Engulf the Shore OP?

SlycerX
SlycerX Posts: 8
edited October 2016 in MtGPQ General Discussion
Hey guys, I've been playing a month or so now, so I'm still kinda new to the game, but recently I ran across Engulf the Shore and in my amateur opinion it's OP. I'm fine with all the other mythics but this one is basically a boardwipe only on the opponent's side and all the creatures get sent to top of library. And the kicker is that the real magic card is nothing like the PQ version (affects everyone, returns to hand, Island restriction)...

I wanna know what the more experienced players think about this though, because I might just be overreacting and that this is a perfectly balanced card =/

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  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    I've just got an Engulf the Shore, and I can state categorically that it's not OP. Prism Array is OP, because I haven't got one, but when I get one, it won't be OP any more. That's how it works.
  • Mangus 73
    Mangus 73 Posts: 109 Tile Toppler
    Are you joking? Displacement wave???
  • blacklotus
    blacklotus Posts: 589 Critical Contributor
    Mangus 73 wrote:
    Are you joking? Displacement wave???

    the difference is displacement wave is a board wipe for everyone. Engulf only board wipes your opponent, leaving your own creatures free of defenders to continue the mayhem.

    but yeah, engulf will be my new Favourite blue card once I have it. icon_e_smile.gif
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Displacement Wave is still useful if you're playing one of those long tedious games with secondary objectives, and you're desperately trying not to win the game too quickly.
  • EDHdad
    EDHdad Posts: 609 Critical Contributor
    Engulf the Shore is far from OP when Transgress the Mind can rip it from your hand for 3 mana, Infinite Obliteration can rip it for 6, and Liliana can rip it for free.

    In my experience, 90% of the time I have Engulf the Shore, it is a dead card in my hand. 90% of the time I actually cast it, it only bounces one or two creatures (one of which is usually a frog token from Turn to Frog).

    As mentioned on another thread, I used to have Engulf the Shore in all of my blue decks and recently replaced it with Disperse. I'd rather send things back to their hand one-at-a-time for 4 mana than send everything back all-at-once for 18.
  • Buret0
    Buret0 Posts: 1,591
    It doesn't even make octopi.
  • paralistalon
    paralistalon Posts: 153
    It's pretty good but you can always keep a few creatures fully charged in your hand if you're nervous it might mess you up too bad.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    EDHdad wrote:
    Engulf the Shore is far from OP when Transgress the Mind can rip it from your hand for 3 mana, Infinite Obliteration can rip it for 6, and Liliana can rip it for free.


    If you need some help playing around discard strategies, I'd be happy to give you some advice!

    The best method is usually to place a low cost card at position 1 in your hand and turn it off... something like a Demolish, Not Forgotten, or Disperse. It'll fill up with mana quicky, and then you can play the rest of your hand as normal, safe in the knowledge that the discard effect will hit that card first before any of your other cards.
  • EDHdad
    EDHdad Posts: 609 Critical Contributor
    The best method is usually to place a low cost card at position 1 in your hand and turn it off... something like a Demolish, Not Forgotten, or Disperse.

    So what you're saying is that I should replace Engulf the Shores with Disperse.

    Thank you. That's exactly what I'll do.
  • Rogan_Josh
    Rogan_Josh Posts: 140 Tile Toppler
    Blue has been hurting for some tempo advantage for a while now. I don't think there is a blue card that is OP currently.

    With the new Jace and the SOI set mono blue is actually on top form. Now if only Harbringer of the Tides was a 6/6 that killed creatures it couldn't bounce...
  • paralistalon
    paralistalon Posts: 153
    Harbinger is so good, but I end up cutting it from most of my blue decks because it takes up a valuable creature slot that I want to fill with something better than a 4/4. I've also ended up taking out Disperse because that "5 or less cards in hand" restriction actually comes up a lot for me (but then again I tend to run cards like Fevered Visions and Sphinx's Tutelage that keeps the AI's hand filled), and it's not the best against creatures with strong comes-into-play abilities like Tyrant. Even recently I've replaced Turn to Frog with Scour from Existence; for only 3 mana more, you can avoid situations where the AI buffs that frog to a 10/10 next turn with abilities and supports!
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Rogan Josh wrote:
    Blue has been hurting for some tempo advantage for a while now. I don't think there is a blue card that is OP currently.

