Help! Urgently need CP to champ 4*.

kyo28

Here's the situation:

Currently I have a 4 Thor covered 2/5/5. I open a Heroic Token en get another cover for her, but a duplicate of one of the ones I already have 5 of. I have enough ISO8 to champ her.

My idea is to use CP to get that last cover, get her to 3/5/5, champ her and use the extra cover I have on her as a champed character.

The problem: I lack the 120CP needed. I'm at 33 CP, mostly a PVE player and the 4 Thor cover expires in 13 days.

Is there any way I can get the necessary CP in time to champ her?
The calculation I have made myself goes a follows:
* PVE full progression @ lvl 8 = 25 CP. With 3 events in 13 days that would be 25 x 3 = 75 CP
* CP earned from clearing nodes : there are 2 nodes with 1 CP reward per sub. Taking into account some 2-days subs, I would say I can get 10 times 2 nodes with 1 CP; that would be 1 x 2 x 10 = 20 CP

So far I get 33 + 75 +20 = 128 CP. That should barely be enough, provided the PVE's we get the coming days are 3-4 day events max. If there is one 7-day event in there, I'm screwed.

Am I missing other ways to quickly increase my CP yield so I can champ her? I can get CP from further getting covers for my 3 champs, but there's no way I can control that. Any other suggestions or ideas?

Histamiel

You could also play the various PvP events, there is some CP (I think 10) for reaching 575 points. There are also 15 for reaching 1200.
The next season should start soon.

Bowgentle

If you're _really_ desparate, you can always do a buy club.

140 CP for buying a Stark.

Quebbster

Sneak peek thread says next PvE is Unstable ISO, a 4 day event. It should be followed by Another Three-day event, so the coming 10 Days should be good at least. Chances are high for a 7 day PvE after that though.
By the way, the 48 hour subs give out twice as many CP as 24 hour subs, so you can just assume 2 CP/day from PvE nodes.
Are you Close to any CP champion rewards? That's a pretty good source too, though not very reliable.

Magic

Look at your math - you are fine if you want to spend the CP on her cover. In two weeks you get 28 just by going 4 clears in PvE (there are two awarded on two day subs not one). With most of events being 3-4 day you are looking at a 100 extra from the progression and even if there is 7-day event you will be fine. And over that time frame - another 40 form PvP (575). Plus you might get some from championing rewards and maybe from Intercepts. And you can try sniping the PvP bracktes to get better placement (I wouldn't - getting 10 on progression is better). Overall - no stress.

Another question is should you even do it? How many 4* champions you have? How many maxed covered 4* you have? How is your 5* game?

Thoress, as fine as she is (boosted) might not be worth to waste 6 classical pulls on her. You have to accept the fact that you will be selling 4* covers while you build up ISO to champion them or wait for the covers to fall - it is inevitable.

Anyway - the place for this discussion is in the Help forum

Natsufan01

Magic wrote:

Another question is should you even do it? How many 4* champions you have? How many maxed covered 4* you have? How is your 5* game?

Thoress, as fine as she is (boosted) might not be worth to waste 6 classical pulls on her.

Roster in the sig, no champed 4s, very low covers on 5s.

I disagree about 4hor. Even unboosted she is great for climbing. You have to pair her with IM40, but she hits hard and her stun keeps the other team in check well. If the OP doesn't regularly pvp, they'll find it much easier to do so with a champed 4hor. Getting to 575 is doable with a 3* roster but becomes a breeze with 4hor, reaching 800 consistently will become much more likely and 900 possible with her boosted, but difficult. The amount of rewards gained outweighs the loss of 6 classic pulls.

Another thing to look at for cp gain is daily rewards. What day are you on? Do you have cp coming up soon?

Huntah86

This is surprisingly easy to do (Ive done it a few times recently). You should be able to get about 85 CP a week just from progressions. Rough numbers here but in a week lets say theres 2 PVEs, between progression and clears thats roughly 64 CP there and if you just reach 575 in PVP and lets say theres only 2 PVPs that week then theres another 20 CP. Add in possible intercept and champ rewards and you should get the CP with time to spare. Good luck!

kyo28

Thanks for all the great feedback here! I'll focus on PVE progression and add PVP progression to 575, so that way I should be safe.

