are more desirable mythics made harder to obtain?

Avacyn

I have dropped hundreds of dollar this past week and hundreds more during the mana crystal sale trying to get specific cards to my collection.
But no matter how many big boxes I open. I only get dup rare/mythic I already have (and a few new ones that I wasn't looking for). And none of the ones I really spend my money on hoping to get.

So I have to ask. are mythic like drowner of Hope, Linvala, the Preserver, Omnath, Locus of rage made harder to obtain vs other mythics like Goldnight Castigator, Sir of Stagnation or chandra's ignition to name a few of what I feel are lesser mythics.

because in my experience, every big box I have opened so far I can't find what I desire most. And not a single dragon out of the 15 (300 dollars) big boxes of reds this week.
I have opened at least 10 big boxes for each color so far. since it started with green. screenshot below not including other bundle and exclusives I spend my money on.

with the amount of money I spend trying to get the few cards I really want, I could of bought the entire SoI set on paper. if this drop rate isn't absurd in this game I don't know what is.

glggwp

that's why you should always buy the mythics when they are purchasable directly with cash. rares are usually not worth buying but i buy them anyway. i bought linvala and omnath and have only seen them appeared once in my packs. i believe desired cards are harder to get than others regardless of the tier they are at.

Tilikum

You ever play a game at a carnival? It's pretty much like that.

Avacyn

I have missed out when they were exclusive purchases.

They should have cards with purchasable options in this game. because it really hard to justify spending money on boosters having highly unlikely chances of getting the stronger mythics you really desire. and for completing sets.

this can be the reason why this game isn't blowing up. no other MTG base game is this acquisitive with their cards. magic duels for example, always guarantees a rare or higher quality through each pack you buy (and kaladesh is releasing on it next week). And you don't receive more than 4 copies of each card in that game. whereas here. you get so many dups you could of had countless copies of the same deck.

I guess people here are just desensitized on the matter, and those that are outraged about this already left...because judging by the responds people seem ok with having the chances of obtaining higher quality mythics close to none through boosters.

Mangus 73

Shout as loud as want about it. The devs have money stuffed in their ears.

Rogan_Josh

Avacyn wrote:

because it really hard to justify spending money on boosters having highly unlikely chances of getting the stronger mythics you really desire. and for completing sets.

Then why did you do it? If someone offers you a scam, and you know it's a scam, why give them the money?

The booster packs are a mess, everyone knows it. It's a successful system. Worked wonders for Marvel PQ.

Other than the artificial percentages partitioning the mythics, rares, etc the pull is totally random, which is why we end up pulling doubles in the same bloody pack. This is not how the paper boosters work, though there is a random element involved you will receive roughly the same number of rare, uncommon and commons in every pack (though you also have a chance to gain extras as well).

Look, it's galling i know. Everyone wants this game to expand and become more fair. It's just not going to happen. You just have to make the decision about whether you keep playing or not.

paralistalon

Wow. So you've already spent over a thousand dollars on this game (maybe even $1500) and not a single dragon? I suddenly don't feel as bad about not getting a single new card from ONE of the red big boxes! I also don't have any dragons, but I've picked up a few other good mythics like crush along the way. I would love to compare our collections! I have spent maybe $30 total in the game and feel like I have a pretty good collection and that if I was to spend more money, I would instantly be flooded with duplicates and regret it. Still, I'm sure someone at D3 is reading this and going, if we were more generous with the drops, we probably wouldn't get people like Avacyn to chain buy so many big boxes! I'm thinking a loyalty program might be nice, like an ultra crystal shard with each big box you buy, and you can trade a certain number of shards for a non-dupe mythic for your collection.

Pqmtg-

Rogan Josh wrote:

Avacyn wrote:

because it really hard to justify spending money on boosters having highly unlikely chances of getting the stronger mythics you really desire. and for completing sets.

Then why did you do it? If someone offers you a scam, and you know it's a scam, why give them the money?

The booster packs are a mess, everyone knows it. It's a successful system. Worked wonders for Marvel PQ.

Other than the artificial percentages partitioning the mythics, rares, etc the pull is totally random, which is why we end up pulling doubles in the same bloody pack. This is not how the paper boosters work, though there is a random element involved you will receive roughly the same number of rare, uncommon and commons in every pack (though you also have a chance to gain extras as well).

Look, it's galling i know. Everyone wants this game to expand and become more fair. It's just not going to happen. You just have to make the decision about whether you keep playing or not.

That's actually how paper boosters used to work. Then they ensured there weren't repeats, and this led to the mess of mapped boxes.

Random is always fair. Tweaking to make it more "fair" is how you make it possible to be unfair.

Fiddler

It would be nice if the actual odds for cards were available. I too have chased the dragons without success. Spent over $1,000 myself since the start of the year.
Lots of red packs, only duplicates found. Would love to have a dragon deck some day...

glggwp

my understanding is that there are 5 dragons in this game: akoum hellkite, avaricious dragon, tyrant of valakut, dragonmaster's summon, and sarkhan's second ability. it absolutely sucks if you have none of the frist 4. i have the first 3 but it took me a while to get them. i pulled hellkite twice and only once for the other 2 cards. they are quite hard to obtain for some reason.

nerdstrap

meanwhile I've looted all of the dragons 3+ times but I've never once opened any of the black "destroy target creature" spells... if the theory that "your random number generator seed is based on your user id" is correct, then this will never change

mmraie

It seems very unpractical to have RNG tied to your used ID. This seems like confirmation bias/pattern recognition to me. but i could be wrong!

