.6%)
4* pulls: 2 (6.6%)

Deadpool vs. MPQ (3)
Human Torch (green)
Magneto (blue)

The Greatest Event That Should Be Run All the Time (aka Combined Arms) (3)
Luke Cage (yellow)

Crash of the Mad Titan (10, vault)
Falcon (blue)
Sentry (red)

Galactus Hungers (5)
Daredevil (blue)
Patch (green)
Storm (green)

High Stakes (3)
Medusa (purple)

Webslinger (3)
Squirrel Girl (purple)

Behold Thanos (3)
Deadpool (red)
Magneto (red)

The Hulk (7, vault)
Doctor Strange (purple)
Moon Knight (black)

Made Man (3)
Doctor Octopus (blue)
Cyclops (black)

First Avenger (3)
Bullseye (purple)

Dark Avengers: Heroic (5, vault)
Human Torch (green)
Peggy Carter (red)

Naughty and Nice (7, vault)
Legendary token

Iso-8 Brotherhood (8, vault)
Vision (yellow)

3* pulls: 16 (16.8%)
4* pulls: 5 (5.2%)

Purple Reign (7)
Spider-Woman (purple)
Faptain (yellow)
Thanos (green x2, purple)
Iceman (green)
Star-Lord (purple)

Legendary tokens (31) + 874 command points (34 Latest pulls)
Cyclops (blue, red x3, yellow)
War Machine (green, red)
Thanos (black, purple x3, green)
Agent Venom (black, yellow, red x3)
Rulk (green)
Star-Lord (purple, red)
Thing (red x3)
Punisher (green x2)
Moon Knight (black x2)
Professor X (yellow)
Quake (blue x2, green x4, yellow)
Ant-Man (purple x2)
Spider-Woman (black, purple)
Miles Morales (red)
X-23 (red x2, purple)
Peggy Carter (yellow)
Ghost Rider (red)
Faptain (red, yellow)
Luke Cage (yellow)
Nick Fury (blue)
Black Widow (purple x3, black, red)
Gwenpool (green)
Doctor Strange (yellow, blue)
Blade (green, red, black x2)
Mr. Not As Sucktastic (blue)
Elektra's Worthless-Except-for-Kaecilius **** (purple)
Kingpin (yellow)
Carnage (green x2)
X-Force Wolverine (yellow, green)
Venom (black)
Jean Grey (purple x2)
The No-Futzer (black, purple)
Wasp (black x2)
Iceman (purple)
Spider-Gwen (red)
Nova (red)

5* pulls: 12 (16.2%)

The following events yielded nothing good:
Nefarious Foes (3)
Stay on Target (3)
Heavy Metal (3)
The Hunt (6, vault)
Most Wanted (3)
Best Friends Forever (3)
Blind Justice (3)
Unstable Iso-8 (4, vault)
Juggernaut: Heroic (4, vault)

Total Iso from covers sales and champion rewards (more or less): 413,860 (I'm pretty sure this figure is stupid and I neglected to calculate rebuilding 2* characters or something.)
5* pull rate: 16.2%

Season XXXVI
The initial hoard:

262 silver tokens
166 elite tokens
3 Heroic 10-packs
292 mixed gold tokens
25 Legendary tokens (+4 special)
861 command points

The pulls:

Silver tokens (262)
Patch (red)
Cyclops (black)
Captain Marvel (yellow)
Beast (blue)
Rocket & Groot (blue)
Mystique (blue)

2* pulls: 49 (18.7%)
3* pulls: 6 (2.2%)