Whether or not I should champ her is a different question but the way I look at it is I have a lot of 4 s with 10-13 covers (Antman and IW are now at 13 covers each) and only enough ISO to champ one. I purposely don't pull any LT or CT for fear of getting too many 4 covers I need to sell. To me, that 1,000 ISO is less worth than adding the cover to a champed 4 . I just happened to have gotten that 4 Thor cover due to Heroic Token pulls, that's all.

So my basic idea is to champ FemThor and then keep slowly rebuilding my ISO. Once I have enough to champ another 4 , I might pull some LT or CT's but not before that. And in the mean time, FemThor will help me in PVP.

That's my basic strategy for now to move from 3 land to 4 land.

Anyway, thanks for all the advice!

Magic

She will help you a bit in PvP (and a lot when boosted) but she might hurt your PvE. You will could end up playing her with IM40 all the time and when she is not boosted that damage is not equally impressive.

My advise would be to live with the fact you have to sell an odd cover here or there. You are on the right path to start the 4* game but using 6 potential covers to jump a step doesn't seem right. Short term plan could be to champ 3-4 4* (and she deserves to be one of them and I five you that - she might be fine as well as the only one but the cost is very steep) at the same time. While you build up ISO for that keep saving the CP and LT. I would still open other tokens to fuel 2* farm and add levels to 3*.

Punisher5784

Magic wrote:

She will help you a bit in PvP (and a lot when boosted) but she might hurt your PvE. You will could end up playing her with IM40 all the time and when she is not boosted that damage is not equally impressive.

My advise would be to live with the fact you have to sell an odd cover here or there. You are on the right path to start the 4* game but using 6 potential covers to jump a step doesn't seem right. Short term plan could be to champ 3-4 4* (and she deserves to be one of them and I five you that - she might be fine as well as the only one but the cost is very steep) at the same time. While you build up ISO for that keep saving the CP and LT. I would still open other tokens to fuel 2* farm and add levels to 3*.

I agree with Magic and others above. I love my 4hor champion... but now she's all I use due to the PVE scaling. My enemy levels jumped up 100 levels after I champed a few 4*'s, including 4hor. Increased enemy levels makes PVE more time consuming. If you're a big PVE player, you may not like what you'll experience in PVE but if you're looking to start PVP then you'll enjoy it. PVP has been much easier for me since champing my 4*'s. Choose wisely young one

kyo28

Thanks for the advice everyone ... didn't look at it from that perspective yet, namely that 1 champed 4 could exponentially increase PVE difficulty.

I already have 9 5 s at level 255 and 1 5 at level 285. So will that one extra champed 4 have such a big impact on PVE scaling?

Punisher5784

kyo28 wrote:

Thanks for the advice everyone ... didn't look at it from that perspective yet, namely that 1 champed 4 could exponentially increase PVE difficulty.

I already have 9 5 s at level 255 and 1 5 at level 285. So will that one extra champed 4 have such a big impact on PVE scaling?

My understanding is 1-4* champ won't since affect your scaling too much since you have 5*'s, except when the champed 4* is boosted. I champed 3-4*'s at once so that is likely why I saw a dramatic increase in my PVE scaling.

Vhailorx

4*thor is an especially good first 4* to champ. She is fairly tough and can stunlock pretty well in concert with im40. She will hit well above her weight for an early transitioner.

Tc: just grind the hell out of pve and play pvp to 575. That should get you up to 120cp in less than 14 days.

Punter1

My 2c - hold onto the cover for 13 days, and spend your CP and Leg tokens as you get them. You may get lucky, you'll certainly get lots of covers that are usable. If you don't pull a Thoress, sell it for 1000iso, you'll sell plenty more 4* before your done so don't get too attached to them!

I'm in 4* transition, I've now got 5 champed, 1st one done right at Christmas. It's made a little difference to PVE, but really the harder PVE nodes are still hard, and the easy ones are still easy. It's made PVP easier, more regularly and easily getting above 800, as long as the right ones are boosted (this week sucks for me!). So sure having a champ helps but not as much as having a few champs.

