PVE: Enemy of the State (2016-10-27 to 2016-11-03)

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  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    monsieurmojo wrote:
    InfernosEnforcer wrote:
    How exactly are the points broken down? I am currently at 68K points with only the essential nodes left (I'll be at around 75K after them). Are the last two sub- events really expected to give 63K points by themselves!? That's basically half the progression points in two sub- events compared to the rest being spread out across 3. I have been doing my 4 clears through each along with additional clears on all nodes but this just seems like too much to actually be able to finish.

    edit: thought the last sub- event was 48 hours

    I was wondering the same thing; I'm at 77,500 after 4x clears on sub 4. 60,000 points for two subs seems pretty steep.
    Again.
    Yes, you will easily make it.
  • GrumpySmurf1002
    GrumpySmurf1002 Posts: 3,511 Chairperson of the Boards
    InfernosEnforcer wrote:
    Are the last two sub- events really expected to give 63K points by themselves!?

    They're always futzing with values, but IIRC the last two subs of the last run gave around 90k combined w/ optimal play. 63k should be child's play.
  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,419 Chairperson of the Boards
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    Ram51 wrote:
    I honestly prefer the spreadsheet format. Better for comparing rewards, and info not spread out.

    I did too but I was only able to see up-to CL6 for some reason, likely because it was really long. Let's be honest though no one will care about CL1-3. By the time new players discover the forums they will be on CL 4 or 5, so you guys should not be wasting your time creating rewards sections for those CL.

    You're probably right Punisher, but I'm a bit of a completionist in that regard (then again, aren't we all here?).

    Appreciate the feedback from you both. I think I can set it up as both (overview spreadsheet, detailed below) as I have it pretty much automated in a spreadsheet. Will take a look for future events.
  • deadtaco
    deadtaco Posts: 409 Mover and Shaker
    Can someone sanity check my speculative scoring? The numbers I have for the last two subs are from the last run and I know they have tweaked the scores on the subs we have played so far, but not by a lot. Just 10-30 here or there. Anyway as you can see I have been doing more than just the 4 clears (2 for waves) that they said is the base required to get progression, but I am not seeing how I will get to 138k without a lot of grinding.
  • monsieurmojo
    monsieurmojo Posts: 370 Mover and Shaker
    deadtaco wrote:
    Can someone sanity check my speculative scoring? The numbers I have for the last two subs are from the last run and I know they have tweaked the scores on the subs we have played so far, but not by a lot. Just 10-30 here or there. Anyway as you can see I have been doing more than just the 4 clears (2 for waves) that they said is the base required to get progression, but I am not seeing how I will get to 138k without a lot of grinding.

    Taco, I do the posting of optimal score/full point clear values for our alliance every morning when sub 1 opens. I have a stack of papers with these old values all over them, and your numbers look pretty spot on. One thing they tend to do with every event is have sub 1 worth 1.0x, and the last sub worth 2.0x, and the intermediate values fall at increasing intervals in between (a three-day event would be 1.0-1.5-2.0, a four-day 1.0-1.3-1.6-2.0,and so on), and you can usually get a fairly accurate projection just doing that off of sub 1's value. I knew right away that these values were off. It looks to me like what happened is they're requiring 4x full point clears of all nodes, wave nodes included, to get to 138k.
  • Ruinate
    Ruinate Posts: 528 Critical Contributor
    GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:
    InfernosEnforcer wrote:
    Are the last two sub- events really expected to give 63K points by themselves!?

    They're always futzing with values, but IIRC the last two subs of the last run gave around 90k combined w/ optimal play. 63k should be child's play.

    I hope you are right. I only have 89k with 1 sub left. Second to last sub was only worth 19k after starting the timer on all nodes.
  • roberts_2
    roberts_2 Posts: 126 Tile Toppler
    So boring fights, now with gorgon icon_neutral.gif
    My enemy waves among the others, last sub has all fights visible but this have waves.

