Where are the extra swaps coming from?

Steeme

I've noticed on more than one occasion the AI is getting "Extra Swap" where I was not expecting it to. No match-5's, no double-match-3's, and no Gonti's Aether Heart.

So where do the extra swaps come from?

This is just compounding to the failure of the event. Not only are the matchups highly overtuned, where the AI can consistently dump his entire library on a couple of chain matches due to grossly overpowered mana gains, but I get to watch in complete helplessness as after the AI dumps 50 mana worth of cards on a single turn, the screen then reads "Extra Swap" where there was no extra swap due.

At first I thought I just missed something. Then it happened again. Then it happened again. Then it happened again. Scattered across different matches, mind you, but it is happening enough for me to take notice. I can usually tell when the AI matches enough to get another turn before the animations have stopped.

Anyone else notice this?


Edit Feb 14:

Given the lack of corroboration, I must not have been paying attention. Perhaps a 4-swap took out a column, hitting 3 scattered energized gems and triggered the Aether Heart, in other situations perhaps it was the lag in animations made it seem like a swap wasn't due. Either way, apologies for the apparent "cry" post, I honestly thought there may be an issue, similar to how Aetherworks Marvel fills your opponents hand sometimes.

Astralwind

It's either the cascades that landed which matched more than 5, or it's the new gonti's heart aether.

Steeme

Astralwind wrote:

It's either the cascades that landed which matched more than 5, or it's the new gonti's heart aether.

In case you missed the first line of my post:

Steeme wrote:

I've noticed on more than one occasion the AI is getting "Extra Swap" where I was not expecting it to. No match-5's, no double-match-3's, and no Gonti's Aether Heart.

Astralwind

Oops my bad.
I haven't encountered these problems yet. Where did you get those? From the event?
I can keep a lookout for it if I can encounter it.

Mainloop25

Do you have a video screen capture app? Something like Mobizen? If it's happening that often, you should be able to get some sort of evidence of it.

GoldenTalon

"Steeme wrote:
I've noticed on more than one occasion the AI is getting "Extra Swap" where I was not expecting it to. No match-5's, no double-match-3's, and no Gonti's Aether Heart."

This is where the upcoming battle log feature would be really useful. Unfortunately I've not noticed extra swaps occurring without those conditions.

madwren

A lot of times, it will appear as if they're getting an extra swap because of gem changers triggering cascades on their upkeep, prior to their actual gem swap.

hawkyh1

I just had this happen to me versus koth. no supports
on the board. koth uses his 1st ability. then matches 3
of my colour(white). gets an extra turn and then
matches red. in the log it shows up as white 4 pw 1
mana gain extra swap.

HH

Eglyntine

I have run into this several times with Koth and Nyssa both. And they did not have any supports or cards that were giving them special swaps. Koth actually displayed the words 4 extra swaps. I have had it happen multiple times during Quickbattles. I thought I was just going crazy so unfortunately I am glad to see I am not the only one this is happening to atm.

octal9

Eglyntine wrote:

Koth actually displayed the words 4 extra swaps.

only possible if they have https://mtgpq.info/cards/GontisAetherHeart on the board.

Eglyntine

octal9 wrote:

Eglyntine wrote:

Koth actually displayed the words 4 extra swaps.

only possible if they have https://mtgpq.info/cards/GontisAetherHeart on the board.

If he had that card on the board then it would not be a bug. It would be "functioning as expected". Thus why I mentioned it under the BUG forum. Thank you.

octal9

Eglyntine wrote:

If he had that card on the board then it would not be a bug. It would be "functioning as expected". Thus why I mentioned it under the BUG forum. Thank you.

I know why and where you posted. I'm saying your report is likely invalid as I and many others have never heard a hint of "x extra swaps" without GAH on the board.

