4* iso priorities (advice sought)

Vhailorx

I just champed my 4th 4* (thor for use with IM40) and now need to decide who is the next priority for precious iso. So who should get iso as it comes in the door? Or should I stockpile and see what covers I get?

Choices include

Kingpin 3/5/5 -- could use the respec, and will get cover from cage soon, but not a top tier 4*.

Elektra 5/5/3 -- hahahahahaha.

Fury 5/5/3 -- not sure if he is good enough.

Carnage 3/4/5 -- only 1 cover from max, could use a respec, but limited utility outside of PvP defense.

Thing 0/4/5 -- shocking still no red, need 4 covers, but have a champ Xpool to use with him.

Ant-man 4/4/4 -- only 1 cover from max, but a pretty meh character overall.

JG 3/2/4 - still need several covers, but she is obviously the top priority when covered.

BlackSheep101

Fury boosted is very useful, especially if you can pair him with a 5*. Demolition can deal horrifying amounts of damage very quickly, and Avengers Assembly with 5 purple can ruin someone's day if you get lucky with the crit tile placement. Of your list, Jean is the best character, but you're still 4 covers from maxing her.

PeterGibbons316

What 4 do you currently have champed? I'm interested to see how well covered your top tier 4*s are (IMHB, Iceman, Cyke, Rulk, etc.) You probably have XFW champed already? What about XFDP?

JG shouldn't get ISO until you have 4 purple - that is when she breaks PvE. Kingpin and Fury are both pretty whelming, but not worth champing over probably a dozen other 4*s. I assume your current ISO stash is roughly 0.0? If that is the case I would focus more on covers than leveling anyone. How many 3* champs do you have? I would recommend champing all 3*s over both Kingpin and Fury if you haven't already. You'll get better use from them as they cycle through as featured/essential characters in events.

I have 9 champed 4*s, but only 2 from those you have listed (Carnage/JG.....who actually pair pretty well together on defense).

Vhailorx

PeterGibbons316 wrote:

What 4 do you currently have champed? I'm interested to see how well covered your top tier 4*s are (IMHB, Iceman, Cyke, Rulk, etc.) You probably have XFW champed already? What about XFDP?

JG shouldn't get ISO until you have 4 purple - that is when she breaks PvE. Kingpin and Fury are both pretty whelming, but not worth champing over probably a dozen other 4*s. I assume your current ISO stash is roughly 0.0? If that is the case I would focus more on covers than leveling anyone. How many 3* champs do you have? I would recommend champing all 3*s over both Kingpin and Fury if you haven't already. You'll get better use from them as they cycle through as featured/essential characters in events.

I have 9 champed 4*s, but only 2 from those you have listed (Carnage/JG.....who actually pair pretty well together on defense).

Sadly, I only have 1 top flight 4* champed. Imhb has been my pride and joy since June 2015 (never bought a cover for him either; earned every one the old fashioned way!). My JG has 9 covers, my cyclops has 7 or 8, iceman has 5, and rulk a measly 4. U couodbreally use one of the top purple/green users.

My other 4* champs are xfw, xpool, and 4* thor. I have 20 something 3*s champed and am not spending any more iso on the remaining ones (they would all cost about 100k iso to champ). I just don't see any value in spending iso on weaker 3*s when I need so much just to level the 4*s I already have. My once beautiful million+ iso stash burned out championing my top characters in January and Feb. Only have about 75k iso now, and earn 30-80k A week depending on how much I grind.

And if course I am focusing on covers, but it's pretty hard to target 4* covers outside of 1k rewards. I play for those whenever a key one is available, but that's 1 cover every few months. I can't take the time to grind a top 10 in PvP.

PeterGibbons316

I have underestimated the value in champing 3*s until just recently. First of all, you have a level 300 character for every 3* PvP event - that makes a difference. The ISO rewards are nice, you don't have that feeling of wasted covers, but it really does help with the 4* transition in that you earn not just that LT and the 4* covers, but CP rewards as you progress. For your roster I really think you would get some value in champing more 3*s, at least until you start to get some top tier 4*s covered.

But if you must spend on 4*s.....A 0/4/5 Thing would actually pair well with your XFDP, even if you can champ him yet that combo would still be pretty good for climbing early, or grinding PvE.

Tatercat

I'm actually 149K into a 200K iso climb to champ Kingpin myself right now, with 8 days left before the first of two covers for him in my queue expire. (the other one is a champ reward from Cage today). There's tons better places I should be spending it: my 4/5/4 Xpool, my 5/5/1 Iceman (both boosted this week!) my 1/2/2 OML, or any number of newer 4*'s whose DDQ's are approaching.

But I just couldn't stand to sell another KP cover. I've sold 4 of these things since I cover maxed him, always arguing that this one is better or I need to be ready for this new DDQ. But at some point I just had to ignore the new characters and finish out the ones I've been sitting on forever. I know there's better 4*'s out there (and on my roster) but I do use KP and respecing for the situation would be nice. That's my plan for for the next month or two, Civil War be danged, to just knock out 3 or 4 four stars one after the other and be done with them.

So yeah, I think KP is your best bet. Don't think about the others until they have 13 covers. I like Antman too and he's on my list, but he's not for everyone.

