Satanno's token hoard Season XXXIII (Power) & XXXIV (Time)

El Satanno

Double whammy edition! With some new motivation from the No-Pull Posse I cached all my tokens for two full seasons. Man, it took forever to open and manage all the loot. Pretty awesome! Nothing is changing from my previous entries, although I have decided to stop mentioning unusual pulls (like back-to-back or three-in-a-row) mostly because it's a pain in the **** for very little gain. Anyway!

The initial hoard:

• 581 silver tokens
• 185 elite tokens
• 391 mixed gold tokens
• 5 heroic 10-packs
• 66 legendary tokens
• 1348 command points

The pulls:

Silver tokens (581)
Black Widow (purple)
Punisher (black)
Doctor Strange (blue)
Bullseye (black)
Doctor Octopus (green)
Sentry (red)
Iron Fist (purple)
Gamora (black)
Psylocke (red)
Mystique (black)
Captain America (blue)
Quicksilver (black)

• 2* pulls: 92 (15%)

[*]3* pulls: 12 (2%)

Elite tokens (185)
Squirrel Girl (green, yellow)
Mystique (blue)
Kamala Khan (purple, green)
Black Panther (yellow, black)
Doctor Strange (yellow x2)
Deadpool (purple x2)
Thor (yellow)
She-Hulk (red)
Beast (blue, yellow)
Scarlet Witch (purple)
Sentry (yellow)
Punisher (black, green)
Iron Fist (green, black)
Hood (black)
Colossus (red, black)
Human Torch (black)
Ragnarok (red, green)
Captain Marvel (black)
Doctor Doom (purple x2, blue)
Rocket & Groot (blue, yellow)
Hulk (red, green)
Captain America (blue)
Storm (green, black)
Doctor Octopus (black)
Spider-Man (yellow)
Iron Man (yellow)
Luke Cage (red)

• 3* pulls: 42 (22.7%)

Heroic 10-packs (5)
Wasp (yellow), Beast (blue)
Luke Cage (red), Vision (blue), Patch (green), Bullseye (purple)
Cyclops (yellow), Vision (blue), Moon Knight (green)
Carnage (red), Spider-Man (purple), Magneto (yellow), Patch (red)
Miles Morales (red), Mystique (blue), Doctor Strange (purple), Human Torch (red), Rocket & Groot (yellow), Black Panther (blue)

• 3* pulls: 15 (30%)
• 4* pulls: 4 (8%)

Heroic tokens (216/249 after champion rewards)
Patch (red x2)
Doctor Strange (purple x2, blue)
Thor (green)
Mystique (purple)
Loki (purple)
Rocket & Groot (blue)
Baglady (yellow, green)
Squirrel Girl (yellow, green)
Hood (yellow, blue)
Kamala Khan (purple x2, green x2, yellow)
Blade (black)
Scarlet Witch (purple x2, blue x2)
X-23 (purple x2)
Deadpool (purple)
Human Torch (red, black, green x2)
Elektra's Worthless **** (red)
Iron Man (red)
Deadpool (black)
She-Hulk (green)
Luke Cage (yellow x3)
Daken (black x2)
Punisher (red, green)
Gamora (black)
Captain Marvel (red)
Magneto (blue)
Psylocke (black)
Storm (black)
Gwenpool (green)
Nova (black)
Sentry (red)
Blade (purple)
Cyclops (black)
Beast (blue, yellow)
Vision (yellow)
Iron Fist (purple, black)
Nick Fury (yellow)
Spider-Woman (red)
Thor (yellow)
Ragnarok (blue)
Professor X (yellow)
Doctor Octopus (black)
Ant-Man (purple)
Thing (yellow)
Hulk (green)
Falcon (yellow)
Black Widow (red)
Mr. Sucktastic (black)

The Hunt (5)
Hulk (green)
Spider-Man (yellow)

Thick as Thieves (5)
Falcon (purple)

Hearts of Darkness (13)
Jean Grey (purple)
Mr. Sucktastic (black)
Psylocke (red)
Mystique (blue)

Strange Sights (25)
Falcon (blue)
Gamora (black)
Hulk (green)
Kamala Khan (purple)
Quicksilver (blue)
Nova (red)
Punisher (green)

Real Steel (3)
Squirrel Girl (yellow)
Iron Man (yellow)

Divine Champions (3)
She-Hulk (green)
Nova (black)

