Day 92. Would this idea crush my scaling?

Orchedelia

I'm nearing the stage where my 3*s become useful. All 2*s are championed and primed for the farm. I can clear Big Enchilada 3/4 days. I still haven't been successful with PvP - maybe I'm undervaluing my roster and running scared, but everything I see in PvP seems to be outrageous levels I don't waste time on. I do well in PvE and enjoy it much more.

So...I had this idea to push Patch up to the forefront and max champ him on the spot. I would kill for 435 health every turn!
I know that a good student should not spend CP on 3* covers.
But, jeesh, for 80 CP, I think Patch would rule my Enchilada among other things.

My current Patch is 4 4 and 1 (I would buy 4 for this idea)
https://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Orchedelia/

I have 433,259 in ISO.
What level would Patch become maxchamped and give me that 435 health? (I'm thinking the scaling would ruin me)
Or maybe just softcap his champness for now?

I have will power to wait for the covers; I just wonder if this would play out in my favor and maybe get a lot of bang for my 80CP buck, get more covers, more CP, etc.

MrCrowley

Do you have the combo-pals of patch already well covered?

Daredevil, Loki and Hulk are all best pals with Patch.

Hulk needs to be roughly similar level as patch to form the infamous Hulk bomb. Just put hulk in front of patch in the priority (middle or left side) and patch to the right side of your team.
Hulk needs to have 5 black to deal area damage.

Idea is to collect enough for berserk green and then pop that, keeping hulk to your front.
Strike tiles increase the hulk area damage to enemies, but not to your team, making short work of much higher level teams.

This team eats up some healthpacks, but punches way above its levels.

Orchedelia

nope.....3Hulk is 5 1 1

I can't seem to get that in DDQ today, which is what's pissing me off and making me consider buying 4 Patches

That being said, the 3* are starting to roll in nicely these days....

Bowgentle

MrCrowley wrote:

Do you have the combo-pals of patch already well covered?

Daredevil, Loki and Hulk are all best pals with Patch.

Hulk needs to be roughly similar level as patch to form the infamous Hulk bomb. Just put hulk in front of patch in the priority (middle or left side) and patch to the right side of your team.
Hulk needs to have 5 black to deal area damage.

Idea is to collect enough for berserk green and then pop that, keeping hulk to your front.
Strike tiles increase the hulk area damage to enemies, but not to your team, making short work of much higher level teams.

This team eats up some healthpacks, but punches way above its levels.

OP wants Patch to regen to save Health Packs.
I don't think suggesting a strategy that eats those with every match is appreciated.

Alsmir

1. Is it worth 80 CP?
Yes and no. When you start transmission into 4* land you will most likely regret every single CP you have ever spent on anything other than LTs.
On the other hand, I have spent plenty of CP (200?) on different 3* covers and it sped up my progression by a lot.

But I have to say, 80 CP for just one character is a lot.

2. Patch
He was my first 3* champ. I don like him. At all. Without good supporting characters he sucks. He's passive healing is nice but that's it.
Most of the time I have to hoard green + red AP, then try to finish enemy team in one round. I absolutely hate that Patch creates strike tiles for my enemies, if you can't dealt with those tiles immidiately, you will take massive match damage. I don't need a guy, who's speciality is to quickly kill both teams.

DapperChewie

I would suggest that instead of spending 80cp to bring his yellow to 5, spend 60 to get it to 4, champ him, then respec.

Having one 3* champ won't mess up your scaling too bad, and Patch is a pretty good one to have.

Also remember that December 2nd, youll get a Red cover from DDQ for him. So if you wait until then, you'll save 20cp, possibly more if you're lucky with your taco draws.

As for what Alsmir said above, bring along Loki or She Hulk to compensate for those enemy strikes he makes and you'll be much better off.

(Also, maxchamped refers to when a character is at the highest possible level - 266 for a 3*. You're just talking about champing him, it takes a loooooong time to maxchamp a 3.)

tizian2015

I dont know if a champed patch is killing your scaling, but dont do it as others said until someone like loki is ready. Patch creates attack tiles for both sides so he is only useable to save healthpacks if you dont use his active abilities or you have someone to neutralize those hostile tiles.