Vhailorx

PeterGibbons316 wrote:

I have underestimated the value in champing 3*s until just recently. First of all, you have a level 300 character for every 3* PvP event - that makes a difference. The ISO rewards are nice, you don't have that feeling of wasted covers, but it really does help with the 4* transition in that you earn not just that LT and the 4* covers, but CP rewards as you progress. For your roster I really think you would get some value in champing more 3*s, at least until you start to get some top tier 4*s covered.

But if you must spend on 4*s.....A 0/4/5 Thing would actually pair well with your XFDP, even if you can champ him yet that combo would still be pretty good for climbing early, or grinding PvE.

Hmm, it's an interesting decision to weigh.

I think I have 16 or so 3*s that are not yet champions. Most of them are around level 120 (a few are as low as 94, and 1 is as high as 130), so the cost to champ them is right around 1.6million. I would probably take me many months to earn that much iso. I could use that iso to champ 2-4 4*s depending on starting level. but theoretically if I champ all my 3*s, they will turn into a slow but steady source of iso/hp/cp as I get covers for them.

I honestly have no idea what is the best course of action. If I had any top tier 4*s ready to level (like JG) then they would be the obvious choice. But instead I have some weak to decent 4*s ready to level now, and a few more getting quite close.

Ugh, I don't feel like to doing the math on rewards from championing re: the expected iso from selling covers and not leveling my remaining 3*s.

PeterGibbons316

Vhailorx wrote:

PeterGibbons316 wrote:

I have underestimated the value in champing 3*s until just recently. First of all, you have a level 300 character for every 3* PvP event - that makes a difference. The ISO rewards are nice, you don't have that feeling of wasted covers, but it really does help with the 4* transition in that you earn not just that LT and the 4* covers, but CP rewards as you progress. For your roster I really think you would get some value in champing more 3*s, at least until you start to get some top tier 4*s covered.

But if you must spend on 4*s.....A 0/4/5 Thing would actually pair well with your XFDP, even if you can champ him yet that combo would still be pretty good for climbing early, or grinding PvE.

Hmm, it's an interesting decision to weigh.

I think I have 16 or so 3*s that are not yet champions. Most of them are around level 120 (a few are as low as 94, and 1 is as high as 130), so the cost to champ them is right around 1.6million. I would probably take me many months to earn that much iso. I could use that iso to champ 2-4 4*s depending on starting level. but theoretically if I champ all my 3*s, they will turn into a slow but steady source of iso/hp/cp as I get covers for them.

I honestly have no idea what is the best course of action. If I had any top tier 4*s ready to level (like JG) then they would be the obvious choice. But instead I have some weak to decent 4*s ready to level now, and a few more getting quite close.

Ugh, I don't feel like to doing the math on rewards from championing re: the expected iso from selling covers and not leveling my remaining 3*s.

Yeah, I just had the realization a couple weeks back with help from some of the guys here. I've got all the top tier 4*s champed, so it was a similar decision - champ mediocre 4*s, or go back to 3*s. The recommendation was to go back to 3s, and I have talked to some top end players that have also recommending champing all 3*s before the mediocre 4*s. It's definitely nice to be able to take a 3* from 120-champ in like 3-4 days compared to a 4* in 2+ weeks!

TxMoose

PeterGibbons316 wrote:

Yeah, I just had the realization a couple weeks back with help from some of the guys here. I've got all the top tier 4*s champed, so it was a similar decision - champ mediocre 4*s, or go back to 3*s. The recommendation was to go back to 3s, and I have talked to some top end players that have also recommending champing all 3*s before the mediocre 4*s. It's definitely nice to be able to take a 3* from 120-champ in like 3-4 days compared to a 4* in 2+ weeks!

wonder where that cutoff is. pretty sure my kp, xfw, and x23 are next (and nova when 2 more yellow come in). past that, I'm not sure about antman, GR, the spider group, px (once I get my dupe to 5/5/0), carnage (need 1 black). but we're talking 2-3 months out, so I may have OML, quake, and pun to worry about too by then before that lower-middle group/3*s.

Vhailorx

TxMoose wrote:

PeterGibbons316 wrote:

Yeah, I just had the realization a couple weeks back with help from some of the guys here. I've got all the top tier 4*s champed, so it was a similar decision - champ mediocre 4*s, or go back to 3*s. The recommendation was to go back to 3s, and I have talked to some top end players that have also recommending champing all 3*s before the mediocre 4*s. It's definitely nice to be able to take a 3* from 120-champ in like 3-4 days compared to a 4* in 2+ weeks!

wonder where that cutoff is. pretty sure my kp, xfw, and x23 are next (and nova when 2 more yellow come in). past that, I'm not sure about antman, GR, the spider group, px (once I get my dupe to 5/5/0), carnage (need 1 black). but we're talking 2-3 months out, so I may have OML, quake, and pun to worry about too by then before that lower-middle group/3*s.

Nova, Punisher, and Quake may all be as good as the current top 5 4*s, and if not, they are definitely in the Xpool/Thing/X-23 tier right below. so I would think they are worth prioritizing above trash tier 3*s.

For me, the Kingpin/Antman/Carnage tier is probably just below the cutoff between (i) 4*s that I will definitely use when boosted and might use even at 270, and (ii) 4*s that are only going to be used if boosted in a bad week when no one better is available. The former group I would prioritize and level immediately if I had them covered. The latter group is a harder to question to judge and is the reason I started this thread.