Cheater Account Purge

Alve

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Justyce

It was really easy to find though just edited out // Alve. I thought it be a bit harder to find.

I saw that it was released 24 dec is that around the time when you start seeing these rediculous figures. If so, it be more attributed to cheating than someone who was simply playing very fast.

Please, no tips for finding those apps as well. Even if it's easy to do, we don't want to make things easier for wannabe cheaters. Posting any links or other information making finding altered apps easier will result in a warning for the poster. // Alve

killwind

I personally hate cheaters! They make what I can do irrelevant! But don't confuse competitive advantage with cheating! In Extinction we are constantly working on how to get faster more effective decks into QB.

I spoke with Alve and gave her those stats About possible scores and how to achieve them. I am not going to share how that is possible. You need to figure that **** out for yourself. If an old dude like me can figure it out I'm certain the younger more tech savvy generation can figure it out!

As far as I am personally concerned I win QB because I can sit down and grind for 12+ hour stretches at 150-175 points per hour! I have peaked at above 220 points per hour a few times! Matter of fact it was against losdamianos and that screenshot he posted up where he beat me. I play using a iPhone7 or on a iPadPro.

Personally I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not here to make nice with any of you. I am here to support what Alve is trying to do!

So have a good day, and I hope all of you get to see more of my decks more often in events!

DaisukeK

Players quit playing when there's not much to play anymore. Mythics he/she doesn't own SUSTAINS the life of the app, keeping the player to stay motivated to play. So, dev has this reason wanting an experienced, competative player NOT to get a mythic easily.

QB is a way of earning a Mythic easily for these seasoned players. There's reasonable motif for developer side not to help real, money spending players to do that. And along this logic comes further implication, but I won't dare that for fear of banning.

bk1234

Brigby wrote:

Hi Everyone. I've brought this topic up in our most recent discussion with the team in regards to a course of action for this situation.

For those of you who believe you have encountered a potential cheater, please send in a support ticket to report them. Customer Support will be able to work with Hibernum on investigating those accounts and applying appropriate action. Thank you!

@Brigby --have you ever actually submitted a support ticket? I'm still waiting on FC from whenever we won that in event progression and probably 20 top 10 QB rewards.

I see no effectiveness or value in using this as a mechanism to report cheaters.

We deserve better.

Ohboy

DaisukeK wrote:

Players quit playing when there's not much to play anymore. Mythics he/she doesn't own SUSTAINS the life of the app, keeping the player to stay motivated to play. So, dev has this reason wanting an experienced, competative player NOT to get a mythic easily.

QB is a way of earning a Mythic easily for these seasoned players. There's reasonable motif for developer side not to help real, money spending players to do that. And along this logic comes further implication, but I won't dare that for fear of banning.

Qb is the hardest way to get a mythic.

DaisukeK

Ohboy wrote:

DaisukeK wrote:

Players quit playing when there's not much to play anymore. Mythics he/she doesn't own SUSTAINS the life of the app, keeping the player to stay motivated to play. So, dev has this reason wanting an experienced, competative player NOT to get a mythic easily.

QB is a way of earning a Mythic easily for these seasoned players. There's reasonable motif for developer side not to help real, money spending players to do that. And along this logic comes further implication, but I won't dare that for fear of banning.

Qb is the hardest way to get a mythic.

Yes, so you see it working.

adman149

There's nothing easy about grinding or racing for a mythic. It's far easier to focus and challenge for them during events or if you are in a top 10 crew. However, id prefer to go back to competing with the guys I know are actually fast (duskpaladin, sangfan, morphling,yunnnn, merciside, grizzo,sellersloan, summonghost,etc) killwind you don't count, you are a vampire. And btw, I wiped the floor with your decks 4 times today. I enjoy the vacation. Please pop up more often.

