Thoughts on this Comp

Unknown

One thing you have to know about me is that I'm very stubborn and I hate cookie cutter comps, I like to mix things up a bit. Also wordy. I hate The Punisher and refuse to play him unless I have to. And I like characters I'm at least familiar with, so that means no Daken. So I'm working on this comp:

Doctor Doom, lvl 115 5/5
Iron Man 40, lvl 102 4/3/3
Daredevil, lvl 79 5/3/4

By rights this comp should be the pinnacle of defense because the AI plays Daredevil better than most players. And it should be pretty decent on offense. But I'm getting whomped in the Shield pvp simulator by 2 star teams that I know I could take down with my original comp. Of course the characters aren't leveled, that probably has the most to do with it, but now I'm not sure I want to level Daredevil. IF IM40 can do a recharge early in the game, Doom can get enough blue to do technopathic strike and Daredevil can lay all kinds of traps that the AI can't help but fall into. But Daredevil also takes colors when he's in the third position so that's a bit irritating, and there is always a shortage of yellow tiles throughout the battle.

Anyway, is it just the leveling or what? Thoughts? Anyone with max leveled characters want to try it and report back?

Kiamodo

Too many what ifs for this grouping. I like the creativity. I would exchange doom with psylocke. Faster and stonger tile generation. Daredevil is the penultimate of unpredictable. Even a player controlled DD isn't that scary. I'm still looking for a great grouping for him. But I like the idea of covering many aspects of a match (short game psylocke, long game IM40, and X factor DD

Dormammu

Doom is awesome, if you can get his black off.
IM40 is awesome, if you can survive long enough to gather his colors.
Daredevil is awesome, if the enemy matches his tiles.

I guess that makes this group awesome, but a little iffy.

It's too bad that MN Magneto is a 2* guy because his blue-generating purple power is really the ideal mate for Doom. It's also too bad Doom is a 2-power guy, because it handicaps his max-level 26 levels below other maxed 3* guys. That being said, Doom's black power can be a path to success; it's nasty. I would just pair him with other people, like LazyThor (for red, Yellow, and Green - a perfect compliment to Doom) and maybe Classic Magneto (mainly for his purple, but he also has fast red and blue attacks when you need them in a pinch).

Puritas

Kiamodo wrote:

Too many what ifs for this grouping. I like the creativity. I would exchange doom with psylocke. Faster and stonger tile generation.

psylocke would counter DD's reds

Unknown

Yeah, that's the thing - both Psylocke's and Daredevil's reds are pretty cheap, but if you try to spread the red AP love both of them will end up cheated. You'd want to keep refreshing Psylocke's strike tiles and Daredevil's strength is getting as many traps out as possible, and DD's red damage is super hard to pass up.

I'd like to build a separate team around Psylocke though, she proved herself to me this weekend in the Sim when she was unbuffed and only around level 60.

I don't have a lot of trouble just getting black right off the bat for Doomy's punch tiles, and they hurt. But one technopathic strike with a lot of blue on the board and that's good for the game most of the time, the other black AP comes naturally. Plus the cascades from turning all blue to black is niiice.

The weakest link seems to be IM40 with the dumb yellow tile scarcity and pointless dps skillz. Such a disappointment to the IM family. I'm going to try mStorm a couple of times just to see if the AP battery thing is really worth it.

Puritas

you'd be far better off building a team around psylocke than trying to make one on dd lol

he's pretty much the three star joke character

Unknown

NO! I leveled him and now I love him. I will make him work!

Actually,

Doctor Doom
OBW
Ares

Is a nice comp that all works nicely together. But it's not a 3 star comp, and no Daredevil. But I'm used to running with heals. It's a trade off one way or the other.

Doctor Doom
Spiderman
Daredevil (or whoever)

Should work but alas, my spidey only has one blue cover and so he relies on Daredevil for the stun and just uses yellow, and again yellow tiles aren't available enough to do many heals, just one or two heals, and without webtiles that's weaksauce and not really worth it. My spidey doesn't work well with anyone at the moment tbh, I both love/hate the idea of the future nerf because right when I get him all set up he's going to change.

I don't have anyone else, like cMags or Patch, leveled. I haven't bothered because their covers only take them to around 60-70 range.

