Way to booster elitism, D3.

bk1234
bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
edited December 2016 in MtGPQ General Discussion
Only the top 2 coalitions get a mythic in NOP.

So you realize the same 2 coalitions are always top 2? The 3-10 at least has some movement.

Nice way to show favorites, boost elitism and disrespect the other 160 people who grind their hearts out to land in the top 10.

You're getting ridiculous and a bit too transparent with your blatant favoritism.

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  • Kevinanth
    Kevinanth Posts: 50
    I've been very positive about D3 on this forum but this change is pure **** bull ****. What a lame lame change. Seriously D3, you suck. Merry Christmas.
  • Ampmp11
    Ampmp11 Posts: 77 Match Maker
    May as well just do 1 coalition gets a mythic so that there's some type of competition going on in the game. The top 2 in the game are always top 2 and will always be top 2 with these rewards. This kills interest for anyone not in their coalitions or feeders.

    Did someone go to business school there? Did they take a class or seminar on how to kill your game? Because if there's nothing to play (3 matches every 8 hrs, kill me now from boredom) and nothing to play for (**** rares are still ****), what are we supposed to do with your game? Login once every 8 hrs to collect the free stuff and play for 10 min? It's more of a hassle to only play for 10 min every 8 hrs than playing for a few hours straight. At least if I'm playing a few hours I'm engaged with your content. Every 8 hrs just makes me want to find something else.
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    2 Points:

    1. You are incentivizing people to use the "hush hush" EXPLOIT!
    2. Considering you won't change the way tie breakers work for individual events I have virtually no way of getting mythics because of:
    a. Terrible drop rates - I opened 42 packs of SOI, 4 fat packs of SOI, 7 EMN boosters, and 2 Kaladesh big boxes last Thursday. Got 1 mythic card.
    b. Refusal to fix the tie breaker issue - I won't wake up at 4:00 just to play your silly game. So I guess finishing with a perfect score in 4 straight individual events netted me 1 top 5 finish (I had to race and was still in gold).
    c. Only 2-3 coalitions have won top 2 in the past 3 months! They are hyper-competitive and I want to spend an occasional weekend being a father to my children.

    So, what exactly do you want me to do here? I don't mind the change as long as you fix a or b or both. Otherwise I see no reason not to look for a more balanced game to spend my time and money on.
  • zaann85
    zaann85 Posts: 119 Tile Toppler
    IMO it should have been extended to top 25. You have alot of hard working people in the 11-25 range who get the same rewards as a throw together group of 20. Necropotence has worked since the beginning and still pulls top 15 regularly and have been shown rares for thier hard work. Players are bitter on the forums because its the same top 10. The answer isnt to make the top 10 kill each other for those two valued slots, it should be to reward more of the hard working groups out there!
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    zaann85 wrote:
    IMO it should have been extended to top 25. You have alot of hard working people in the 11-25 range who get the same rewards as a throw together group of 20. Necropotence has worked since the beginning and still pulls top 15 regularly and have been shown rares for thier hard work. Players are bitter on the forums because its the same top 10. The answer isnt to make the top 10 kill each other for those two valued slots, it should be to reward more of the hard working groups out there!

    I agree with this completely.

    The rich get richer though.
  • Kevinanth
    Kevinanth Posts: 50
    Everyone should send a letter to the execs at D3 to point out how awful this change is: https://d3go.com/about/
  • losdamianos
    losdamianos Posts: 429 Mover and Shaker
    babar3355 wrote:
    2 Points:

    1. You are incentivizing people to use the "hush hush" EXPLOIT!
    not hush hush its really simple exploit

    It is also worth noting that Devs know exactly about this issue and are choosing to ignore it and any mentions about said exploit have been silenced (look at the recently closed topics)

    *Removed Supposed Exploit Steps*
    Edit: Added further detail for clarity
    -Brigby
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    Kevinanth wrote:
    Everyone should send a letter to the execs at D3 to point out how awful this change is: https://d3go.com/about/

    Are they on social media?
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    While I think it's a ridiculous change, it is possible that they fixed the exploit before doing this.

    Regardless, GP will continue to refrain from using it.
  • Nitymp
    Nitymp Posts: 320 Mover and Shaker
    Completely unfair change for the top 10 coalitions! Most of them are not whales and are good players and now, like barbar said, they have next to no chance to keep getting mythics. And no, don't say fat pack because about 99% of all fat packs i've ever opened didn't even have a single rare, let alone a mythic.

    This really will extend the collection gap and make it much harder for other coals to get into the top 2.

    I can only hope that this is a NoP thing, because Fateful Showdown last weekend was at least top 10.