There are better 3*s to spend cp for. Im40 should be your priority, or greysuitwidow, cap america if you are mainly a pve-player.

Best is not spending any cp for 3* covers.

Oldboy

Personally, i would save the Cp and iso until you have more 3*s better covered. A champed Patch alone isn't going to help you much. Having said that, i used to use Patch, 3* Daken and 3* Blade quite often when i was in 3* land. I kept Blade slightly underlevelled so that Daken and Patch would tank most colours for him

After the rework of Im40 i used him with 3* Cap and Kamala for every pve.

If you're scared of lightning rounds and pvp, don't be. At this stage you shouldn't be playing for placement but progression. Even then, just get as high as you can for the iso and rewards and don't spend on shields and don't get frustrated if you can't place/progress well. Just take it as another way of supplementing your resources. I used to just hit 300 points and that was good enough for me as that got me a token with a chance for a 3*/4*. With the Elite token at 200 pts you get an additional chance for a 3*

Orchedelia

Thanks guys - good replies.
Yeah, I'm messing with Patch a little more today, and that enemy strike could cause headaches.
(I DID finally get that darned DDQ Enchilda Hulk tonight, though!)

And yes, DapperChewie, I was talking about the act of MAXCHAMPING. Within a week or two, I will probably be sitting on half a million ISO, so the thought occurred...why not just try to maxchamp the bastard (Patch) and go for broke! But the level is what I was wondering about in that respect...and 266 maxchamped would definitely overshoot my scaling.

I'm in no hurry in my game. I don't WANT to go to 4* Land. I never even really got the 2* stuff down, so I want to really milk the 3's and enjoy the characters. I spent my entire 2* life with Ares, 2Torch and OBW....originally married to 2Marvel and 2Thor for a short time.
KK is fun. Blade is fun. I love Mohawk's hailstorm...I literally wring my hands and make my "evil" face when it hits. I don't want to force a shortcut; just had this strategic maxchamp idea I thought might pay off. Now I'm pretty sure it would ruin my fun.

But....435 healing every turn at MY stage of the game??? Tempting! But probably biting off more than I can chew...

Thanks everybody for the insight and not laughing at me!
And thanks for the heads-up about Hulk-bomb, MrCrowley...

Alsmir

Orchedelia wrote:

Thanks guys - good replies.
Yeah, I'm messing with Patch a little more today, and that enemy strike could cause headaches.
(I DID finally get that darned DDQ Enchilda Hulk tonight, though!)

And yes, DapperChewie, I was talking about the act of MAXCHAMPING. Within a week or two, I will probably be sitting on half a million ISO, so the thought occurred...why not just try to maxchamp the bastard (Patch) and go for broke! But the level is what I was wondering about in that respect...and 266 maxchamped would definitely overshoot my scaling.

I'm in no hurry in my game. I don't WANT to go to 4* Land. I never even really got the 2* stuff down, so I want to really milk the 3's and enjoy the characters. I spent my entire 2* life with Ares, 2Torch and OBW....originally married to 2Marvel and 2Thor for a short time.
KK is fun. Blade is fun. I love Mohawk's hailstorm...I literally wring my hands and make my "evil" face when it hits. I don't want to force a shortcut; just had this strategic maxchamp idea I thought might pay off. Now I'm pretty sure it would ruin my fun.

But....435 healing every turn at MY stage of the game??? Tempting! But probably biting off more than I can chew...

Thanks everybody for the insight and not laughing at me!
And thanks for the heads-up about Hulk-bomb, MrCrowley...

You can't maxchamp character with just ISO. You just use ISO for leveling him untill entry level champion (166 for 3*), then extra fee to make him a champion, then you add extra covers (not ISO).

For example:
If you invest CP into him (to put him at 13 covers), you pay ISO to bring him to 166, extra 7,5k for championing. Then each extra cover gives you one more level. Maxchamping will require 100 more covers...

Edit: Even if you could, he still sucks at ~266. I had mine boosted to about 270 in PvE. I used him with IM40 and some random essential character. Patch used his red, then green. I wasn't able to deal with enemy strike tiles and then I started getting 1k damage from every match 3, much more from cascades. 3 healthpacks for that battle.