Another should-be ultimate comp would be

Doctor Doom
Grey Widow
IM 40

Because rainbow, but then the defensive capability goes way down because the AI doesn't know how to use BWGS' purple skill. And the likelihood of me leveling her green to 5 this year looks to be slim to none.

Honestly I was seriously considering Daken even though he's a little **** in the story, but then I heard about the gold star Daken coming soon. So right now I'm limited by ISO and covers, and I'm pretty good at working with what I got, but...

Unknown

Honestly though, an "ultimate" composition would be using the 3 Gold characters that is gonna be released.

Gold Thor / Gold Capt / Gold Daken

Thor has an insane one-two punch with Yellow/Green.
Capt has two skills that are pretty darned useful every 3 turns in Red/Blue (while generating Protect tiles).
Daken generates Strike tiles for you and covers the damage on Purple/Black.

EDIT1: On your original team, I'd take out DD for someone that covers Green actually, you're missing that coverage... Lazy Thor maybe?
EDIT2: You might have concerns about using the Gold characters because they are cheap, but lemme introduce an old article to you - http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

Unknown

Ah, yeah, that makes sense. My mThor is only one cover at the moment. I guess you guys are flying blind not knowing my roster. I'm sure I will get more mThor covers soon, I have a feeling they won't be rare, but dang, that's a lot of leveling. QQ.

Maybe I'm being too ambitious and should just relax on the 3 star roster for a bit until I have more resources.

over_clocked

But your own original comp has negative synergy (Daredevil places Ambushes on red tiles which Doom needs to place his demons on. Daredevil requires blue tiles to place stun on, which Doom converts to black and matches away. Although I guess that Daredevil hogs all the blue anyway so Doom rarely can fire any his ability).

Unknown

It's a drawback, but it really just requires paying an extra level of attention in placement. Doom doesn't use red AP so it's not exactly negative synergy, not like Doom and Wolverine, who requires pretty much all the red tiles in order to really shine. Good point though.

over_clocked

But you have no hand at placing either Demons or Ambush.

Edit: I forgot that Ambush is unable to erase anything (including your own Demons), but can you confirm that your own Demons erase your own Ambushes? Enemy Demons do so and many friendly abilities too, like mStorm's Hailstorm, IIRC.

Unknown

Demons don't overwrite traps (I'm not positive but pretty sure) and they definitely don't overwrite strike tiles. Traps definitely don't overwrite demons.

So anyway, I've been fiddling around some more and not surprisingly,

Doctor Doom
IM40
OBW

Seems to work better than anything else. There's enough blue for technopathic strike and heals, and aggressive recon blocks the other team while helping to get yellow. Who would've thought. I'm kind of tired of relying on OBW for everything but then again, saves on health packs.

So now I need to find comps for Daredevil and Psylocke.

And I read that article linked above, I get what he's saying, but I've also been the one raving about 1 star mStorm and how uber she is with 2 star Thor and OBW since I came to the forum, and now that's all I see in my bracket in tourneys. I'm looking for that kind of synergy.

Unknown

Yeah, your own demons won't overwrite your own traps, and vice versa. However, the negative synergy is still sort of there, because Daredevil can't place a red trap if there are no regular red tiles, and Doom will only place demons on regular red tiles as well. This is especially bad on defense; Doom won't Summon Demons if there are *no* regular red tiles available, but he will if even one is open, which can waste nearly all of the demons' punch. Also, on defense, strike tiles and demons are major hints as to where the traps can be, since they won't stack, for what that's worth.

All of that said, there is a neat catch-22 in the pairing--Doom forces your opponent to match red or get beat to death by the demons, while Ambush traps kill people who match red too aggressively. If I were facing your group, I'd try to deny appropriate colors and play *very* carefully around red if an Ambush gets out.

Unknown

Vairelome wrote:

All of that said, there is a neat catch-22 in the pairing--Doom forces your opponent to match red or get beat to death by the demons, while Ambush traps kill people who match red too aggressively. If I were facing your group, I'd try to deny appropriate colors and play *very* carefully around red if an Ambush gets out.

See? You and me, sympatico. If we put our heads together we can take the tourneys by storm.

Unknown

In fearless defenders been having actually a lot of fun with mStorm, OBW, Psylocke in the forest...

They generate/deny a crazy amount of AP then OBW heals back some damage and Psy goes berserker ninja on people. I seem to be fodder on defense but the team itself is super fun to play with.