Aether Revolt - First Impressions: Mythic

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  • nexus13
    nexus13 Posts: 191 Tile Toppler
    madwren wrote:
    nexus13 wrote:
    I think solemn recruit is a sleeper hit here. 3/3 doublestrike for only 6 is going to be pretty strong in combination with any pump. I think Nahri and G/W Ajani will probably be really happy with this.

    Isn't that a rare? The thread was about mythics, which is why I think that no one has mentioned Recruit yet.

    I guess five words is one too many for me to read in a subject header icon_razz.gif
  • SpaceDuck
    SpaceDuck Posts: 85 Match Maker
    I think that Rishkar's Expertise is going to be a super strong mythic, but will not be as broken as people are making it out to be.

    For the most part I see it as a god-tier replacement for Animist's Awakening and not a win condition that you go digging for.

    Looking at it there is actually a mixed bag.
      Fantastic value.
      Seriously insane value.
      Potentially too much of a good thing. If your entire deck is ramp and card draw to keep your hand full, there isn't a ton of room left for heavy creatures and counter/removal.
      It is likely to kill or remove shields from your other ramp already on the board. That obviously doesn't matter in terms of mana, but...
      It is likely to mean much less loyalty generated over time than current cascade or start of turn options like Fertile Thicket, Nissa's Pilgrimage, Animist's Awakening, Attune with Aether, etc. The trade-off is a mana nuke, but abilities are often what you build around.
      There are a number of effect-on-destroy supports that you may need to play around. That's bad.
      There are even more enemy supports you will want to destroy. That's good.
      For good and bad the card is very anti-energy.

    It's definitely nutso strong, but in the good way that a mythic should be. Harness may be primed for a big comeback, total **** Kiora decks will be even more ****, but I don't see it shaping the game like Olivia or Deploy.
  • buscemi
    buscemi Posts: 673 Critical Contributor
    SpaceDuck wrote:
    I think that Rishkar's Expertise is going to be a super strong mythic, but will not be as broken as people are making it out to be.

    I'm getting that printed on a T-Shirt.
  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    SpaceDuck wrote:
    I think that Rishkar's Expertise is going to be a super strong mythic, but will not be as broken as people are making it out to be.

    For the most part I see it as a god-tier replacement for Animist's Awakening and not a win condition that you go digging for.

    Looking at it there is actually a mixed bag.
      Fantastic value.
      Seriously insane value.
      Potentially too much of a good thing. If your entire deck is ramp and card draw to keep your hand full, there isn't a ton of room left for heavy creatures and counter/removal.
      It is likely to kill or remove shields from your other ramp already on the board. That obviously doesn't matter in terms of mana, but...
      It is likely to mean much less loyalty generated over time than current cascade or start of turn options like Fertile Thicket, Nissa's Pilgrimage, Animist's Awakening, Attune with Aether, etc. The trade-off is a mana nuke, but abilities are often what you build around.
      There are a number of effect-on-destroy supports that you may need to play around. That's bad.
      There are even more enemy supports you will want to destroy. That's good.
      For good and bad the card is very anti-energy.

    It's definitely nutso strong, but in the good way that a mythic should be. Harness may be primed for a big comeback, total **** Kiora decks will be even more ****, but I don't see it shaping the game like Olivia or Deploy.

    If you have rashmi it means that your hand will always be full so 20 gems for 5 mana.Throw in SP and renewal too. Never ending loops.
  • buscemi
    buscemi Posts: 673 Critical Contributor
    khurram wrote:
    If you have rashmi it means that your hand will always be full so 20 gems for 5 mana.Throw in SP and renewal too. Never ending loops.

    And what's that other card? Prism.... something?
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    I foresee the possibility of literally breaking the game to unending matches and thus a match that can't be completed.

    Gonti's Aether Heart + Aethergeode Miner + Rashmi on a well energized Dovin board.
  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    buscemi wrote:
    khurram wrote:
    If you have rashmi it means that your hand will always be full so 20 gems for 5 mana.Throw in SP and renewal too. Never ending loops.

    And what's that other card? Prism.... something?


    Err... yeah sure, that one too. Very underrated card. I sometimes forget that i even have it, you know icon_lol.gificon_razz.gif
  • blacklotus
    blacklotus Posts: 589 Critical Contributor
    khurram wrote:
    If you have rashmi it means that your hand will always be full so 20 gems for 5 mana.Throw in SP and renewal too. Never ending loops.

    so Rashmi grew from useless to OP in one add-on set release. very nice indeed. icon_e_biggrin.gif
  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    blacklotus wrote:
    khurram wrote:
    If you have rashmi it means that your hand will always be full so 20 gems for 5 mana.Throw in SP and renewal too. Never ending loops.

    so Rashmi grew from useless to OP in one add-on set release. very nice indeed. icon_e_biggrin.gif

    I still wouldnt say OP. But after testing she turned out to be better than i initially thought, for mono green decks especially.
  • blacklotus
    blacklotus Posts: 589 Critical Contributor
    khurram wrote:
    blacklotus wrote:
    khurram wrote:
    If you have rashmi it means that your hand will always be full so 20 gems for 5 mana.Throw in SP and renewal too. Never ending loops.

    so Rashmi grew from useless to OP in one add-on set release. very nice indeed. icon_e_biggrin.gif

    I still wouldnt say OP. But after testing she turned out to be better than i initially thought, for mono green decks especially.

    thanks. i am going to try her once i get my n2.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    The thing about Rishkar's Expertise is that it's a STRONGER redundant effect. It's green ramp, but made stronger and cheaper. It's power creep. It takes the power of Nissa's R and distills it down to a card anyone can cast, even though green's ramp was already more than sufficient, and opens the door to even more games where you just sit there and watch the AI cycle cards indefinitely.

