This game and it's elitist players are toxic.

Azazel

See Title.
Top coalitions just poach players from 11-20. So if you're not in a tight knit relationship with them don't expect a fun "game".

LeafHyren

Everyone is welcome to join the top ranks, as long as they are as dedicated as the rest of the coalition. I can invite you to the Alliance Slack (it requires an email, you're welcome to PM me about it) and you can quickly find a coalition to join there. If not in the top 10 than one affiliated with the top ones and you can earn your spot by doing well in an event or two. There are spots available before every event.

At the end of the day there will be 200 spots in the top 10, that is the nature of the beast. But there is by no means a secret close-knit conspiracy of friends hogging up the top spots. Many do become friends, and work together to make their team better, that is what coalition play is all about. And that is by no means a negative.

Ohboy

LeafHyren wrote:

Everyone is welcome to join the top ranks, as long as they are as dedicated as the rest of the coalition. I can invite you to the Alliance Slack (it requires an email, you're welcome to PM me about it) and you can quickly find a coalition to join there. If not in the top 10 than one affiliated with the top ones and you can earn your spot by doing well in an event or two. There are spots available before every event.

At the end of the day there will be 200 spots in the top 10, that is the nature of the beast. But there is by no means a secret close-knit conspiracy of friends hogging up the top spots. Many do become friends, and work together to make their team better, that is what coalition play is all about. And that is by no means a negative.

I love your attempt to poach a guy complaining about you guys poaching his members.

bk1234

Azazel wrote:

See Title.
Top coalitions just poach players from 11-20. So if you're not in a tight knit relationship with them don't expect a fun "game".

It's not poaching if those players ask to move up -- it's the nature of the beast -- when you get to a certain level of play, you look for a coalition that aligns with your scores.

Corn_Noodles

Ohboy wrote:

I love your attempt to poach a guy complaining about you guys poaching his members.

This is ignorance. LeafHyren is not attempting to poach anyone with what he posted. He is in 4pdaru, which is not part of the Coalition Alliance, but he publicized the Alliance Slack in order to help people find a coalition that suits them. In the past, on Slack, I have defended you as someone that has their heart in the right place in your arguments. I fear I won't be doing that any longer. I suggest you learn a little more about the things and people you are attacking. I hope you will apologize to LeafHyren for your post.

bk1234

LeafHyren wrote:

Everyone is welcome to join the top ranks, as long as they are as dedicated as the rest of the coalition. I can invite you to the Alliance Slack (it requires an email, you're welcome to PM me about it) and you can quickly find a coalition to join there. If not in the top 10 than one affiliated with the top ones and you can earn your spot by doing well in an event or two. There are spots available before every event.

At the end of the day there will be 200 spots in the top 10, that is the nature of the beast. But there is by no means a secret close-knit conspiracy of friends hogging up the top spots. Many do become friends, and work together to make their team better, that is what coalition play is all about. And that is by no means a negative.

That's a big key -- my coalition doesn't just recruit on scores -- we look for people who will fit in with us culturally and will be active members of our community. Having Slack makes that so much better.

Any coalitions are invited to join the MTGPQ Alliance -- we work together for recruiting and stay full for the most part -- top 10s offer more competitive players a home and the other coalitions offer a home to players who don't want that level of gameplay and we ALL do well.

We have a great general community and teams have private opportunities to communicate as well.

But at this point of the game -- game chat isn't enough -- top players are looking for more than just that -- they want to be part of a community of players on their level.

bk1234

Ohboy wrote:

LeafHyren wrote:

Everyone is welcome to join the top ranks, as long as they are as dedicated as the rest of the coalition. I can invite you to the Alliance Slack (it requires an email, you're welcome to PM me about it) and you can quickly find a coalition to join there. If not in the top 10 than one affiliated with the top ones and you can earn your spot by doing well in an event or two. There are spots available before every event.

At the end of the day there will be 200 spots in the top 10, that is the nature of the beast. But there is by no means a secret close-knit conspiracy of friends hogging up the top spots. Many do become friends, and work together to make their team better, that is what coalition play is all about. And that is by no means a negative.

I love your attempt to poach a guy complaining about you guys poaching his members.