I open all my LT and spend my CP as soon as I get 20. Based on my roster and cover counts I've an 81% chance of getting a usable token, I'm happy with those odds. Out of the 6 pulls from 120 CP I'm going to get 5 that can be used, not all of them are awesome, but more covers helps across the board. This means outside of my 5 champs I've 19 chars at 10 or more covers and all but 3 at 6 or more. Once my draw rate drops under 60% or so I might change my tactics, but for now I'll keep taking as many covers as I can.

I'm then selectively spending ISO as characters are featured or champed, I've most the well regarded 4* at level 190+ and having good 4* at lvl 250 is almost as useful as a champ, IMHO a broad roster is better than a focused one for consistent play and health pack help.

Smudge

4Thor was my first 4* champ. I don't regret it. She's a beast, with one of the highest health pools in the tier.

That said, yes. She will absolutely impact your scaling. 5*s carry overall pretty minimal impact these days without excessive covers (my 7 cover level 255s still don't change anything when I add covers, but I just champed my 12th 4*). Each extra 4* I champed increased my overall scaling in a noticeable way up until I had 8-10 of them. Now it caps at level 322 on the hardest node whether I have a boosted champ or not.

If you want to pull the trigger, do it. You won't find your game unplayable. Just be prepared to always have to bring 4Thor and IM40 to the table in all of your hard PvE nodes whether you want to or not (unless you choose to play something like Charlie's Angels to change it up - your PX is about at the point that the Angels are a viable play). On the plus side, having all the 3*s champed like you do excepting Thanos will play to your favor. After you add a few more 4* champs, you'll see scaling increase slowly (about 10-20 levels per champ up to a certain point), but you'll start having steady boosted 4*s with you.

Edit to say this: I don't have photographic proof outside of my memory, but boosted characters absolutely do not increase your scaling on individual PvE events. I played one of the recent events where my champed Kate, Star-Lord, and Jean Grey were all boosted over 370, and my hard node capped at level 322; the 4* required capped at 309. By contrast, in The Hunt, my top 3 characters are boosted 3* GSBW at level 305, boosted 4* Nova at level 297 (with 12 covers), and boosted 3* Captain Marvel at level 288. Scaling still tops out at level 322 on the hard node and is appreciably more difficult to face without any boosted 4* champs. In fact, my next highest 4* is Thor at unboosted level 284. I'd be happy to slog through and post screenshots of the scaling/roster screens for The Hunt as proof, but I can't offer definitive proof of the Kate/SL/JG week other than to say I know what I faced and it was super easy. Boosted characters do not affect your scaling. Seems they work as intended to make life easier with your current scaling.

veny

What? So much CPs to champ 4*s? Are you swimming in ISO? I build duplicates when i get them (right now i have like 15 different duplicates with 30+ covers total). Its better that selling them and considering the "rarity" of 4*s nowadays (free player can get one 4* every day) i dont think it is wise to waste so much CPs just to champ one 4*. I dont know why do you want it so bad

Spidurman27

Punisher5784 wrote:

kyo28 wrote:

Thanks for the advice everyone ... didn't look at it from that perspective yet, namely that 1 champed 4 could exponentially increase PVE difficulty.

I already have 9 5 s at level 255 and 1 5 at level 285. So will that one extra champed 4 have such a big impact on PVE scaling?

My understanding is 1-4* champ won't since affect your scaling too much since you have 5*'s, except when the champed 4* is boosted. I champed 3-4*'s at once so that is likely why I saw a dramatic increase in my PVE scaling.

I wish. I have most 5*, unfortunately 1 at 285, 1 at 270 from newb days.

Those plus my 3* roster - 260ish scaling
As I champed 3 4* (incl you) now up to 318. Each new addition was at least 10 levels of new scaling.

kyo28

Just a little feedback. I ended up champing 4 Thor and am very happy with her. Sure, there is an increase in scaling but she is very usable with various teams so all in all I think I made the right move.

Some teams I like using her with are:
* With IM40 to IM can be her battery;
* With Loki + 3*Storm: rainbow team and once it gets going, near infinite

Still experimenting with other teams but definitely a great character as a first 4 champ.

Thanks for all the feedback!