AsylumTKJ

Max champing is not a matter of iso spent Orchedelia.
You pay your iso to champ the character (166k if I remember well + champing fees), but then, the only way to gain a lvl is to add a cover to him. A cover that you can't buy. So, lvl 166 to 266 is a really looooooooong trip.

MarkersMake

To the OP:

You are not alone. Please read this thread ( viewtopic.php?f=33&t=50817 ) for some useful tips. It's another player who is either slightly ahead of where you are now, or at about the same point. Lots of useful advice in there.

As far as CP goes - spend them on 3* characters pretty much only if:

a) it is a mid to top tier character (check the guides by Polarity and dauthi, and the character ranking by ebolamonkey in the tips and guides section - but keep in mind that some have been reworked since then, like im40)
b) you only need one or two more covers to finish covering them, and
c) they are going to make a huge impact on your gameplay (eg. Iron Fist, Kamala Khan, IM40, etc) OR you have one or two covers for them that are about to expire and champing them is the only way to use them.

Good luck, and have fun!

smoq84

And if you need more Patch covers you can focus on your 2* Wolverine - he will give you 3 covers for Patch while adding champion levels.

jredd

don't ever spend cp buying specific covers. especially 3*. they come easily enough. just slug it out. it's a marathon, not a sprint.

Orchedelia

good grief.

Of course I knew I needed covers to maxchamp....what was I thinking when I posted this!
(to be fair, I had a stroke awhile back, and I lose memory/understanding all the time)
All my 2's are champed, and about to maxchamp my first any day now.

well, perhaps I'll wait a day before posting my thoughts again!

beyonderbub

CP should ONLY be used towards classic legendary tokens. ALL 3* covers are easy enough to acquire thru progression rewards and vaults and event tokens. You just need to exercise patience. The only extreme circumstance I would consider ever using CP for a 3* is if I have other covers for that 3* expiring in my queue that day AND I would be using the CP for the 13th cover needed to champ said 3*, thereby not wasting any potential champ covers.

Others have also posted good advice about making sure Patch has his buddies leveled close for effective combos. Btw, 3 years into this game, I only use Patch for his PVP. Maybe in year 2, when Hulk bombing was a viable strategy, or it was possible to climb in last hour of PVP using Patch/Loki, that may be the last time I've heavily used Patch.

Dormammu

I've spent plenty of CP on 3* characters and never regretted it, it can accelerate your progress greatly. Saving for LTs is great, but when you're in the two-to-three transition worrying about 4-stars is a ways off. But as others have said, I'd only spend CP on top-tier characters... which I don't think Patch is. He can be extremely effective against certain types of goons and will help you in pve, but honestly (depending on your scaling) a maxchamped (level 144) 2* Wolverine or Ares is probably just as dangerous for you at this point, until you have a bigger roster of champed threes. I just don't think Patch's healing is worth the detriment of his enemy-generating tiles and overly expensive red.

revskip

Patch was one of my first 3*s champed and I have never regretted it. One thing I did though was I waited until I had three 3*s that I could champ all within a day or two of each other. Got lucky with covers and was able to champ Black Panther, Hulk and Patch all at once which did affect my scaling for a while forcing me to use those three most of the time for a couple of weeks until I could champ more 3*s.

In my opinion Patch is perfect to be one of the first 3*s you champ especially if you can bring someone along who pairs well with him. But if you can't you do have two great synergy 2*s that play real well with him - 2* Daken and 2* Moonstone. A lot of people don't really like Moonstone but she works great with Patch since her black will allow you to steal enemy special tiles and Patch will be creating them. Daken will generate strike tiles every time you match green which you already need for Patch and also is self healing. To this day I still use that team (with the 3* version of Daken) for lightning rounds. No need to ever use a healthpack = more healthpacks for the tough PVE missions and/or PVP.

I hoarded all my CP while I champed all the 2*s first and then had a short period of hoarding ISO. Gave me some actual playtime with the 2*s who you won't really use much once you make the 3* transition outside of the DDQ. Not rushing through meant having enough ISO to champ a few at a time and not waste covers. That means not spending CP and legendary tokens for a while though, if you have patience it will pay big dividends later.