Nefarious Foes (3)
Captain America (yellow)

Coversquirrel (3)
Hulk (green)

Doctor's Orders (3)
Black Panther (yellow)
Patch (red)

Teenage Riot (3)
Rocket & Groot (yellow)

Hollowpoint Kiss (3)
Ragnarok (blue)

Smash Hit (3)
Deadpool (black)

Blue Shift (3)
Hulk (black)

Predator & Prey (3)
Psylocke (red)
Moon Knight (purple)

Red Shift (3)
Luke Cage (red)
Doctor Octopus (blue)

Real McCoy (3)
Cyclops (reD)
Falcon (blue)

Eight is Enough (3)
Squirrel Girl (green)

THE FUNNEST EVENT IN YEARS (3) (Yes, that means Combine Arms)
Jean Grey (green)

Vicious Cycle (3)
Iron Fist (purple)

Strange Days (3)
Human Torch (green)

Army of Two (3)
Captain America (blue)
Luke Cage (black)
Punisher (red)

The Hulk (4, vault)
Iron Man (yellow)
Sentry (red)

Venom: Heroic (5,vault)
Falcon (blue)
Hulk (black)
Luke Cage (red)

Simulator (6, vault)
Hulk (red)
Luke Cage (red)

Deadpool vs. MPQ (3, vault)
Quicksilver (black)

Enemy of the State (22, vault)
Legendary token
Bullseye (green)
Kamala Khan (yellow)
Magneto (blue)
Colossus (black)
Loki (black)

Prodigal Sun (10, vault)
Doctor Octopus (black)
Ragnarok (green)
Spider-Man (purple)
Captain Marvel (black)
Legendary token

Meet Rocket & Groot (4, vault)
Iron Man (blue)
Rocket & Groot (blue)

Unstable Iso-8 (5, vault)
Doctor Strange (yellow)
Vision (blue)

Venom Bomb (5, vault)
Iron Man (yellow)

• 3* pulls: 108 (25.4%)
• 4* pulls: 25 (5.8%)

Legendary tokens (78/95 after champion rewards) + 1495 Command points/1570 after champion rewards (62 pulls)
*Note: All pulls were made from the Latest Legends pool
Miles Morales (yellow, red x3, purple)
Venom (yellow, black, green)
Ghost Rider (green, red x4)
Kingpin (yellow, purple x2)
Wasp (blue, black x2, yellow)
Rulk (red x3, green x2)
Ant-Man (purple x2, blue x3, yellow)
Luke Cage (yellow x4, black x3, red)
Totally Adequate Hulk (green x4, blue)
Punisher (black x2, blue x3)
Quake (yellow, blue x2, green)
Blade (green x2, red, black)
Star-Lord (red x2, yellow x2)
Moon Knight (purple, black, green)
Winter Soldier (red x2)
Nova (black x2, red x2, yellow)
Elektra's Worthless **** (red x3, purple x2)
Professor X (yellow x2, purple)
X-23 (green, purple x2)
Deadpool (red x2, purple, black)
Black Bolt (yellow x3, green x2, black)
Nick Fury (purple x3)
Mr. Sucktastic (blue, yellow, black)
Hulkbuster (black, red x2)
Black Widow (black, red x2, purple x3)
Peggy Carter (blue, yellow)
Baglady (yellow x2, blue x2)
Wolverine (yellow x3, green)
Thing (red)
Doctor Strange (purple x3, yellow, blue x2)
No Futz Lady (blue, purple, black)
Faptain (blue x2, red x3, yellow x3)
Spider-Gwen (yellow)
Cyclops (red x2)
Drax (red x2)
Spider-Woman (black, red x2, purple)
Thor (red x2)
War Machine (green, red)
Gwenpool (purple)

• 5* pulls: 18 (11.4%)

Total Iso from cover sales, champ rewards, and 2* farm: 843,090
Total elapsed time for opening tokens and roster management: 3:05:04

Observations and (purely subjective) conclusions:

