Which line gets the crit?

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Far too often, I find myself in situations where I make a crit tile, and it falls in line with multiple match lines. What gets priority? By priority, I mean which line gets the benefit of the crit. I know that one will get the benefit of the critical, the second line will still disappear and generate AP, getting credit for the wild card nature of the crit tile, but the effect won't be a critical.

I thought of a variety of guesses, but I can't seem to confirm any one over the other.

-do color matches get priority over environmental title matches? (partly true)

-do 5s get priority over 4s, which get priority over 3s? (false)

-do horizontals get priority over verticals? (false)

Edit:

First off, credit to Beezer37_84 for teaching me that team orientation plays a part in battle. (viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4853)

In a nutshell, if you come into combat with characters with equal match strengths, the game uses the order on the team selection screen to decide who takes which color. The order is center, left, right. On the boost screen, it's left to right (left, center, right)



In this setup, the colors would be controlled as follows:

Yellow: 52 Magneto
Red: 60 Hulk (Beats Magneto's 60 due to team orientation)
Blue: 67 Magneto
Purple: 67 GSWidow
Green: 67 Hulk
Black: 52 Hulk (Beats GSWidow's 52 due to team orientation)
ET: 4 GSWidow

So, crit ties. I'll start by focusing on ET (environmental tiles) because that's what caused this whole research for me, wanting to make ET crits. Which line gets the crit is based on the same team orientation priority. In this setup I have here, GSWidow is in charge of my ETs. Since she's behind Hulk, any ET crit ties with any of Hulk's colors will go to the colors.

ET and Red = Red gets crit bonus
ET and Green = Green gets crit bonus
ET and Black = Black gets crit bonus

Widow is in charge of Purple. In the case of a tie between ETs and a color your ET character controls, the color also wins.

ET and Purple = Purple gets crit bonus

Now, since Magneto is in spot3, his match colors lose priority to the ETs in a crit tie.

ET and Blue = ETs get the crit bonus
ET and Yellow = ETs get the crit bonus

Strength of the color makes no difference.
Crit bonus multiplier makes no difference.
Specific characters make no difference.

All that matters is what order your team is set in, and who controls which color.

Lets say for example, I were to reorganize my team to:

Left: Magneto
Center: GSWidow
Right: Hulk

We'd get the following results:

Yellow: 52 Magneto
Red: 60 Magneto (Beats Hulk's 60 due to team orientation)
Blue: 67 Magneto
Purple: 67 GSWidow
Green: 67 Hulk
Black: 52 GSWidow (Beats Hulk's 52 due to team orientation)
ET: 4 GSWidow

ET crit ties would look as follows:

ET and Yellow = ETs get crit bonus (GSWidow has priority over Magneto)
ET and Red = ETs get crit bonus (GSWidow has priority over Magneto)
ET and Blue = ETs get crit bonus (GSWidow has priority over Magneto)
ET and Purple = Purple gets crit bonus (internal GSWidow, color takes priority)
ET and Green = ETs get crit bonus (GSWidow has priority over Hulk)
ET and Black = ETs get crit bonus (internal GSWidow, color takes priority)

On a strategic note, if you want your crit ties to go to your ETs, put your ET match character center. If you want all the ties to go to your colors, put them in the right spot. If your ET match character is in the right spot, your ET crit ties will never go to your ETs. This is because every color will either be controlled by spot 1 or 2, thereby takig priority from the ETs, or spot 3, making it an internal conmpare, giving priority to the color.

As far as one color versus another in a crit tie, the same logic applies. Strengths don't matter, higher numbers of tiles don't matter.

Example:



In this screenshot, I lay a crit tile on the highlighted spot.

Green is controlled by Wolvie2star, lvl 29, center spot, 19 str, 4.0 crit
Black is controlled by GSWidow, lvl 141, left spot, 52 str, 4.0 crit

The greens took the crit, even though GSWidow had more damage, and more tiles matching. Wolvie2star had the team orientation priority.

So, keep this in mind when matching crits, it could mean the difference between and 150 crit and a 1,150 crit.

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was thinking of posting this too

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I think the line that belong to the character with the highest crit factor. If that make sense. So if you are matching a crit tile into a purple/red match with the purple match belong to OBW and the red match for thor then the crit would go the the purple match since OBW have a 4x crit factor while the thor only 3.5

Also i am 100% sure colour tiles match get priorities over environment match.

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I've had environment tiles take the crit over colors before. I notice because most of the time, that's what I want to happen. Critting ETs on the forest for thorned rose out prioritizes any crit damage Imo, but I'll look into this crit value idea.

Bump for ideas!

mischiefmaker

Ooh, I hadn't considered Justdangit's theory! Should be easy enough to test using Chawkeye; I'll do that when I have some time if nobody else does it first.

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Green match, 2 tiles, Hulk, 3.0 crit, 67 str
Versus
Environment match, 2 tiles, GSWidow, 4.0 crit, 4 str

Green Hulk took it.

Yellow match, 2 tiles, OHawkeye, 4.5 crit, 11 str
Versus
Environment match, 2 tiles, GSWidow, 4.0 crit, 4 str

Environment Widow took it.

In my scenario, the Hulk one was part of the cascade, off a crit made with magnetic field, and the Hawkeye one was a tile replacement with take aim.