THEMAGICkMAN

adman149 wrote:

There's nothing easy about grinding or racing for a mythic. It's far easier to focus and challenge for them during events or if you are in a top 10 crew. However, id prefer to go back to competing with the guys I know are actually fast (duskpaladin, sangfan, morphling,yunnnn, merciside, grizzo,sellersloan, summonghost,etc) killwind you don't count, you are a vampire. And btw, I wiped the floor with your decks 4 times today. I enjoy the vacation. Please pop up more often.

The relationship between you and killwind continues to entertain me, keep it up!

losdamianos

madwren wrote:

losdamianos wrote:

madwren wrote:

losdamianos wrote:

Also just because you can win a match in less than a minute it doesnt mean you can keep it doing it consistently sooner or later you will face liliana/jace2/kiora lock down decks and you get stuck for 10-20 minutes sometimes

That's what the Quit button is for.

quiting is for losers

While I admire your pluck and willingness to spout cliches in response to my helpful explanation, it doesn't change the fact that I provided an accurate reason why people can, indeed, keep doing it consistently (although you insisted otherwise.)

I am fully aware of the quit button to counter slow decks,
but I am yet to see 300pts in an hour. Oh and even if you click quit it takes some time to check wheter the battle will be slow or not then you go back loading times etc... all takes time in the precious less than a minute win on average

DuskPaladin

Yea, even if you dodge some tricky match ups, your potions will be gone really fast, so you won't be able to do that many times at all. Also, @Killwind, my point was that I've faced many of Extinction's speed demons, I would have thought that your coalition members would have benefit from your secret tech to go at 220/hour or at least something approaching that speed.

We're racing each other at about 150 pts/hour. (the winner usually managed to go a little bit over that speed, but no one is in a league of his own)

I'm not disputing your claim to have achieved 220 pts/hour, you're a seasoned QB grinders, so obviously after all those hours, you'll hit some magic hour where everything goes perfectly well. But it's really exceptional, while it's not the case for the cheaters. Also, 220 pts/hour would be your absolute best, the best record achieved by anyone as far as I know, it's unreasonable to extrapolate from their that since you could reach that speed once in a blue moon, that it's possible to got 30-70 pts/hour over that speed. It's like after hearing about the speed of light, you say that it could be possible to go ever faster than that, that's not how things work.

I appreciate Alve and the Devs efforts to fight those cheaters, that's why I'm trying to contribute too. but saying that going at 220-300 pts/hour is normal and not room for investigation, will give a lot of breathing room for the cheaters. No normal players can compete with such players "only going at 250 pts/hour".

Also, for now we can only take screenshots of the top 10 over a period of time to show the devs. We can't search for individual players. So, especially for later QB brackets, we won't be able to show multiple instances of the cheater's impossibly fast progress. We'll only have screenshots from when he reaches top 10 and when he beat the legitimate first player, by "only going at 250 pts/hour". And you're telling me that we'll just shrug it off by saying, "aw, but that's only 1 hour burst, so there's nothing wrong there!"?

One hour on our "radar" is all that it takes the cheaters to dethrone the legit player.

I know it's fun to inflate our scores or mention our best or most memorable performance, but it's doing a disservice to this community by indirectly protecting the cheaters. I could mention that at one time I managed a first turn win, but does it make it acceptable as humanly possible and that if we find a bunch of players constantly getting first turn wins, that no flag will be raised?

Obviously, we all have our secret build, and tricks to try to have an edge, it's a fun part of the game. No one asked you to reveal them, but it's normal to wish for some proof, like screenshots, when confronted with unlikely, exceptional claims. It was nice that you gave a little bit of context, that it wasn't a common occurrence, as opposed to the flagged players.

span_argoman

While we are talking about 150 points/hour (pph) or 220 pph or 300 pph, let's look at what that means in terms of match time *including loading screen times, tapping through the end match screen and the start match screen*. I find that usually gives a better idea of how feasible a scoring rate may be.

150 pph: 2 minutes 24 seconds per match-cycle
220 pph: 1 minute 38 seconds per match-cycle
300 pph: 1 minute 12 seconds per match-cycle

So Killwind, unless you think that someone else can shave 26 seconds off each match-cycle compared to your top performing hours, I think 300 pph might be a mite unrealistic.