Elite tokens (166)
Bullseye (green, black)
Iron Fist (green)
Quicksilver (green, black, blue)
Captain Marvel (yellow x2)
Falcon (yellow, blue)
Beast (yellow x2)
Gamora (red)
Psylocke (red, black x2, blue)
Squirrel Girl (green, yellow)
Patch (yellow)
Hood (yellow, blue)
Black Panther (yellow, black)
Mystique (purple)
Cyclops (red)
Rocket & Groot (green, blue)
Storm (black, green)
Punisher (black)
Scarlet Witch (purple)
Thor (green, yellow, red)
Deadpool (purple, red)
Black Widow (purple)
She-Hulk (blue)
Doctor Octopus (blue)
Thanos (black)
Human Torch (red)
Doctor Doom (purple)
Captain America (blue)

3* pulls: 44 (26.5%)

Heroic gold tokens (168)
Venom (yellow, black)
Scarlet Witch (green)
Black Panther (yellow)
Vision (yellow x2)
Squirrel Girl (purple)
Iron Fist (green x2)
Bullseye (green)
Deadpool (purple)
Kingpin (yellow)
Thanos (black)
Black Widow (red x3)
Colossus (yellow, black x2)
Punisher (black, red)
Wasp (yellow)
Carnage (red)
Luke Cage (red)
Nick Fury (yellow, purple)
Ragnarok (blue, green)
Sentry (yellow)
Thor (blue)
Falcon (blue, purple)
X-Force Deadpool (purple)
Thor (red)
Patch (yellow)
Blade (green)
Hood (black, yellow, blue)
Jean Grey (purple)
Cyclops (red)
Deadpool (red)
Rocket & Groot (blue, green)
Magneto (blue)
Gamora (green)
Daredevil (red)
Quicksilver (black)
Thanos (black)
Captain America (yellow)

3* pulls: 39 (23.2%)
4* pulls: 11 (6.5%)

Heroic 10-packs (3)
Spider-Man (yellow), Thor (yellow), Falcon (purple), Luke Cage (black), Winter Soldier (purple)
Magneto (red), Bullseye (green)
Black Widow (red), Black Panther (black), Spider-Man (blue), Captain America (blue)

3* pulls: 10 (33.3%)
4* pulls: 1 (3.3%)

Too Many Sorcerors (3)
Mordo (blue)

Unstable Iso-8 (6)
Daken (purple)

Thick as Thieves (3)
Squirrel Girl (purple)
Iron Fist (purple)

Venom Bomb (5)
Doctor Octopus (blue)
Hood (black)

Weapon Tex-Mex (5)
She-Hulk (red)
Doctor Doom (purple)

Fly-Fight-Win (5)
Human Torch (black)

Magnetic Mayhem (5)
Black Panther (black)
Punisher (red)
Bullseye (black)

Starfall (5)
Wasp (black)

Category-5 (5)
Quicksilver (blue)
Rocket & Groot (yellow)
Squirrel Girl (yellow)

God of Lies (5)
Loki (black)

Fight and Flight (7)
Daken (black)
Storm (black)
Hulk (black)
Beast (yellow)

Flight Test (5)
Storm (yellow)
Loki (green)

The Gauntlet (3, vault)
Iron Fist (purple)

The Hunt (4, vault)
Luke Cage (red)

Strange Sights (25, vault)
Thanos (green)
Beast (yellow)
Captain America (red)
Mordo (blue)
Rulk (purple)
Spider-Man (blue)
Loki (purple)
Iron Man (blue)

Team Cap (6, vault)
Legendary token

Webbed Wonder (7, vault)
Punisher (black)

Team Iron Man (6, vault)
Beast (blue)

PvP Matchmaking (6, vault)
Legendary token
Thor (green)
Scarlet Witch (green)
Hulk (black)

Hearts of Darkness (7, vault)
Patch (yellow)

Meet Rocket & Groot (6, vault)
Sentry (green)
Colossus (red)
Rocket & Groot (yellow)

3* pulls: 37 (29.8%)
4* pulls: 6 (4.8%)

Hail to the King (4)
Blade (red)
Medusa (red)
Jean Grey (green)
Venom (black)