Go get it guys!

mischiefmaker

Bah, so sounds like the crit factor theory is wrong.

Do you remember what the matches were? Horizontal, vertical, straddle (tile-critical-tile), linear (tile-tile-critical), etc?

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I wondered this, as well. It seems like I rarely get the maximum damage in these "multiple crit" situations. Perhaps it is the character standing in front (that made the previous match) that gets priority?

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I remember the Hawkeye match was a plus, crit in the middle, I'm going to do some screenshots and do some research. I like the front toon idea, but what if your ET matcher is the same as the color? Like it's ETs and purple, which both belong to GSWidow on my team?

I wish a dev would just tell us.

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Team order: Panther, Mags, GSWidow

Mag red 60 str 3.2 crit
Pant blk 57 str 3.5 crit

Black took

Pwuz_

I wonder if the total attack value plays a factor as well.

Example:
One higher level character has a lower Crit, but 2nd lower level character has a higher Crit.

So a maxed level Juggernaut has a Crit of x3, but an unleveled Hood with a Crit of x4.5 have a chance to match Red & Blue.

If Juggernaut matches Red for 22x3x3=198, but Hood matching Blue for the same Crit on Blue 10x3x4.5=135.

Juggernaut would take the Crit if it's based on total attack, but Hood would take the Crit if it's based on the Crit multiplier.

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That's so much math to do everytime, and how do you factor in environmental tiles? Cuz I've seen them take priority over colors, and there's virtually no situation where ETs will out value damage.

Eddiemon

Youzerfriendly wrote:

That's so much math to do everytime, and how do you factor in environmental tiles? Cuz I've seen them take priority over colors, and there's virtually no situation where ETs will out value damage.

Actually if the character with your best crit multiplier has to choose between environmental and their worst colour environment may win.

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It seem my crit factor theory is incorrect. I have been testing out in the past two day and i notice the crit favor certain character more than other. So it might have some thing to do with matching priority assign to each character. Kinda like how Hulk will always make an environment match when no one on the team have a env factor of 4. So may be crit also use the same priority as the environment matching priority. So character like Hulk, Black Widow and Hawkeye have higher priority. And character with 4 env factor will take the crit if the other two member only have env factor of 3.

I just wish there was like a combat log(like one use in dota2) to let use know what actually happen. If we can have better understanding of the game mechanic it can give us hardcore player an edge over casual player.

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Eddiemon wrote:

Youzerfriendly wrote:

That's so much math to do everytime, and how do you factor in environmental tiles? Cuz I've seen them take priority over colors, and there's virtually no situation where ETs will out value damage.

Actually if the character with your best crit multiplier has to choose between environmental and their worst colour environment may win.

Characters' strengths go above 3 around level 15. So unless it's your first 4 days of playing, your colors will overpower your ETs. And I've seen ETs (at 4) match over colors (at 50+), so, it's not pure highest power.

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Order: Hawkeye, Mags, GSWidow

Red, Mags, 60 str, 3.2 crit, 3 tiles
ET, Widow, 4 str, 4.0 crit, 2 tiles

Red took.

Conclusions:
-NOT highest crit

Possible:
-highest number of tiles
-team priorities

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Order: Hawkeye, Mags, GSWidow

Purple, Widow, 67 str, 4.0 crit, 2 tiles
ET, Widow, 4 str, 4.0 crit, 2 tiles

Purple took.

Unknown

Order: GSWidow, Magneto, Hawkeye

Red, Mags, 60 str, 3.2 crit, 2 tiles
ET, Widow, 4 str, 4.0 crit, 2 tiles

ETs took.

I THINK that team order takes priority.
If the same person is matching both sets, strength takes precedence?

Thoughts?

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Youzerfriendly wrote:

Order: GSWidow, Magneto, Hawkeye

Red, Mags, 60 str, 3.2 crit, 2 tiles
ET, Widow, 4 str, 4.0 crit, 2 tiles

ETs took.

I THINK that team order takes priority.
If the same person is matching both sets, strength takes precedence?

Thoughts?

Didnt you read my last comment. Some character have higher matching priority than other, You can see with most of your case that widow is the character getting the match since her matching priority is very high. The only one exception where the red magneto took the match is because that is a match 4.
The character with high match making priority right now are Hulk, GSBW,OBW,MBW for most that i know. I dont really know their position yet but would really like to know.

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No character has a match priority over any other independently. I'm pretty sure I've figured it out, but I'm waiting till I get home to type it up.

In a nutshell, it's based around the system the game uses to break strength ties. The character in the center on the team select screen is first, the one on the left is second, the right is third.

In a multi crit situation, the color being represented by your highest priority character will get the crit. If your ET matcher is in spot 1, the ETs will take the crit as long as the other color belongs to your spot 2 or 3 toon. If the the other color belongs to your ET match character, it looks like the color takes priority over the ETs.

I don't think crit bonus stat matters, I don't think number of tiles being crit matters either.

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Yeah, I just did this set:

Order: Magneto, GSWidow, Hawkeye

Green, Magneto, 11 str, 3.2 crit, 2 tiles
Black, GSWidow, 52 str, 4.0 crit, 2 tiles

Green took it.

But Magneto has the team priority, so his greens take the crit, even though the black would have done 5 times more dmg.