Ohboy

I think everyone had a little misunderstanding.

Killwind says his speed tops out at 220 per hour, with an average of 150 per hour.

Alve mistakenly used 220 as a benchmark and added 25% as the ceiling above which there is no doubt there is cheating.

No one is saying 300 per hour over hours is realistic. Alve just set it as the point after which it is completely unrealistic.

As for the 220 figure, we don't know how it's calculated. Everyone has had that nice small streak where everything goes well and does sub 2 mins. Did he expolate it from 3 games? Or did he sustain that for hours? It's useless to Bash him on it till he clarifies.

GrizzoMtGPQ

@DuskPaladin I think 220/hr is the sustained theoretical max. I do not believe it is possible to do faster than this for over 3+ hours. Maybe in some magical 1 hour period you might pull off this rate but it would be rare. Anything over this would be a cheat. That's my opinion.

Fiddler

While it can be hard to spot the cheat accounts from our end, sometimes it is obvious. For example, a couple of QBs back there were two accounts in my bracket using the hack. Normally someone using the hack will stop around 2000 points to just stay perched at the top of the bracket. These two were racing each other for that coveted number one spot. At the end of the event one account had over 7,000 points and the other gave up at about 5,500.

While I wish I had saved the screenshot, I do not believe that it is up to the players to maintain the integrity of the game.

JopeX37

THEMAGICkMAN wrote:

adman149 wrote:

There's nothing easy about grinding or racing for a mythic. It's far easier to focus and challenge for them during events or if you are in a top 10 crew. However, id prefer to go back to competing with the guys I know are actually fast (duskpaladin, sangfan, morphling,yunnnn, merciside, grizzo,sellersloan, summonghost,etc) killwind you don't count, you are a vampire. And btw, I wiped the floor with your decks 4 times today. I enjoy the vacation. Please pop up more often.

The relationship between you and killwind continues to entertain me, keep it up!

It's even better on Extinction's Discord channel

THEMAGICkMAN

JopeX37 wrote:

THEMAGICkMAN wrote:

adman149 wrote:

There's nothing easy about grinding or racing for a mythic. It's far easier to focus and challenge for them during events or if you are in a top 10 crew. However, id prefer to go back to competing with the guys I know are actually fast (duskpaladin, sangfan, morphling,yunnnn, merciside, grizzo,sellersloan, summonghost,etc) killwind you don't count, you are a vampire. And btw, I wiped the floor with your decks 4 times today. I enjoy the vacation. Please pop up more often.

The relationship between you and killwind continues to entertain me, keep it up!

It's even better on Extinction's Discord channel

Invite me please!

JopeX37

THEMAGICkMAN wrote:

JopeX37 wrote:

THEMAGICkMAN wrote:

adman149 wrote:

There's nothing easy about grinding or racing for a mythic. It's far easier to focus and challenge for them during events or if you are in a top 10 crew. However, id prefer to go back to competing with the guys I know are actually fast (duskpaladin, sangfan, morphling,yunnnn, merciside, grizzo,sellersloan, summonghost,etc) killwind you don't count, you are a vampire. And btw, I wiped the floor with your decks 4 times today. I enjoy the vacation. Please pop up more often.

The relationship between you and killwind continues to entertain me, keep it up!

It's even better on Extinction's Discord channel

Invite me please!

I mean, if you want to join our coalitions...

The_Cheater

Imagine whenever you play a creatures, it has a P/T of 246/246. And whenever your opponent plays a creature, it's instantly destroyed. Build a deck optimized for these conditions and you will effortlessly attain around 300 points per hour. I mean, I don't see how anybody could get joy out of that but whatever. It's a hack and it sticks out like a sore thumb.

MTGPQ's patrons are pretty tight knit and everybody knows who the good QBer's are already. This god-mode option was brought up months ago on the forums and I'm afraid the Devs cannot prevent it. They certainly haven't enforced it either.