1. My pulls put me pretty much right the middle of the curve for all tokens...except legendaries. Go figure.
2. Contrary to my previous hoards, not only did I get a rather even distribution of characters but also of colors. No real clear streaks to speak of, either. Some characters tended to show up later but they pretty much all did. How about that?
3. After I pulled a couple key covers for 4* I had mostly built and a slew for Cage, I have gutted my 2* farm to the point that Taco Thing is actually somewhat challenging. I'm currently forced to run it with a max Wolverine, 142 Moonstone, and 15 OBW. I don't even have three 2* champs! It's actually kinda neat.
4. I now have Black Bolt, Doctor Strange, and Black Widow all half-built. It took two months and change. It has made exactly zero impact on my roster. As they slowly move into the classic pool my hopes of completing any of them in this lifetime dwindle rapidly to zero. If I had my way I'd prefer at least 13 covers for Black Bolt and the rest for Doctor Strange. Widow I can live without. Instead I got what you see here, and I'm still stuck using Logan and Phoenix for everything for the foreseeable future. So really, my big takeaway from this is, the 5* tier sucks. It sucks, but it is not going anywhere. I probably should be incensed by this, but honestly, I'm a little ambivalent. So I don't know what else to say. Sigh.
5. Since I would like to actually try to get some movement on those builds before that inevitable misery, my next hoard installment will only last until such time that Bolt is getting ready to move to classics. It may be that the next hoard will be sooner than next season.

I used to bang on about characters needing reworks here, but full credit to Demiurge in their sustained efforts to actually keep up on that. Bravo! On the other side of the coin, my new thing is that the 5* tier sucks. And it does. It sucks. Everything about it, and I say that in complete sincerity.

spectator

Im thinking if you are going to hoard a significant amount of cp to pull from latest but not actually hoard the 260ish required to complete all three latest 5*, you're probably better off pulling from the new release legendary with a 10% drop rate. Then you have 6 months from when the new 5* moves into latest legendaries to pull your remaining covers at 5% rate.

Polares

Aaaaand again you are under the advertised 15% :S (my all time ratio in latest is 11% too, so I know what it feels like). Obviously, if some people have 20% ratio or more, some other people has to pull just 10% or less.

This system sucks. It is in no way fair. It really sucks.

I have been also trying to max BBolt before he goes to classic. I already had some covers, I have champed A LOT of 3s these past two seasons to get the initial LT, gotten LTs from vaults, and I have pulled more BBolts than BWs, but even with all that, he is still not cover maxed, pulling just 11% sucks, and it really ruins all your 'plans'. And if it is true that Thanos is coming in the next patch, he will go to classic in around 2-3 weeks, so it is going to be hard to champ him in time :S

SummerGlau

Not a big sampling in my case but I definitely seem to have better than advertised pull rates for 5's (and about correct for 4's from Heroics)
3 hrs to open all that? More patience than i've ever had.

OneLastGambit

Polares wrote:

Aaaaand again you are under the advertised 15% :S (my all time ratio in latest is 11% too, so I know what it feels like). Obviously, if some people have 20% ratio or more, some other people has to pull just 10% or less.

This system sucks. It is in no way fair. It really sucks.

I have been also trying to max BBolt before he goes to classic. I already had some covers, I have champed A LOT of 3s these past two seasons to get the initial LT, gotten LTs from vaults, and I have pulled more BBolts than BWs, but even with all that, he is still not cover maxed, pulling just 11% sucks, and it really ruins all your 'plans'. And if it is true that Thanos is coming in the next patch, he will go to classic in around 2-3 weeks, so it is going to be hard to champ him in time :S

Actually random is the ONLY fair system possible as it grants everyone equal odds irrespective of ability , money spent , time spent playing etc.

I think what you mean is ... You don't like it. And I agree with that sentiment. Pulling token after token to get strange only to keep getting people miles away from champing or worse....widow is very annoying. Once strange moves to classics I'm actually gonna hoard and buy covers as it's mathematically more likely I'll cover them quicker that way than with tokens

Polares

OneLastGambit wrote:

Polares wrote:

Aaaaand again you are under the advertised 15% :S (my all time ratio in latest is 11% too, so I know what it feels like). Obviously, if some people have 20% ratio or more, some other people has to pull just 10% or less.

This system sucks. It is in no way fair. It really sucks.

I have been also trying to max BBolt before he goes to classic. I already had some covers, I have champed A LOT of 3s these past two seasons to get the initial LT, gotten LTs from vaults, and I have pulled more BBolts than BWs, but even with all that, he is still not cover maxed, pulling just 11% sucks, and it really ruins all your 'plans'. And if it is true that Thanos is coming in the next patch, he will go to classic in around 2-3 weeks, so it is going to be hard to champ him in time :S

Actually random is the ONLY fair system possible as it grants everyone equal odds irrespective of ability , money spent , time spent playing etc.