Legendary tokens (46) + 1134 command points (45 pulls)
Riri Williams (green x3, red)
Invincible Warrior (blue, green)
Punisher (green x3, black)
Miles Morales (purple, yellow, red)
Totally Adequate Hulk (black, blue)
Blade (red x2, black x2)
The No-Futzer (purple x2, blue, black)
Jean Grey (purple x2, green x2)
Thanos (purple x2, green)
Spider-Gwen (yellow)
Black Widow (purple, black, red)
Venom (yellow, green, black)
Rulk (red x2)
Spider-Woman (red, black)
Hulkbuster (black)
Ghost Rider (red x2)
Thing (yellow, green)
Luke Cage (red, black, yellow x2)
Ant-Man (blue x2)
Iceman (blue)
Kingpin (yellow)
Agent Venom (black)
Professor X (purple)
Star-Lord (red x2, yellow)
X-23 (purple x2)
Gwenpool (purple x2, black x2, green)
X-Force Deadpool (red, purple x2)
Moon Knight (purple)
Mr Not-as-Sucktastic (black)
Cyclops (red, blue)
Quake (green)
Peggy Carter (red, yellow)
Wasp (black)
Winter Soldier (purple, blue, red)
Carol Danvers (black, green)
X-Force Wolverine (black)
Elektra's Worthless-Except-for-Kaecilius **** (red x2)
Spider-Gwen (red)
Medusa (red, purple)
Drax (purple)

5* pulls: 6 (6.5%)

*Special note: I pulled 294 taco tokens and got a buttload of garbage trying to get the decent rewards.

Total Iso from cover sales and champion rewards: 1,887,455
5* pull rate: 6.5%

Observations and (totally subjective) conclusions:

SIX POINT FIVE PERCENT. ARE YOU KIDDING. If I hadn't pulled enough to champ my Widow, I'd probably be on the verge of quitting right now. Yes, yes, I know "random pulls" bla bla bla, but you know what? It **** SUCKS. Suck suck suck. Argh!
While I'm at it, legendary pulls suck horrible ****, too. Like last season, I hoarded all the good stuff and went all-in for Latest because that's the only way you can get slightly better than a snowball's chance in hell of getting a 5* character into usable shape. Usable shape meaning 13 covers, that is. You know and I know that Logan, Black Bolt and Thanos (for totally different reasons) are pretty much the only 5* characters that have any use with fewer than that. Since I got Thanos up to 11 this time, I'm going to stick with that until he is ready to leave Latest and then I'm done with Latest. "But Satanno, didn't you just point out that Classics are basically Not Gonna Happen Town?" Why yes, yes I did. However an 11-cover Latest character is functionally identical to a 0-cover character, which is precisely what I ended up with after the last season. Effectively, I made zero progress with my roster. Outside of the current crop of Latest characters, I have the original three (Logan, Phoenix, Surfer) champed, and the rest with almost nothing. Iron Man is closest to decent at 8 covers, Bolt at 7, and the rest 4 or less. It's stupid to give up 25% of my pulls in the practically futile effort of getting a new character to 13 in one go. So I'm giving Latest the finger, and swallowing the inevitable 6th covers I'll pull sooner or later. I'd rather take that chance against not improving the champs I have or actually building my 5* lineup. Make no mistake, though: It all sucks. -end rant-
On a positive note, I've started my first replacement 3* character in Beast. Makes me feel like a big boy! I reckon I don't want to burn 3* covers trying to get the replacement to 13, so I started when he hit 257 and I nabbed that LT. I've got three more just about ready for the same treatment. It's kinda exciting.
For the first time ever, I'm not racing any 4* covers against champing. I had to ditch a few 6th covers, but whatever. They're just LT/CP fountains anyway. But it does feel nice to have use for just about every cover I pull. Yay! Just goes to show that champing everyone you can pays off in the long run.
Similarly, having almost every character championed in my roster means I had enough Iso on hand to champ Widow from 255, champ Gwenpool and Wasp from 70, champ 4 of my 2* characters to keep the farm going, and still walk away with a quarter million in the bank. That, my friends, is pretty pimp.

