3*s champed, now what?

Ramsey

First, my roster: https://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Ramsey8858/. Basically, I have:

1* - I keep Juggs for DDQ and BW (blue cover only) to send out for help

2* - All are champed as I continue selling off the maxed ones and rechamping them

3* - All champed but Sentry and Strange and I'm in no hurry on Sentry

4* - Own all but Morales, none really very usable, highest are 7-cover level 152 Cyclops and Wolverine

5* - Only Hulk with 2 covers and Black Bolt in my inventory with 1 cover

I have about 230k , 4000 , and 1200 . I have not leveled my 5* Hulk or rostered Bolt due to scaling concerns, but I plan on rostering him before his timer is up.

I do the usual stuff (the DDQ every day, lightning rounds midweek) and concentrate more on pve than pvp. I usually place in the top 50 in most pve events and shoot for a 300-400 score in the pvp events. I just don't have the time to go hard on both.

In the past, I have only spent on leveling, on roster spots, and on filling in 3* covers. Now that I'm actually gaining these currencies from my 2/3* roster instead of spending, I'm not sure if there's more I should be doing to accelerate my transition to 4*s. Should I be using to shield myself in pvp and/or buying token packs? Should I be using to buy legendary tokens? Or do I just need to be patient and watch the 4* covers trickle in?

Any advice for making this transition will be appreciated.

udonomefoo

There is absolutely no reason to be sitting on that CP if your highest covered 4's have 7 covers. You'll very likely be able to use every cover you pull.

I wouldn't buy cover packs with HP unless it's a small vault with something you really want. I do the daily deal on heroics every day (100hp) and I'll do the same on event vaults, but only if I want a lot of the rewards that are available. Other than that, use it for shields sparingly.

The only true good use for shields is to get you a reward that's worth the cost. You should easily be able to get to 575 in pvp for the 10 cp without shielding.

Don't blow iso on maxing non-top tier 4*s, wait until you have a few good ones covered. There's nothing wrong with bringing them all up to 120 or so, but I feel sad when I look at someone's roster and the only maxed 4*s they have are starlord and invis woman. That's just a waste of iso.

DeNappa

I consider myself at roughly the same point as you. I have some more 4* and 5* covers, but I only recently champed all of my 3* roster. I also mostly play PVE, although I sometimes go for a season heroic 10-pack.

Imo, you should start spending some of that CP on legendary tokens in order to expand your 4*s. But you might want to take it slowly, seeing you don't have the iso to champ them yet.

Can't really advise on how to approach PVP, as I don't play it much. I don't really care for it, and with the recent Shield clearance levels you can also get more 4* covers from PVE progression which is nice.

abominatrix

I am almost in the same situation you are, except that I have several 4* that are close to 13 covers. So, I can't speak as a 4* player, so take this with a sizeable grain of salt.

As others have said, use you CPs to buy legendary tokens, at least until you get characters fully covered. 1200CP = 60 pulls; you'll probably be happy with the results. Even if you pull a new 5*, you have enough HP to buy the slot, and boosted 3* will be higher level than 5* in PVE, so there's no downside to having them. Once you get a good character to 13 covers, you might want to hold off more pulls until you have the ISO to champ (although you have the ISO to champ one now).

Save your ISO. If you need to level a toon to get through 4* DDQ, then go ahead, but you want to horde ISO for when you ARE ready to level 4*. I have broken this rule somewhat; once I get a character to about 10 covers, I raise them to my soft-cap of 185; this makes them somewhat useful (and some can be very useful when boosted; my 11 cover Cho was a beast in the Strange PVE). I have over a million ISO now, waiting to get a 14th cover of almost anybody.

You can dip your toes into PVP and get some awards. It doesn't hurt, but I'm like the previous poster, I don't find it as fun for some reason, so I only do a little.

Anyway, you're pretty close to starting the 4* transition; using your CP for legendary tokens will help, getting the 4* and CP from shield level 8 in PVE will help, and continuing to play will help.

Good luck!

Ramsey

Thanks a ton for the advice everyone!

The consensus seems to be that I should start spending my CP on legendary tokens, but don't buy more tokens than I have iso to cover. And since I am nowhere near the 5* level, Classic>Latest when it comes to buying the legendary tokens. I assume spending 120 CP on a specific 4* hero's cover is a last resort.