Avacyn

Rogan Josh wrote:

Avacyn wrote:

because it really hard to justify spending money on boosters having highly unlikely chances of getting the stronger mythics you really desire. and for completing sets.

Then why did you do it? If someone offers you a scam, and you know it's a scam, why give them the money?

I bought the boxes of each color with 2 purpose. To get what I want(which I didn't) and to show how hard it is to get it(impossible). So I can bring to light a subject that hasn't been discussed.

poor drop rate has already been talked about and acknowledged. my point here is within these drop rate lays another problem.

which is the dismal chance of getting the mythic we most desired (dragons, Angels etc). or cards previously on exclusives. after spending over a thousand dollars I still have not seen a single card I want most. meaning those that have not bought Olivia or Avacyn their chances of getting them through boosters are near impossible. that needs to be changed. it not only discouraging to invest any further. but hard for new comers to stick around when they can't pull powerful cards through boosters to contend with the veterans. leading them to cry for nerfs then rage quit.

they really need to come up with a solution. because this isn't working. and it only a matter of time before many of us realize that BBs isn't worth spending a dime on in getting previous exclusives/ higher quality mythics.

Buret0

When you can expect to get 1-2 mythics tops out of each big box, it hurts to think how many big boxes you would need to purchase to get the specific mythics you are looking for.

I've gotten Tyrant a couple of times, but that's my only dragon. On the other hand, I got almost every angel, but am missing some of the other mythics and rares I would like for my white deck.

As much as it sucks not to have the one or two cards you want, it is kind of nice that not every deck you face has the same cards, exactly for the reason that sometimes people just don't have all of the top cards to make the perfect deck every time.

I'd love to have a prism array, a Nissa's Renewal, a Prison Warden, a Hydra, and Evolutionary Leap. Instead, I make use of the less than perfect distribution of cards I do have. I think the game becomes less enjoyable when there's nothing left to fight for. If I had every card in the game, it might be fun for awhile, but ultimately there would be nothing left to earn, which defeats the point of fighting to win packs and prizes.

When I was spending money on this game, I found opening boxes to be a disappointment, because I very rarely found anything new. When a new expansion comes out and you earn enough crystals to buy that new planeswalker or big box, it feels like you've earned the right to your hard earned prized. When you get them because you spent a bunch of money on them, you don't feel good, you can only feel cheated that the prize you paid to get wasn't in the packs you opened. Doubling down on that (tenfold for the OPs purchase history) and never getting what you wanted just makes you feel cheated. That's not how this game should be or how it should make you feel when you play it.

tm00

Fyi when talking about marvel puzzle quest the devs said that they are looking to hook players into spending 20-40 dollars a month more than short bursts of money, awesome planeswalkers/cards deals + drop rate designed to not work so well once you have a decent collection seem to suggest they are still seeking that.

Pqmtg-

tm00 wrote:

Fyi when talking about marvel puzzle quest the devs said that they are looking to hook players into spending 20-40 dollars a month more than short bursts of money, awesome planeswalkers/cards deals + drop rate designed to not work so well once you have a decent collection seem to suggest they are still seeking that.

Or we could turn to statistics to see that your repeats will increase as your collection fills out.

tm00

Pqmtg- wrote:

tm00 wrote:

Fyi when talking about marvel puzzle quest the devs said that they are looking to hook players into spending 20-40 dollars a month more than short bursts of money, awesome planeswalkers/cards deals + drop rate designed to not work so well once you have a decent collection seem to suggest they are still seeking that.

Or we could turn to statistics to see that your repeats will increase as your collection fills out.

Well, generous rewards of the premium currency and cards in general, coupled with no vault like system that riduce the chances of you getting a card you already have and no way to spend more than 50-60 dollars a month for specific cards already do that without messing with the rng, that's what I meant.

Rogan_Josh

Avacyn wrote:

Rogan Josh wrote:

Avacyn wrote:

because it really hard to justify spending money on boosters having highly unlikely chances of getting the stronger mythics you really desire. and for completing sets.

Then why did you do it? If someone offers you a scam, and you know it's a scam, why give them the money?

I bought the boxes of each color with 2 purpose. To get what I want(which I didn't) and to show how hard it is to get it(impossible). So I can bring to light a subject that hasn't been discussed.

well it's your money but i think most people know by now how bad the BB system is here. Still, you're sacrifice will not go forgotten.

Avacyn wrote:

which is the dismal chance of getting the mythic we most desired (dragons, Angels etc). or cards previously on exclusives. after spending over a thousand dollars I still have not seen a single card I want most. meaning those that have not bought Olivia or Avacyn their chances of getting them through boosters are near impossible. that needs to be changed. it not only discouraging to invest any further. but hard for new comers to stick around when they can't pull powerful cards through boosters to contend with the veterans. leading them to cry for nerfs then rage quit.

it's my understanding that both Olivia or Avacyn aren't added to the booster packs yet. But you're right, currently the way things are is a total mess.

Avacyn wrote:

they really need to come up with a solution. because this isn't working.

they should change it so that you can't draw mythics that you have already obtained. Or perhaps you could trade in dupe mythics for points to buy other mythics. Anything would be better than the way it is now.

Pqmtg- wrote:

Random is always fair.

Random isn't fair, it's random. There is a big difference.

Pqmtg-

Are we seriously going to debate on what fair means?

Because I don't think there's any definition of fair where random doesn't fall under that umbrella.

Steeme

I feel your pain my friend.

Rogan_Josh

Pqmtg- wrote:

Are we seriously going to debate on what fair means?

Because I don't think there's any definition of fair where random doesn't fall under that umbrella.

I'm not having a go mate, it's just a bugbear of mine.