Madness Effect

ReddMaxx

This is the description from the release notes:

"Madness: This ability gives mana to cards with the Madness ability whenever another card is Discarded from the players hand - the exact amount is listed as the number next to the keyword (Madness 3 gives 3 mana to the card). Cards with Madness cannot be Discarded through spells and effects, but it is possible to gather mana for multiple Madness cards with a single Discarded card."


So it says Cards with Madness cannot be discarded through spells and effects. Does this mean that if you put this card last that liliana ability won't discard it? I didn't track the sequence of events but I had several madness cards in my hand when liliana discard me and I don't think it did what I expected it to do.

What is the intended effect of madness if it is the last card in had:
Should it not be discarded and the next one should
Should no card be discarded
Or is the wording of madness no totally correct and the madness card be discarded

As a side not did they change all the wording on cards that say destroy card in hand to discard card in hand? I think I saw a card that says destroy card in hand but can't find it now.

Does discarding a card trigger the destroy card effect? I think I read that discarding a card is not counted as destroy but can't find it now.


Redd

Morphis

Madness cards will be "jumped over" for discard purposes.

If because of madness card you cannot discard the amount of cards you have to(cause of Liliana first skill, behold and beyond, opponent forcing you to discard etc...) then you discard less cards(you can even not discard at all).

Some examples:
- you have 2 madness cards and cast behold the beyond. You discard all cards except the madness cards.

- you have these cards In This order
Normal
Madness
Normal
Madness
Then you use Liliana first skill. You discard the 2 normal cards.

- you have only 2 madness cards, nothing else and use Liliana first skill. You discard nothing(opponent still does).

- you have 1 normal and 2 madness, opponent forces discard 2 on you.
You discard only the normal card.

As far as destroy thing... I think there is no card in game that distinguishes between the two.

That means that any effect right now that requires the card to have been destroyed works even if it has been discarded.(mostly reanimation effects)

Exiling(removing the card from hand through UI) is another thing making the card disappear like it was never drawn(does not trigger any madness, discard effect, and is not put in the graveyard).
Probably you knew this but never hurts reminding.


Hope this clears it.

ReddMaxx

I found the card that says destroy.

Nightsnare says "The last 2 cards in your opponent's hand are Destroyed"

I knew there was at least one card that said destroyed instead of discard


Redd

snow_leopardd

Sphinx tutelage now says destroy. You used to get to pick which card to get rid of, now it is random.

blacklotus

snow_leopardd wrote:

Sphinx tutelage now says destroy. You used to get to pick which card to get rid of, now it is random.

it is not random.
it will destroy the bottom most card in your hand, unless it has madness. then it will move up the list till it encounter a card without madness to destroy.