    Compare this to say, red burn. We still don't have a viable upgrade on Exquisite Firecraft.
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    So, I think their are some really intriguing cards in this release. Clearly some niche game changers like Baral, where you can infinitely loop him, and Gonti which will be very broken in certain decks. Also, some really strong cards like rishkar's expertise that will be core in any deck like startled awake.

    However, I am less sold on some of the smaller efficient creatures. The big problem is creature slots. Oviya is a good example of a really strong card that really just doesn't see much play. Unfortunatly, if I have to choose between lightning runner or Sram and Olivia or Pig, its just not worth it to go that low. Too many PWs have too much mana gains for these efficient creatures to be worth the deck and creature slots they require
  • Ciotog
    Ciotog Posts: 77 Match Maker
    Gonti's Aether Heart is OP and I love it. Wasn't sure about it at first but I combined it with an energy heavy Dovin deck and I can chain multiple swaps together (10+) on a fairly regular basis. This is insane when used with Electrostatic Pummeler (record so far is a power of 646,368,240).
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    That is totally what I thought would happen with aether heart.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    I look forward to running into infinite-swap engine decks during events. That'll be fantastic. Can't wait.

    One of the earliest mistakes in paper MTG's development was underestimating the sheer power of giving extra turns.

    Seems like we're heading down that road now with swaps.
  • Falizar
    Falizar Posts: 70 Match Maker
    Agreed on the mistake on extra turns - just had 42 extra turns in a row with the Bristling Hydra and Gonti's Aether Heart.
  • Dlee610
    Dlee610 Posts: 22
    AettThorn wrote:
    span_argoman wrote:
    I predict Gonti's Aether Heart will break the game. Once you get it going, the opponent will just about never get a turn.

    Overload 3 is tough to get going repeatedly, though. Even if you've got a bumped up Empyreal Voyager or something like that, it's still tough to get more than a couple of extra swaps without creating more and more energized gems.

    I just got this card and 1: the swaps stack (oh my) 2: with era of innovation and this card you can play forever with a fully energized board (just keep putting out supports and throwing away the rest) and 3:I got an electrostatic pummeler over the billion mark (damage displays 0 after the 1 billion mark) in damage before sabatoging my turn to stop making him stronger. Simply a ridiculous card.
  • THEMAGICkMAN
    THEMAGICkMAN Posts: 697 Critical Contributor
    Dlee610 wrote:
    AettThorn wrote:
    span_argoman wrote:
    I predict Gonti's Aether Heart will break the game. Once you get it going, the opponent will just about never get a turn.

    Overload 3 is tough to get going repeatedly, though. Even if you've got a bumped up Empyreal Voyager or something like that, it's still tough to get more than a couple of extra swaps without creating more and more energized gems.

    I just got this card and 1: the swaps stack (oh my) 2: with era of innovation and this card you can play forever with a fully energized board (just keep putting out supports and throwing away the rest) and 3:I got an electrostatic pummeler over the billion mark (damage displays 0 after the 1 billion mark) in damage before sabatoging my turn to stop making him stronger. Simply a ridiculous card.

    You didn't happen to screen shot it did you? This takes my 1000 power challenge to a WHOLE new level
  • buscemi
    buscemi Posts: 673 Critical Contributor
    THEMAGICkMAN wrote:
    Dlee610 wrote:
    AettThorn wrote:
    span_argoman wrote:
    I predict Gonti's Aether Heart will break the game. Once you get it going, the opponent will just about never get a turn.

    Overload 3 is tough to get going repeatedly, though. Even if you've got a bumped up Empyreal Voyager or something like that, it's still tough to get more than a couple of extra swaps without creating more and more energized gems.

    I just got this card and 1: the swaps stack (oh my) 2: with era of innovation and this card you can play forever with a fully energized board (just keep putting out supports and throwing away the rest) and 3:I got an electrostatic pummeler over the billion mark (damage displays 0 after the 1 billion mark) in damage before sabatoging my turn to stop making him stronger. Simply a ridiculous card.

    You didn't happen to screen shot it did you? This takes my 1000 power challenge to a WHOLE new level

    viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58591
  • Dlee610
    Dlee610 Posts: 22
    THEMAGICkMAN wrote:
    Dlee610 wrote:
    AettThorn wrote:
    span_argoman wrote:
    I predict Gonti's Aether Heart will break the game. Once you get it going, the opponent will just about never get a turn.

    Overload 3 is tough to get going repeatedly, though. Even if you've got a bumped up Empyreal Voyager or something like that, it's still tough to get more than a couple of extra swaps without creating more and more energized gems.

    I just got this card and 1: the swaps stack (oh my) 2: with era of innovation and this card you can play forever with a fully energized board (just keep putting out supports and throwing away the rest) and 3:I got an electrostatic pummeler over the billion mark (damage displays 0 after the 1 billion mark) in damage before sabatoging my turn to stop making him stronger. Simply a ridiculous card.

    You didn't happen to screen shot it did you? This takes my 1000 power challenge to a WHOLE new level

    In case Buscemi's link TLDR: http://m.imgur.com/a/1Nt4f

    Pics for over 1 million and over 1 billion (same turn).

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