I think what you mean is ... You don't like it. And I agree with that sentiment. Pulling token after token to get strange only to keep getting people miles away from champing or worse....widow is very annoying. Once strange moves to classics I'm actually gonna hoard and buy covers as it's mathematically more likely I'll cover them quicker that way than with tokens

No, I mean it is not fair. Because it is simply NOT FAIR.

You see there is a common misconception, that random is fair because everybody has the same chances at pulling something, but truth is, it is not. When luck is the only deciding factor, the system is all but fair.

Why should a system reward the same someone that has inverted twice the work than someone that didn't? Do you think it would be fair if someone in your job would get paid double the money for the same amount of work?

You see, we could have the same amount of CPs, won in the exact same way, we could use them to pull LTs, and then you would get 10 5s and I would get 3 5s. We had the same possibilities of pulling the same amount of 5s (this is why people assume is fair, but this is just a level of fairness), but we almost certainly won't get the same amount of 5s, so the outcome is not really fair. It is a system that depends on luck, and luck is capricious, it is everything but fair. This system rewards the lucky. You see the system needs to be fair both in the process and in the outcome.

In a really fair system, with the same amount of work/money/time/etc. we should get the same results (or almost the same results, luck can be a factor, but not the deciding factor). Any system based just on luck, will never be truly fair.

fmftint

El Satanno wrote:

Double whammy edition! With some new motivation from the No-Pull Posse I cached all my tokens for two full seasons.

I now have Black Bolt, Doctor Strange, and Black Widow all half-built. It took two months and change. It has made exactly zero impact on my roster.

This right here, this is number 1 reason rng progress is fail. 2 months of no improvement only to be punctuated with NO IMPROVEMENT

Polares

fmftint wrote:

El Satanno wrote:

Double whammy edition! With some new motivation from the No-Pull Posse I cached all my tokens for two full seasons.

I now have Black Bolt, Doctor Strange, and Black Widow all half-built. It took two months and change. It has made exactly zero impact on my roster.

This right here, this is number 1 reason rng progress is fail. 2 months of no improvement only to be punctuated with NO IMPROVEMENT

I could say that once I champed my third 5 (and champed Peggy), like 4 or 5 months ago, I have had no real improvement in the game. Yes, I pulled some 5s and a lot of 4s, but no other 5 is ready for prime time (I have some that are very close to being usable, but not yet), and my 4s are still not on the 320-330 range, when they will also be usable again when buffed (430+ level). So the progress is so slow, that my roster is basically as strong as it was 5 months ago, and I am forced to use the same 4-5 chars in all game modes.

El Satanno

fmftint wrote:

This right here, this is number 1 reason rng progress is fail. 2 months of no improvement only to be punctuated with NO IMPROVEMENT

I hear you, but I had a bit of a revelation while going through all this. See, I'm only looking for 5* covers. And it has been stated (officially?) that 5* are the end-game. So in a way, one can rationalize the negligible advancement. I'm not defending the decision, mind you. Just that there is a certain logic to it.

Now if we want to get into this, the major problem is not even the scarcity of the covers themselves but rather that reaching that end-game demonstrably damages your experience with the game. Namely, you become forced to use those characters and only those characters until you stop playing the game.

Furthermore, your ability to compete is severely compromised in both elements of the game: MMR lumps you in with everyone else playing 5* in Versus, limiting your pool of targets to a ridiculous degree. On top of that, your targets are largely people who have spent/lucked into vastly more well-developed characters. So rather than enjoying the power of your new characters and ranking higher, you end up getting stomped by the big teams and can't even stomp down yourself. Your only egress is in selling off those 5*. Cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Story is likewise compromised, thanks to absurd scaling algorithms which continue to benefit soft-cappers and lower-tier rosters. It's super.

So I'll just reiterate it, because I've already gotten on the soapbox. The 5* tier sucks. Top to bottom sucks.

IamTheBiggs

Ima piggy-back offa Mr. El Satanno here and give y'all a link to my token opening for the season.

https://youtu.be/k6iMLGrQh5s

El Satanno

You and your shameless self-promotion...

But hey, Biggs has a husky, sexy voice you can listen to!

mikeylu

i like looking at your pull parties satanno.. thank you for posting.

and i agree with your sentiment. 5* tier does suck