Its Occam's Razor: it's far more likely that you did not see the support than it is that you're the only person in the community to see this bug. Bug reports really need some proof with them, otherwise they are not helpful.

hawkyh1

octal9 wrote:

Eglyntine wrote:

If he had that card on the board then it would not be a bug. It would be "functioning as expected". Thus why I mentioned it under the BUG forum. Thank you.

I know why and where you posted. I'm saying your report is likely invalid as I and many others have never heard a hint of "x extra swaps" without GAH on the board.

Its Occam's Razor: it's far more likely that you did not see the support than it is that you're the only person in the community to see this bug. Bug reports really need some proof with them, otherwise they are not helpful.

I didn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes.
it's not 'x extra swaps' as you can get with a gonti
heart cascade. it's just one regular match 3 swap
and then an extra swap for another match 3 swap.
why would koth choose a white match 3 over a
red match 3? I noticed it because I was eyeing my
match 3 after koth's 1st ability had settled, knowing
that he'd rather take the red match 3 on the other
side of the board and that it won't affect my whites.

HH

julianus

octal9 wrote:

Eglyntine wrote:

If he had that card on the board then it would not be a bug. It would be "functioning as expected". Thus why I mentioned it under the BUG forum. Thank you.

I know why and where you posted. I'm saying your report is likely invalid as I and many others have never heard a hint of "x extra swaps" without GAH on the board.

Its Occam's Razor: it's far more likely that you did not see the support than it is that you're the only person in the community to see this bug. Bug reports really need some proof with them, otherwise they are not helpful.

He's not the only one, though. I reported something similar to this a few months ago, after Gonti's had been announced but before it had actually entered the game. A single match 3 and then an "Extra Swap!" message, and there was no Gonti's Heart on the board.

Admittedly, I haven't seen this again. But I can absolutely confirm that it happened on that one occasion.

octal9

julianus wrote:

A single match 3 and then an "Extra Swap!" message, and there was no Gonti's Heart on the board.

a single match 3 that leads to a match 5 falling results in an extra turn; are you sure that didn't happen?

There may be a bug here but that still doesn't line up with the above "x extra swaps" tale.

julianus

octal9 wrote:

julianus wrote:

A single match 3 and then an "Extra Swap!" message, and there was no Gonti's Heart on the board.

a single match 3 that leads to a match 5 falling results in an extra turn; are you sure that didn't happen?

There may be a bug here but that still doesn't line up with the above "x extra swaps" tale.

Yes, I am sure that is not what happened.

And while I was only subjected to one extra swap, I don't find it hard to believe that a bug could sometimes lead to one extra and sometimes to "x extra" swaps.

Eglyntine

I have had this happen a couple of times now. The first time it happened I thought maybe he had the support on the board but it got landfall'd off during the ridiculous landfall session he was in but after it happened again and again I was sure what was happening was not because of that support.

Just because you have not seen this happen does not mean it's not happening to other ppl.

Now with that said, I will say that I have not seen this happen since the maintenance last Monday so perhaps it is fixed.

Steeme

Strange, I had given up on this ages ago since there was no corroboration.  Now that we're in the new forums I get a notification showing that there's been activity

Anyways, I have spotted some abnormal behaviour, maybe an extra swap here or there, but always attributed it to me just not paying attention.  There is likely some illusive defect in the code under certain conditions.  It doesn't really happen too often though.

Eglyntine

It was happening quite a bit for a while there but like I mentioned, I can honestly say I have not seen it happen since the Maintenance. Hopefully it is fixed. Now the automatic AI investigate issue is the one irritating the biscuits out of me.

Volrak

Here's a possibility.

GAH is in play, and AI gets a cascade matching 3 energy twice (or a match 5, plus 3 energy once), giving them 2 extra turns.  At this point, if the AI makes a simple 3-swap, without matching 3 energy, the result will be the "1 extra swap" message and one further turn.  This will happen even if GAH is no longer on the board, due to being destroyed in the cascade or shields reduced to 0 from triggering.

Could this be what some people were seeing?