    With the new Jace and the SOI set mono blue is actually on top form. Now if only Harbringer of the Tides was a 6/6 that killed creatures it couldn't bounce...

    Blue has all the OP cards.

    Exert influence is a 2 card swing that steals your best creature.

    Crush of tentacles should really be self explanatory.

    Prism array, even the nerfed version is an above average rare.

    Day's undoing resets hands(removes stored answers) and ensures you come out ahead with a 15 mana advantage.
  • Rogan_Josh
    Rogan_Josh Posts: 140 Tile Toppler
    Ohboy wrote:
    Rogan Josh wrote:
    Blue has been hurting for some tempo advantage for a while now. I don't think there is a blue card that is OP currently.

    With the new Jace and the SOI set mono blue is actually on top form. Now if only Harbringer of the Tides was a 6/6 that killed creatures it couldn't bounce...

    Blue has all the OP cards.

    Exert influence is a 2 card swing that steals your best creature.

    Crush of tentacles should really be self explanatory.

    Prism array, even the nerfed version is an above average rare.

    Day's undoing resets hands(removes stored answers) and ensures you come out ahead with a 15 mana advantage.

    Again, non of those are particularly OP. sure, card for card they seem broken but taking blues card pool as a whole it compares a little less than, say red's card pool. Every colour has a few silver bullets.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    EDHdad wrote:
    The best method is usually to place a low cost card at position 1 in your hand and turn it off... something like a Demolish, Not Forgotten, or Disperse.

    So what you're saying is that I should replace Engulf the Shores with Disperse.

    Thank you. That's exactly what I'll do.


    No, you don't understand... If you run Disperse in your deck, you can use it to *protect* your Engulf the Shore from discard in the manner I described. If you want me to go into greater detail about how this strategy works, I shall be happy to. Honestly I'm surprised you never figured it out for yourself.
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    shteev wrote:
    EDHdad wrote:
    The best method is usually to place a low cost card at position 1 in your hand and turn it off... something like a Demolish, Not Forgotten, or Disperse.

    So what you're saying is that I should replace Engulf the Shores with Disperse.

    Thank you. That's exactly what I'll do.


    No, you don't understand... If you run Disperse in your deck, you can use it to *protect* your Engulf the Shore from discard in the manner I described. If you want me to go into greater detail about how this strategy works, I shall be happy to. Honestly I'm surprised you never figured it out for yourself.


    Both are usable cards in niche scenarios. No need to argue about it.

    Disperse fizzles with hexproof and full hand. Engulf loses out when opponent plays small or few creatures.

    Both scenarios are equally likely to occur in the current meta.
  • blacklotus
    blacklotus Posts: 589 Critical Contributor
    Ohboy wrote:
    Rogan Josh wrote:
    Blue has been hurting for some tempo advantage for a while now. I don't think there is a blue card that is OP currently.

    With the new Jace and the SOI set mono blue is actually on top form. Now if only Harbringer of the Tides was a 6/6 that killed creatures it couldn't bounce...

    Blue has all the OP cards.

    Exert influence is a 2 card swing that steals your best creature.

    Crush of tentacles should really be self explanatory.

    Prism array, even the nerfed version is an above average rare.

    Day's undoing resets hands(removes stored answers) and ensures you come out ahead with a 15 mana advantage.

    the nerfed prism array is a bug as mentioned by JC. it will hopefully get back its OPness in the next patch. icon_e_smile.gif
  • Pqmtg-
    Pqmtg- Posts: 282
    shteev wrote:
    EDHdad wrote:
    The best method is usually to place a low cost card at position 1 in your hand and turn it off... something like a Demolish, Not Forgotten, or Disperse.

    So what you're saying is that I should replace Engulf the Shores with Disperse.

    Thank you. That's exactly what I'll do.


    No, you don't understand... If you run Disperse in your deck, you can use it to *protect* your Engulf the Shore from discard in the manner I described. If you want me to go into greater detail about how this strategy works, I shall be happy to. Honestly I'm surprised you never figured it out for yourself.


    I'm really hoping this obvious strategy is obvious to everyone, and not some secret skill like you think it is.
  • Feagul
    Feagul Posts: 114
    Pqmtg- wrote:
    I'm really hoping this obvious strategy is obvious to everyone, and not some secret skill like you think it is.
    Nothing to see here. shteev is just shteeving people again.

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