From what I know of the 4* lineup, the top tier are Iceman, Hulkbuster, Cyclops, Red Hulk, Jean Grey, and maybe Peggy? Any other must-haves I should be looking to champ first? Is there a forum topic that covers this best?

I will shoot for that 575 level in each pvp event to get the CP progression. I think what I find frustrating about pvp is the loss of progress unless you spend HP on shields. I achieved max progression on the current SHIELD Simulator recently and then watched as I lost almost 800 points off my season progress. I guess I should have waited till the season was closer to the end to max it out, but I usually wait too long and then it's over, heh.

Thanks again!

Bowgentle

Ramsey wrote:

I achieved max progression on the current SHIELD Simulator recently and then watched as I lost almost 800 points off my season progress. I guess I should have waited till the season was closer to the end to max it out, but I usually wait too long and then it's over, heh.

No, that was absolutely the right decision to grab your 2K with a lot of time remaining in season.
The last few days you would have bled more points than you could gain, since all the top rosters are grabbing their points for season placement, a 3* roster like yours will get destroyed if trying to climb so late.
It's like trying to play PVP in the last 3 hours - not a good idea if you don't have a high level roster.

Ramsey

Gotcha, my pvp experience is very limited when it comes to reaching the higher levels. Thanks!

So, I spent about 600 on legendary tokens, got my final missing 4* hero (Miles Morales), and started leveling up my meager 4* lineup. I also received 4 new 5* heroes, one of which has 3 covers. In fact, I stopped spending (still have 700) on tokens as I've run out of to roster them all.

This leads me to a couple new questions...

1) How far should I level my 4* heroes before it starts screwing with my scaling or I am wasting on mediocre heroes that I will rarely use? Right now, they are all leveled as much as my covers allow. Wolverine is 192 and Cyclops is 172, but no one else is above 131. My is still around 200k.

2) I have not spent any on leveling the two 5* heroes with 2 or 3 covers. Should I avoid spending any on 5* heroes until my 4* lineup is pretty solid?

abominatrix

I'll answer your two questions partially in the hope that if I'm looking at this incorrectly that somebody will correct me.

1. I find that in PVE, my top boosted 3* are in the 275-280 range (your mileage may vary based on what levels your 3* are unboosted and which 3* are boosted in a given week). That's one of the reasons I keep my top 4* at 185; that way, even when essential, the boosted characters aren't a whole lot higher than that, so scaling isn't impacted (my top 3* for Rocket are Blade-283, Beast-277 and Colossus-270; my top 4* is Starlord-270). Note that even if I were to move 4* to 270, there would be no issue unless boosted, so I'll probably do that once I have a 14th character for somebody (almost anybody at this point). As far as Wolverine is concerned; consensus seems to be that he's both more like a 3.5* than a 4*, and that he's ripe for an upgrade. Having him at 190 has no downside, but much higher might get you in trouble when he's boosted. And, there is certainly no downside to leveling Cyclops, although probably not much higher unless you have 5 red.

As a comparison, I have both Starlord (5/1/4) and Cyclops (2/3/4) at 185 and both are boosted this week; I am getting a lot of use out of Starlord and not much out of Cyclops, which goes to show that having a good power at 4-5 covers can be more important than level for 4*

2. My 5* collection is not fantastic; I have almost all of them (except for Bolt and Strange), but the covers I have are not ideal (my most covered is Phoenix, but she's 1/4/1, which is not very usable). So, I haven't put any ISO into any of them. If I had a 6 cover OML with a decent power set, my opinion might change.

Hope that helps.

udonomefoo

Ramsey wrote:

1) How far should I level my 4* heroes before it starts screwing with my scaling or I am wasting on mediocre heroes that I will rarely use? Right now, they are all leveled as much as my covers allow. Wolverine is 192 and Cyclops is 172, but no one else is above 131. My is still around 200k.

2) I have not spent any on leveling the two 5* heroes with 2 or 3 covers. Should I avoid spending any on 5* heroes until my 4* lineup is pretty solid?