And so once more, I will close with my current major gripe. It's late, though, and I'm tired, so I'll be concise. Like I haven't been above.

The 5* tier sucks. Top to bottom sucks. There is no reason the positive things going on at the tier (creative power sets, good balancing, etc.) need to exist higher than what has been established at the 4* level. Any good is being beaten to death by the horror of acquisition and the misery of choking your lineup choices exclusively to those 5* characters in all modes of play. Suck suck suck. I hate the 5* tier.

dr tinykittylove · February 2017

I'm a collector. I figure I'm in this for the long haul, and I will get a lot more value out of building whatever comes my way, including Wasp and Elektra and Fantastic. Also because I feel thoroughly cheated when I pay the 5cp surcharge on Latest and get another Elektra.

5*s meh. I collect everything because I'm a completionist and not having say Yelena on my roster distresses me in an ineffable way. But I find the way they have taken over the game and people's minds (my own included)... upsetting. I liked it better when we were all playing 4*s on a more or less level playing field.

Still opening only Classics and letting the covers fall where they will. It might be upsetting to get a dupe 5* at first, but if you think about it it's still 20cp and we trash 4* covers without qualms all the time.

(And yet I hang on to all my dupe covers instead of selling them, because of reasons.

ClydeFrog76 · February 2017

It never ceases to amaze me how long people must spend typing up these posts.

Vhailorx · February 2017

So just to clarify satanno, you like a some (or many?) of the actual characters at the 5* tier. But you hate the 5* experience overall because of the dueling drawbacks of RNG-only acquisition and brutal 5* scaling?

And clyde, c'mon. At least try to contribute something to the thread or don't post at all. . .

ClydeFrog76 · February 2017

Sure, sorry...I completely agree with Satanno's opinion regarding 5* acquisition being completely reliant on RNG. It really DOES **** suck.

fmftint · February 2017

RNG acquisition wouldn't be terrible IF there were some safeguards in place. But going 6% on 2 seasons worth of pulls is unreasonable

Borstock · February 2017

6.5 percent is lousy luck, but not unreasonable. It's well within the range of possibilities. Looks to me like you did fine.

IamTheBiggs · February 2017

Just because I like to annoy ElSat, here is a link to my post-season 36 token opening video.

https://youtu.be/gnjFuNL0LsM

Take THAT, ElSat!

nigelregal · February 2017

To be fair over 2 seasons his average pull rate was 11.5%

dr tinykittylove · February 2017

IamTheBiggs wrote:

Just because I like to annoy ElSat, here is a link to my post-season 36 token opening video.

https://youtu.be/gnjFuNL0LsM

Take THAT, ElSat!

I skipped to the part with the LTs, expecting that you were rubbing his nose in how much purple you got, but wow that was upsetting to watch.

Polares · February 2017

Sorry to hear your luck is as bad as always. At least you managed to champ BW, in my own experience I can say it makes a big difference when you get your 4th and 5th champed 5.

fmftint wrote:

RNG acquisition wouldn't be terrible IF there were some safeguards in place. But going 6% on 2 seasons worth of pulls is unreasonable

Well, truth to be told, it was 6.5% one season, the other he got 16.2%, which is better than the advertised odds.

One season is not enough to really see if someone is being lucky or not. In ElSatanno's case, he is most of the time under the 15% pulling ratio, so I think he is entitled to complain about it, but it is always better to consider longer periods of time.

As an example, my all time pull ratio is 11% (since the ratio raised to 15%). I am getting close to the magical number of 750 tokens, so my question is, when is my pull ratio going to converge to 15%? 1000 is a number that should be big enough to be closer to the advertised ratio, but I am way below it. (Yeah I know the answer is never...

)

PS: ElSatanno, do you keep your all time numbers for LTs? I think adding this info to your posts would make them even more interesting!

El Satanno · February 2017

I don't check the forum for a couple days, so of course the one thing I post gets some attention... I feel so loved.