Optional Response #1

You're barking up the wrong tree -- LeafHyren is a cool dude who joined slack and NEVER tries to poach alliance members despite the fact that he's not in an alliance coalition. Get the facts.

Optional Response #2

Do you ever have anything nice to say -- or is trolling just your thing?

Fiddler

I am in that 11-20 group and have not seen any agressive poaching. I have 753 cards in the sets masterd, and over 10k QB battles. Ithink i would know.

Alve

FYI, Azazel, sometimes people WANT to join a different group. It's, like, a decision they make. Independently.

I'm in a top 10 group and people leave us all the time - some move to top 2, some move to groups that are more securely in top 10, some decide to tone it down and choose a less competitive team. It's never pleasant to see them go, especially if they are our best players (that's often the case), but you can't really blame people for changing groups in, you know, a mobile game. They want to have fun and if fun for them means having more good cards, you can't really blame them. It's not like you were married. You weren't, right?

You played together for a month or two, hopefully everyone had a good time, now they decided to find people whose play style fits theirs better. Smile and move on. Look around here, on Slack, Reddit and fb - there are always people looking for a team, soon enough you'll have new friends (a change in attitude might help with that).

Ohboy

Corn Noodles wrote:

Ohboy wrote:

I love your attempt to poach a guy complaining about you guys poaching his members.

This is ignorance. LeafHyren is not attempting to poach anyone with what he posted. He is in 4pdaru, which is not part of the Coalition Alliance, but he publicized the Alliance Slack in order to help people find a coalition that suits them. In the past, on Slack, I have defended you as someone that has their heart in the right place in your arguments. I fear I won't be doing that any longer. I suggest you learn a little more about the things and people you are attacking. I hope you will apologize to LeafHyren for your post.

Is he or is he not trying to persuade op to join a top 10 coalition? The same op that's complaining about losing members to top 10 coalitions? That's the irony I was pointing out. Just thought it was hilarious.

I think you're outraged over nothing. I'm sure leafhren didn't see it as an attack.

Ohboy

bken1234 wrote:

Ohboy wrote:

LeafHyren wrote:

Everyone is welcome to join the top ranks, as long as they are as dedicated as the rest of the coalition. I can invite you to the Alliance Slack (it requires an email, you're welcome to PM me about it) and you can quickly find a coalition to join there. If not in the top 10 than one affiliated with the top ones and you can earn your spot by doing well in an event or two. There are spots available before every event.

At the end of the day there will be 200 spots in the top 10, that is the nature of the beast. But there is by no means a secret close-knit conspiracy of friends hogging up the top spots. Many do become friends, and work together to make their team better, that is what coalition play is all about. And that is by no means a negative.

I love your attempt to poach a guy complaining about you guys poaching his members.

Optional Response #1

You're barking up the wrong tree -- LeafHyren is a cool dude who joined slack and NEVER tries to poach alliance members despite the fact that he's not in an alliance coalition. Get the facts.

Optional Response #2

Do you ever have anything nice to say -- or is trolling just your thing?

How is it that no one is seeing the hilarious irony here, and you're all focused on the fact that I'm somehow accusing him of doing something dastardly?

In the first place, there is no mechanism in place for poaching players. It can't be done unless the players themselves reach out voluntarily.

Its just funny that the first response to "my players are getting poached by top 10 coalitions" is "why not join a top 10 coalition?"

Azazel

I only posted this because the players WERE POACHED. Every single case they were asked to leave Aether, as far as I am aware none of them sought out Deadapult or TeamReckless.

So again, elitist tinykitty's will be elitist tinykitty's.

Coppertouret

There's no poaching in competitive gameplay. There's recruiting, sure. If a player is not happy with his current coalition and elects to move to a higher ranking group, you should really only be mad at the coalition that wasn't performing well enough to keep him. How can you be mad at someone that potentially spends money on a game to reap rewards that your group obviously wasn't offering him? This isn't a place for childlike attitudes. I spend money. I want results. I perform. I'm in a top coalition. It's really that simple.

bk1234

Azazel wrote:

I only posted this because the players WERE POACHED. Every single case they were asked to leave Aether, as far as I am aware none of them sought out Deadapult or TeamReckless.