#1. Levels won't help you without the right covers. Many 4* powers at level 3-4 are weaker than the best maxed 3* powers, even for the top tier characters. I had Rhulk at 5/4/4 lvl 200 in his recent boost week and he was nearly worthless to me because without 5 in green his aoe did less damage than an unboosted iceman.

You have the top tier list correct in your earlier post. Use your current roster as a guide to how much to level them. If your top 3* character is at lvl 190, then stick close to that until you're ready to max a couple of them at the same time.

#2: Don't put iso into 5*s yet.

Punter1

Lots of good advice here. I'm about 600CP and 20 legendary tokens of spending ahead of you!

Was in a similar situation a few weeks ago, had max champed almost all 3*, had a full 2* farm rolling so was on to 4* world with a slow drip of covers and a bunch of CP and legendary tokens taunting me.

So I started spending them and have got a few usable 4* that I've level capped at 188 currently. Had some luck with my pulls that I've got Peggy, Cyc and Thoress at 10 covers, not ready to be champed but definitely functional and when boosted work alongside my 3*s.

My roster - with Black Bolt, 5Pider, Draz & Moon Knight sitting in my Q following my spending. So back to saving HP to roster those 4 then I'll open some more tokens and spend some more CP.

Ramsey

Back with another question and I figured I might as well use the same topic as last time. My up-to-date roster is linked in the first post.

Now that all my 3*s are champed (except the new Thanos), I'm starting to slowly level my 4*s. Since my highest 3* is 199 with others close behind, I placed an arbitrary cap on my 4* heroes of 200 so as not to throw off my scaling. I now have three 4* heroes at 200 who I have chosen not to level as none of them are the "good ones" - Wolverine, Fury and Spider-Gwen.

As luck would have it, I continued to accumulate Wolverine covers and he's now at 13 (though still level 200). Now, I just got four Colossus covers from the last pve event and two more incoming from the current event. I have him at 182 and, you guessed it, level 183 will give me Wolvie's 14th cover. I can hold on to these Colossus covers for 2 weeks and then the eventual Wolvie cover for another 2 weeks, but in less than a month I will have to make a decision.

Do I sell that 14th Wolverine cover or champ him and risk throwing off my scaling? I do have a bunch of unleveled 5*s at 255, so I wonder if a 271 Wolverine is going to hurt me much. It will cost me about 240k iso, but I have over 900k, so I could afford it if that's the best way to go.

Quebbster

Ramsey wrote:

Back with another question and I figured I might as well use the same topic as last time. My up-to-date roster is linked in the first post.

Now that all my 3*s are champed (except the new Thanos), I'm starting to slowly level my 4*s. Since my highest 3* is 199 with others close behind, I placed an arbitrary cap on my 4* heroes of 200 so as not to throw off my scaling. I now have three 4* heroes at 200 who I have chosen not to level as none of them are the "good ones" - Wolverine, Fury and Spider-Gwen.

As luck would have it, I continued to accumulate Wolverine covers and he's now at 13 (though still level 200). Now, I just got four Colossus covers from the last pve event and two more incoming from the current event. I have him at 182 and, you guessed it, level 183 will give me Wolvie's 14th cover. I can hold on to these Colossus covers for 2 weeks and then the eventual Wolvie cover for another 2 weeks, but in less than a month I will have to make a decision.

Do I sell that 14th Wolverine cover or champ him and risk throwing off my scaling? I do have a bunch of unleveled 5*s at 255, so I wonder if a 271 Wolverine is going to hurt me much. It will cost me about 240k iso, but I have over 900k, so I could afford it if that's the best way to go.

I don't think Wolverine is good enough to be your first champion fourstar unfortunately, and I say that as someone who has relied on him extensively. Wait until you have a top-tier fourstar to take the plunge.
Keep in mind that your PvE scaling and PvP matchmaking will be determined by your highest level character regardless of who it is, so you may be forced to use your fourstar in most fights once you take the plunge.

Ramsey

Thanks for the advice, kind of what I was thinking. I know Wolverine is a lower-tier 4* and it's probably not best to champ him and then start relying on him too much. Ideally, I could get a group of them champed together, like Cyclops, HB, and/or Jean, all of whom I have a decent amount of covers for. Thanks again!

Anyone know of a good topic that explains the scaling well?