Character Re-balance Announced: Your top 3 for the 4-stars?

DukeUpdate

Following up on Puce Moose's question about 3*s, which 4*s do you think are in need of a buff/positive re-work (not nerfs)?

Since the poll only allows for 15 options, I selected ones that I don't see as opponents in PvP very often (excluding time-limited characters Howard the Duck and Devil Dino, and Spider-Woman who is brand new).

If I left off someone you would put in your top 3 in need of a buff/re-work, please list them below.

Polares

I voted just for buffs. I hope no nerf are implemented (even though looks like Iceman is going to fall )

Meander

I wish I had more votes. IMO Chulk, Mr F, IW, Star Lord, XFW, Dino, Howard, Wasp, and Drax all need buffs (placed in order of need). Considering I only have 3, I put my votes in Chulk, Mr F, SL.

Orion

The only reason you don't see Quake in PvP is because she's newer. She's pretty awesome and for certain doesn't need to be on the list.

Cho, IW, MrF, Elektra and Star Lord could all use some rework.

FaustianDeal

I'm not sure how the selection criteria went to get included as an option.

Included names I don't quite follow:
Punisher is a damage engine, War Machine is a lot of fun to play, Quake is a PVE MVP and they are on the list.

Names not on the list I might have included:
Fury and Kingpin: getting left behind by the meta a little.
XFW and Goddess: let them out of the penalty box; rollback some of the over-nerf.

DukeUpdate

FaustianDeal wrote:

I'm not sure how the selection criteria went to get included as an option.

I basically just listed the 4*s I don't see often in PvP. Some of them are probably because they are too new for everyone to have (Quake & War Machine come to mind).

They are not necessarily the top 15 in need of a Buff, but I suspect most people's top 3 are in the list.

CrookedKnight

Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman and Totally Awesome Hulk are the most in need of reworking, with Sam Wilson and Star-Lord shortly behind them.

I don't think anyone in the 4* tier is really in need of a nerf, with the possible exception of Red Hulk (which would be simple -- have Gamma Siphon steal up to 7 AP from the enemy team, instead of always reducing their green AP to 0 and always generating the full 7). There's a clear top tier of characters, but they're balanced against each other and will all get a ton of play in any given week depending on who's boosted. We've come a long way from the days when Hulkbuster was meta-defining and I hope they don't mess with it.

Dragon_Nexus

Where's Spider Gwen on the list? Her heal doesn't heal herself (why oh why?) her red is...okay but needs a lot of prep work. Her purple's kinda generic stun that makes web tiles.

I'd been hoping for a Spider Gwen for a long time but she's just kinda...okay. She feels unfocussed to me.

mr_X

Moonknight should not be on this list either. The reason you dont see him much is he like war machine is far to new for most players to have a functional one yet.

Although am still short two covers he is gonno be a high tier character and is lots of fun to use.

wymtime

Orion wrote:

The only reason you don't see Quake in PvP is because she's newer. She's pretty awesome and for certain doesn't need to be on the list.

Cho, IW, MrF, Elektra and Star Lord could all use some rework.

The other reason you don't see her in PVP is because of who she is buffed with and in PVE she can just nullify AOE goons. A lot of times she has been buffed with better 4* for PVP. I love her in PVE, but in PVP it is easy to take her out with single target attacks.

My favorite quake combo is with XFDP. Overall her green is a little week for PVP.

Punisher5784

I would have preferred to see XFW, 4hor and Devil Dino on this list than Quake, Punisher and Winter Solider

XFW should have the skills he had before the nerf. The nerf was understandable back when there were only a handful of 4*'s but at this point he has the lowest health, lousy green, and the worst healing our of all the Wolverines as it's tied to a CD tile you need AP for.

Same goes for 4hor. She is still good but that Yellow really needs a boost in a damage or an AP reduction.

It would be nice to see Devil Dino to finally become permanent this upcoming anniversary with better skills. It would be a nice 'thank you' to all the players who kept this 1000HP slot for him.