ClydeFrog76 wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me how long people must spend typing up these posts.

Yeah, I'm lame. But some people enjoy it.

Vhailorx wrote:

So just to clarify satanno, you like a some (or many?) of the actual characters at the 5* tier. But you hate the 5* experience overall because of the dueling drawbacks of RNG-only acquisition and brutal 5* scaling?

Very much the latter: My discontent is overwhelmingly fed by acquisition and MMR/scaling woes. I'd be less disgruntled if match and power damage wasn't so utrageously lopsided, you know. A gradual curve instead of the obnoxious spike we have currently would do wonders. Like not making the 4* tier obsolete in one shot. I'm happy that they seem to be experimenting with ideas beyond "collect AP, do damage/create tiles" in the 5* tier. Just that it doesn't need to be a whole new over-powered tier.

Borstock wrote:

6.5 percent is lousy luck, but not unreasonable. It's well within the range of possibilities. Looks to me like you did fine.

0% and 100% are also within the range of possibility, but that doesn't advance the dialogue at all, does it? As a player/customer, the experience is heavily negatively impacted by that, though. Bear in mind that I'm talking about an entire season's worth of progress that is being weighed. I don't know what level you play at, but it's not really all that relevant. Just try this simple thought experiment: Play the game for an average of 3 hours a day, at the highest level of Versus competition, for all 10 events in a season. Take all the rewards you accrue, and throw them out. How do you feel? Because that's what I and many others feel when things like this happen. It's more an indictment of the 5* tier than anything else: nothing else matters.

nigelregal wrote:

To be fair over 2 seasons his average pull rate was 11.5%

Polares wrote:

Sorry to hear your luck is as bad as always. At least you managed to champ BW, in my own experience I can say it makes a big difference when you get your 4th and 5th champed 5.

fmftint wrote:

ElSatanno, do you keep your all time numbers for LTs? I think adding this info to your posts would make them even more interesting!

I can get all this in one go. Here are the links for every hoard I've done: And here are the distilled Legendary numbers:

XIX: 2/14 (14.2%)
XX: 0/2* (0%)
XXII: 1/34 (2%) 8/44 (18%)
XXIII: 2/43 (4%)
XXIV: 8/32 (25%)
XXV: 3/34 (8.8%)
XXVI: 5/38 (13.1%)
XXVII: 4/31 (12.9%) *rates up to 15% after this season
XXVIII: 11/65 (16.9%)
XXIX: 3/34 (8.8%)
XXX: 4/59 (6.7%)
XXXI: 4/30 (3.3%)
XXXII: 4/36 (11.1%)
XXXIII/XXXIV: 18/157 (11.4%)
XXXV: 12/65 (18.4%)
XXXVI: 6/91 (6.5%)

A couple caveats to this list above:

Between season XX and XXII (I have no idea what happened to season XXI) I was pulling all my LT as they came up; hence only 2. I have no idea what I may or may not have pulled in that period of time.
As noted, after season XXVII they bumped the pull rate to 15%.
In my original post for season XXXV, I mistakenly lumped the pulls from the special LTs (Purple Reign) into the overall rate. That has been corrected in the list immediately above.

That said, during the 10% days my average pull rate was 10.9%: 25 for 228 pulls. At the 15% rate, my pull rate is 62/537 (11.5%). I guess it's not that bad, considered over nine seasons. However a very important consideration is the value of any individual pull. That is, when you pull for one of three characters at 10% like in the early days, each individual pull is far more valuable than a stray cover for one of a dozen like now. My big takeaway here is that the 5* tier sucks.

WEBGAS · February 2017

My experience has been quite good instead....also if with a bittersweet taste.
I had 20 LT and 1250

stockpiled, waiting for Black Panther to be added, so yesterday was my big day.
During 70 pulls of latest legendary I got :

and

I know that I'm not allowed to complain because 13 5

over 70 pulls is a 18,57 % ratio much more than what other players got,
but 6

SIX?