    HAND FORTRESS
    • Rescue & Revenge: Konran (31), ShinobiX2 (30)
    • Sea of red: 2 waves (22-53)
      • ShinobiX2 (52), Teisatsu (51)
      • Kishu (22), TeisatsuX2 (22), Teisatsu (23), Shinobi (23), Konran (22), Teisatsu (23)
    • Here she is: 4 waves (63-84)
      • Gorgon (84), Kishu (84), Shinobi (84)
      • ShinobiX2 (63), Teisatsu (63), Teisatsu (63)
      • TeisatsuX2 (84), Konran (84),
      • Gorgon (84), KishuX2 (84)
    • 4th Chamber: Kishu (151), KonranX2 (151)
    • The work: Gorgon (170), ShinobiX2 (170)
    • Bring down the hand: 4 waves (145-146)
      • TeisatsuX2 (145, 146), Shinobi (146)
      • KonranX3 (145, 146, 146)
      • ShinobiX2 (145, 146), Kishu (146)
      • Gorgon (146), Kishu (146), Shinobi (145)
    • Johnny Storm: Gorgon (81), Konran (80), Shinobi (80)
    • Quicksilver: 1 wave (51-51)
      • Shinobi (51), TeisatsuX2 (51), Konran (51), Teisatsu (51), Teisatsu (51), Konran (51), Kishu (51)
    • Cyclops: Gorgon (170), KishuX2 (170)
  • deadtaco
    deadtaco Posts: 409 Mover and Shaker
    monsieurmojo wrote:
    It looks to me like what happened is they're requiring 4x full point clears of all nodes, wave nodes included, to get to 138k.

    But you can't get 4 full point clears of waves as the points decrease after 2. By the the 4th clear they are not worth much.

    Unless you meant they mistakenly expected that many points, in which case you may be right.
  • monsieurmojo
    monsieurmojo Posts: 370 Mover and Shaker
    deadtaco wrote:
    Unless you meant they mistakenly expected that many points, in which case you may be right.

    Yeah, this! I went through your sheet and added the points totals for two extra wave node clears to the current full point clear total, and it comes to almost exactly max progression.
  • elusive
    elusive Posts: 261 Mover and Shaker
    I thought that maybe I'd somehow messed up and missed doing 4 clears on all of the nodes so far, seeing as how I'm still really far away from progression (roughly 48,000 away after doing the usual amount of clears on the second to last day), but if you guys are right and they messed up/changed it, then that wouldn't surprise me.
  • InfernosEnforcer
    InfernosEnforcer Posts: 24 Just Dropped In
    I just did the math and I'm going to be 11K off after my initial clears. Anyone know how it works out once the point scores start going down for each node?
  • Ruinate
    Ruinate Posts: 528 Critical Contributor
    Going to be 16k short after the initial clears for last sub. I guess we were supposed to hit the waves 4 times. Dammit. Did they take into account that wave points go down after 2 clears?
  • irwando
    irwando Posts: 263 Mover and Shaker
    I filed an issue for this:

    https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=54233

    7 day events already mean 1/2 the cp and other rewards for the week, and I'm sure we would all have played differently if we knew how progression was calculated.
  • Gmax101
    Gmax101 Posts: 182 Tile Toppler
    I think I am going to need circa 34,000 points for the final sub.

    I have green checked everything, but not ground to 0 and lost maybe 12 hours recharge on the counters in most subs due to real life... but certainly 4 clears of each sub, plus 2 clears of each wave is MILES away from progression on this event.
  • deadtaco
    deadtaco Posts: 409 Mover and Shaker
    Here is what I posted inthe Bug thread (I suggest everyone who thinks they will be short, post in this thread. The more they see the more attention it should get)

    Here is an image of my scoring spreadsheet up to the current sub. As you can see I have done more than just the required "full point clears" (4 for normal nodes, 2 for waves) and still need 47638 points for progression. I don't think the last sub will provide that.

    Here is an image where I filled in the remaining sub with full point clears. The node points colored purple might be off, they are from previous runs. The yellow boxes at the bottom are actual point values for each sub that I have gotten so far - except of course the last sub.