I completed agree with IW (whose had about 2 "buffs" already), Elektra (just change the trap tile to a different color), and of course the (Un)Awesome Hulk, who chokes on his own hotdogs.

san

I selected:

Miles - I like Spidey, and want a decent 4* version - Miles just isn't strong enough, even when champed
Mr. F - I think this one is a no brainer. Very poor design, terrible at what he does. Sort of like a 4* version of DocOck, without the specialty that the Doc has.
Star Lord - I feel he's too slow to be useful. Not terrible, just not great... perhaps not even good.

Honourable mentions:

Elektra- not selected as she can be annoying when champed and boosted... that black is just a pain to fight againts
IW - she did get a decent boost not too long ago. She does some decent damage. Still needs work.
Sam - Actually a decent character with SOME pairings, but could use a bit of a boost so that he can be a solo star too...

Not mentioned:

TA Hulk - please delete this character so that we can forget this abomination ever occurred.

The rest, I either don't think need a rebalance (i.e. Quake) or I haven't played with enough to really know.

Figure15

Haha, forgot to select Cho. Go burn in hell with Memphisto.

Akari

wymtime wrote:

Orion wrote:

The only reason you don't see Quake in PvP is because she's newer. She's pretty awesome and for certain doesn't need to be on the list.

Cho, IW, MrF, Elektra and Star Lord could all use some rework.

The other reason you don't see her in PVP is because of who she is buffed with and in PVE she can just nullify AOE goons. A lot of times she has been buffed with better 4* for PVP. I love her in PVE, but in PVP it is easy to take her out with single target attacks.

My favorite quake combo is with XFDP. Overall her green is a little week for PVP.

Weak? When boosted, her green does ~9k aoe damage. That's pretty solid for a 4*.

ynglink

I'd like to see the characters with interesting mechanics buffed first. So for me that's Elektra and Starlord for sure. I think Invisible Woman is close to being where she should be, but needs a little bit more of a buff to her Green IMO.

jojeda654

Venom, Devil Dino, Mr. F.

I'm fine with leaving Cho, IW, and Star-Lord as they are. Don't have to worry about not selling their covers when I get them.

Vhailorx

I think quake and punisher are borderline top tier and should not be anywhere near this list. Kate bishop is probably just as good.

War machine, drax, moonie, and winter soldier are all pretty mid tier. They aren't the best, but neither are they terrible.

As between the remaining, I would vote for star-lord, Mr. F., and CHulk. But IW and Elektra could also use some improvements.

Not sure about wasp and spider woman. They have some nice features, but they both have some problems.

dokiy

Mr. F
Cho
Miles

Why? Because I have 13, 12, and 12 covers in them. That's why! Oh and with re-balance, give us 1 million ISO to level these guys up since they are sitting in the 70's right now.

rkd80

What a silly list. Shows lack of understanding of most characters.

Jarvind

Of the available options I picked Bubbles, Cho, and Sam Wilson.

The first two need no explanation - I picked Sam over the next popular choices (Star-Lord, Mr. F) just because he requires such a huge buildup of AP before he can actually do anything. If you aren't bringing along tile generators, he has to collect over 20 AP to get off a single attack - technically you could fire red with 14, but without protects out it hits like a pool noodle. Just lowering the cost of red to 11 or 12 would make him feel a little more viable - as he is right now, if you want to use Dive-Bomb, you have to build your whole team around it.

That said, I would probably have included Venom - yellow does respectable damage, but green is too clunky and situational, and his passive is potentially useless in a lot of matches.

X-Force Wolverine should be here as well - I don't think he's nearly as bad as most people seem to, but the base damage on his green needs a boost to keep him relevant, and his yellow should probably either fortify or shorten the CD to 2 at 4/5 covers.

TxMoose

no reason quake and pun should be on this list at all. they are actually proabably tier 2, right behind the meta guys. Moon Knight is probably right there too - I just don't have much experience with him since he's not covered.

my bottom 3 are the married pair of susan/reed and then cho. there are instances with nearly every other 4* where I consider them in some situation. i never have the thought that any team would be better with one of these in it. disclaimer: I'm not a fan of carnage, so i don't tinker with him much, but when i tried him and reed i was underwhelmed. more tinkering might make him more useful but i just have no desire to try.