Having been forced to sell a 5

cover has left me with a bitter taste on my glorious day

Bowgentle · February 2017

WEBGAS wrote:

My experience has been quite good instead....also if with a bittersweet taste.
I had 20 LT and 1250 stockpiled, waiting for Black Panther to be added, so yesterday was my big day.
During 70 pulls of latest legendary I got :

and

I know that I'm not allowed to complain because 13 5 over 70 pulls is a 18,57 % ratio much more than what other players got,
but 6 SIX?
Having been forced to sell a 5 cover has left me with a bitter taste on my glorious day

Why did you sell that cover?
Customer service would have swapped it for a different colour.

WEBGAS · February 2017

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Why did you sell that cover?
Customer service would have swapped it for a different colour.[/quote]

i haven't sold it yet...I submitted a ticket to CS, but I don't think they will allow me to change the colour so I will wait until the last day....thank you for the advice

Quebbster · February 2017

WEBGAS wrote:

Bowgentle wrote:

Why did you sell that cover?
Customer service would have swapped it for a different colour.

i haven't sold it yet...I submitted a ticket to CS, but I don't think they will allow me to change the colour so I will wait until the last day....thank you for the advice

Why wouldn't they allow it? As I understand it, once they reply they'll tell you to sell off a duplicate cover, then they give you a cover in Another color.

WEBGAS · February 2017

Quebbster wrote:

WEBGAS wrote:

Bowgentle wrote:

Why did you sell that cover?
Customer service would have swapped it for a different colour.

i haven't sold it yet...I submitted a ticket to CS, but I don't think they will allow me to change the colour so I will wait until the last day....thank you for the advice

Why wouldn't they allow it? As I understand it, once they reply they'll tell you to sell off a duplicate cover, then they give you a cover in Another color.

Hope you two are right my friends

nothing is lost after all

Dayv · February 2017

Why hoard vault tokens? Especially when you have as many as you had for Strange Sights, don't you lose all the benefits of a vault (odds improving as bad pulls get out of the way) by pulling them when the vault has expired?

JablesMc · February 2017

DayvBang wrote:

Why hoard vault tokens? Especially when you have as many as you had for Strange Sights, don't you lose all the benefits of a vault (odds improving as bad pulls get out of the way) by pulling them when the vault has expired?

yes, but from what I hear, the benefits will come back the next time the vault reopens for the next run of that event.

El Satanno · February 2017

DayvBang wrote:

Why hoard vault tokens? Especially when you have as many as you had for Strange Sights, don't you lose all the benefits of a vault (odds improving as bad pulls get out of the way) by pulling them when the vault has expired?

Force of habit? Tradition? I couldn't tell you. Perhaps the only reasonable...uhh...reason is that there is the miniscule chance that I might pull more than one LT that way. I think that might have happened to me once in a previous hoard. I'd have to go back and look. Anyway, the short answer is I'm dumb.

peteer01 · February 2017

El Satanno wrote:

The 5* tier sucks. Top to bottom sucks. There is no reason the positive things going on at the tier (creative power sets, good balancing, etc.) need to exist higher than what has been established at the 4* level. Any good is being beaten to death by the horror of acquisition and the misery of choking your lineup choices exclusively to those 5* characters in all modes of play. Suck suck suck. I hate the 5* tier.

This. I have approximately 120 characters. It would be awesome to have a system that let me actively choose from even the best quarter of them.

I don't have the silver bullet solution, but have different levels of boosted characters. Maybe some characters are temporarily significantly boosted short term (12h? 24?), while others get a less significant month long boost? Maybe boost the least used characters of each tier so we see more variety? Maybe provide bonus starting AP for using less popular characters?

Creative power sets are awesome, but the game would benefit if more characters were fun (read: remotely competitive) and diversity in rosters played increased.

Token hoard: Double Damage edition! S35 + 36

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