    According to all this, I will still be more than 23K away from progression even though I have done what the devs said was required. Please let us know what is going on.
  • Rick_OShay
    Rick_OShay Posts: 765 Critical Contributor
    Wow, I've just cleared all nodes of the final sub (4 each, 2 of wave nodes), and still need 7,084 points to reach max progression [130,916 of 138,000].
    In previous subs I cleared each normal node 5 or 6 times, and each wave node 3 or 4 times.
    Now that the timers are running on the final sub, the points currently only add up to 6,150.
    So, by the end of this sub I'll barely make it, assuming point accrual adds plenty more, and I run more clears than I really should have to do to max out.
    I'm sure they will state that more Enemy of the State tokens were able to be earned (I'm at 18 out of the 80 which is good), but that doesn't make up for the extra effort we are putting in (or would have knowing the points spreads are more difficult).
  • Poodlec
    Poodlec Posts: 50 Match Maker
    Same here 123k points roughly(no Cyke for essential nodes). So i guess there is no CP in this one for me...
  • InfernosEnforcer
    InfernosEnforcer Posts: 24 Just Dropped In
    Rick OShay wrote:
    Wow, I've just cleared all nodes of the final sub (4 each, 2 of wave nodes), and still need 7,084 points to reach max progression [130,916 of 138,000].
    In previous subs I cleared each normal node 5 or 6 times, and each wave node 3 or 4 times.
    Now that the timers are running on the final sub, the points currently only add up to 6,150.
    So, by the end of this sub I'll barely make it, assuming point accrual adds plenty more, and I run more clears than I really should have to do to max out.
    I'm sure they will state that more Enemy of the State tokens were able to be earned (I'm at 18 out of the 80 which is good), but that doesn't make up for the extra effort we are putting in (or would have knowing the points spreads are more difficult).
    Aside from the fact that I am somehow 11K back this is the exact same situation I am in. I have put in twice the effort on this event that I have on any other one since I started going for full progression, and yet I am behind somehow. For the others my 4 clears (or 2 on waves) was enough and I would even end up getting a couple extra thousand past in some cases. But on this one it just doesn't seem to be that worthwhile to bother with. Is it possible that the issue was the first sub- event being 48 hours and not giving enough points to make up for it? Because that is the one I put in the least effort into.
  • BlackWidower
    BlackWidower Posts: 250 Mover and Shaker
    I reached max progression about an hour ago, but have done WAY more than 4 rounds per node/ per sub event and just barely made it through.

    You definitely had to grind all the way in this event or you will not make it through. Oh and all to win a spider man at the end and literally every single Enemy of the State token was a 2*. Frustrating.
  • roberts_2
    roberts_2 Posts: 126 Tile Toppler
    Triumph and Quicksilver waves are the most boring fights i have on long time. For info on the waves and avoid Gorgon first attack, my run:

    NICK FURY RESCUE
    • Back with us: ShinobiX2 (30), Pyro (31)
    • Whack-A-Mole: KishuX2 (39), Analyst (39)
    • Adamantium Fury: 3 waves (84-84)
      • Konran (84), TeisatsuX2 (84)
      • Gorgon (84), SniperX2 (84)
      • KishuX3 (84)
    • Code of honor: Soldier (151), Shinobi (151), Kishu (151)
    • Berserker inside: Gorgon (170), Soldier (170), Commander (170)
    • Triumph: 6 waves (145-146)
      • Gorgon (146), Shinobi (146), Sniper (145)
      • Konran (146), TeisatsuX2 (146, 145)
      • Gorgon (146), Kishu (146), Soldier (145)
      • Soldier (145), Analyst (146), Grenadier (146)
      • Konran (145), Teisatsu (146), Lieutenant (145)
      • Gorgon (146), Konran (146), Kishu (145)
    • Johnny Storm: Spy (80), Lieutenant (81), Sniper (80)
    • Quicksilver: 5 waves (102-136)
      • ShinobiX2 (146), Commander (136)
      • Gorgon (102), TeisatsuX2 (102), Shinobi (102)
      • Konran (136), SoldierX2 (136)
      • Teisatsu (136), Kishu (136), Pyro (136)
      • Gorgon (136), Lieutenant (136), Commander (136)
    • Cyclops: Commander (170), Lieutenant (170), Grenadier (170)

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