So again, elitist tinykitty's will be elitist tinykitty's.

Again TR did not poach your players -- because I'm an adult, I'm done with this -- I have sent you a PM which you're obviously ignoring, but I will echo publically, some of your players were seeking more competitive coalitions, they found them in more than one top 10. If you'd like help rebuilding your coalition, respond to my PM and I'll help you get into Slack.

Now if you'll excuse me -- I have nodes to clear and adulting to do.

Steeme

I don't agree there's any "poaching" going on. However, the OP's fury stems from the fact that the top coalitions are locking out the rest of the player base from the most valuable rewards. Sure, that's the nature of competition, but it's looking like the rich get richer while the poor get poorer (either by not earning the key mythics or being forced to fork over cash to stay on top of the game).

Why aren't there brackets for coalitions? The most active coalitions should be in their own pool, with a much larger payout. The smaller and less active coalitions can duke it out for their own, smaller prize pool.

Tilikum

#GameHasNoChill

Corn_Noodles

Steeme wrote:

Sure, that's the nature of competition, but it's looking like the rich get richer while the poor get poorer (either by not earning the key mythics or being forced to fork over cash to stay on top of the game).

We can only play the game we are given. This is the system that Hibernum/D3 are using. If you are unhappy, take it up with them. This is not a participation trophy game.

Poohead

Chill out Azazel. The first reason I left is because I don't like your leadership. You do not do anything to build the team. Gemma did the recruiting on Facebook. You just play the game and spew profanities in chat. Justyce left for Deadapult because he wanted a shot in top10. As do I. We're very competitive.

The second reason I left is because you said that you wanted to quit and found is hard to even log in daily. This was evident by me overtaking you in total coalition points and your diminishing contribution in events.

Be an adult and accept the fact that you are to blame. We all left voluntarily. Change your attitude and you may be able to rebuild.

buscemi

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verb: poach; 3rd person present: poaches; past tense: poached; past participle: poached; gerund or present participle: poaching

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LeafHyren

To Ohboy
I focused more on the “if you're not in a tight knit relationship with them don't expect a fun "game" seemed like someone that would have benefited from joining the great community in Slack. You’re right in that I did not know he was a disgruntled coalition leader, and I see the funny in me offering a path to the top based on what you knew at the time lol So both of us lacked complete information.
As to what I see. I see how this “toxic” elitist players would stand for what is fair. I am grateful to be part of a community like this one.

To Azazel
Frankly your efforts were lacking and your team did not stick around because of that, I hope this is not too critical, it does seem to be the case... You heard it from those “poached” teammates…
In good faith I’ve encourage you to join the community in Slack. Not as a new Alliance member (I am not one myself, and they kindly welcomed me), but as a leader wanting what is best for your team. I hope you see that there is no “toxic elitism” and it is more of misperception of the unknown. I was part of teams in the 50’s and then I chose to move to the 20’s eventually became part of a group just as committed to winning as I am. No one ever poached me from a different team haha and I am sure that is the case for most everyone. In fairness though, only once, I reached out to two individuals that I hoped would join my team, two that I respect greatly as individuals and players of the game and at a time where we did not need anyone to be in the top 10 (what could bluntly be called poaching), they both refused and stuck it out in the 11-25 ranks as their decision, they saw a lower ranked coalition as a bigger value for them and to this day I respect that decision greatly and admire their team leader for making his/her members stick around, but it is what they wanted. So I failed at poaching when I tried that one and only time lol. Each player knows where they fit best based on what they want out of the system and by their action make the moves that carry them to where they want to be.
(And this is not recruiting right Ohboy haha I mean he, as an individual player and leader of a coalition, he could benefit from joining the group right?)


Once again, Thank you to those that keep making this community great and fair. And that is pretty much everyone.

yunnnn

Can we all please take a moment and cool down so we can focus on the real issue? Here's a kitten to placate everyone.



The real issue here is the thread title: This game and it's elitist players are toxic.
It is completely wrong to say such a thing, and it makes you look incredibly foolish. "It's" is equivalent to "it is", rather than being possessive. Take a look here: http://grammarist.com/spelling/its-its/

You're welcome,
yunnnnn