    Oh and that exploit? Going to be pretty rampant now and any coalition with integrity will be left behind.
  • DuskPaladin
    DuskPaladin Posts: 123 Tile Toppler
    Yup, we at GoblinPile, still won't use that exploit. Otherwise what's the point of playing this game, and creating coalitions? It would only be a popularity contest.

    We always gave our best and trying to reach the top rankings for the honor and symbolism of being first, it was nice having our friendly competition with the other top coalitions like YouHave1Job, Extinction, etc. Top 2 or Top 10 had basically the same rewards. The former system allowed people to be competitive for those who wanted to, while still staying friendly for those who didn't care as much.

    It was made clear that an easy exploit existed to cheat the system. With the old system, it didn't give much incentive for coalitions to try to use it, anyways, since we had basically the same rewards. But now with the new system, it could become much more cutthroat. You're not making it friendlier between players and coalitions, it will only create frustration and hatred, and it might tempt some players/coalitions to use the exploit to get the top rewards.

    Please change the reward system back to the old one. People are playing this game for fun and to collect cool cards; mythics being at the very top. When in doubt, please give players more chance at getting mythics not less.
  • nightflare
    nightflare Posts: 8 Just Dropped In
    losdamianos wrote:
    babar3355 wrote:
    2 Points:

    1. You are incentivizing people to use the "hush hush" EXPLOIT!
    not hush hush its really simple exploit

    It is also worth noting that Devs know exactly about this issue and are choosing to ignore it and any mentions about said exploit have been silenced (look at the recently closed topics)

    *Removed Supposed Exploit Steps*
    Edit: Added further detail for clarity
    -Brigby
    The simple fact that Brigby has removed content from this post simply proves his point all the more.
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    nightflare wrote:
    losdamianos wrote:
    babar3355 wrote:
    2 Points:

    1. You are incentivizing people to use the "hush hush" EXPLOIT!
    not hush hush its really simple exploit

    It is also worth noting that Devs know exactly about this issue and are choosing to ignore it and any mentions about said exploit have been silenced (look at the recently closed topics)

    *Removed Supposed Exploit Steps*
    Edit: Added further detail for clarity
    -Brigby

    The simple fact that Brigby has removed content from this post simply proves his point all the more.

    Amazing that a post about them devs silencing anything to do with the exploit was LITERALLY censored. It's just... so blatant...
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    Hey everyone. I just wanted to clarify why I removed content from losdamianos's post.

    First and foremost, please read this post for our stance on the coalition exploit. This is very important for clarity: viewtopic.php?p=608325#p608325

    Secondly, the content removed from that member's post was step-by-step instructions for what is perceived to be the supposed coalition exploit. Now hypothetically should the exploit exist, then these instructions would only lead to more players taking advantage of it, which in turn hurts all the players who play legitimately. I merely removed that content and left the remaining post intact.
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    If it didn't work, there'd be no harm in the exploit's steps being explained, right? In fact, it would almost seem like good faith to leave the steps, as players would know that the exploit doesn't then exist. Just saying...
  • bluerong
    bluerong Posts: 3
    Developers/Admin

    I agree with many who posted above! Narrowing the prize pool is not a great idea. You are just rewarding the top 2-3 coalitions who are able to compete for it. There are clusters of coalitions with a narrow range of points that compete for these top spots, top 10, and top 25. You are leaving out the other coalitions that work equally as hard. You are basically leaving the rest out to dry and disincentivizing playing hard and compete because the drop rates for packs can be so variable! Please bring back top 10 coalitions get a mythic and please even consider expanding the numbers that do!

    Thanks,
    bluerong
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    DumasAG wrote:
    If it didn't work, there'd be no harm in the exploit's steps being explained, right? In fact, it would almost seem like good faith to leave the steps, as players would know that the exploit doesn't then exist. Just saying...
    The reason I removed it is more so to discourage actively attempting to search for exploits, and remove any example of how one might go about finding one.
  • losdamianos
    losdamianos Posts: 429 Mover and Shaker
    Brigby wrote:
    DumasAG wrote:
    If it didn't work, there'd be no harm in the exploit's steps being explained, right? In fact, it would almost seem like good faith to leave the steps, as players would know that the exploit doesn't then exist. Just saying...
    The reason I removed it is more so to discourage actively attempting to search for exploits, and remove any example of how one might go about finding one.
    Thats all nice and in the spirit of fair play but can we get any acknowledgement on when this will be patched please ?
    We have provided VERY reasonable ways of fixing it which can be found on previous topics closed by moderation.
    Forum is not the only way of finding information about it so any semi-competent player will have no trouble of finding the details
    In fact Im pretty sure most of players are finding it organically during their coalition travels
  • killwind
    killwind Posts: 116 Tile Toppler
    CHALLENGE ACCEPTED by Extinction!
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