Mana drain spells/abilities not triggering (Video inside)

Plastic

I've noticed a few times that with cards like bone to ash, negate and Jayce's mind sculpt that the opponent's cards mana stays as is. I thought at first for something like bone to ash there might not have been a creature in their hand, but at some point when I had the spell ready to cast, it was red-circled (couldn't cast it) which leads me to believe that if I /can/ cast it, it should drain mana since there's a creature in their hand.

Any info on this? I didn't see any topics regarding it anywhere. Thanks!

Edit: I forgot to mention that I did play a few games so that I could test out using disperse to ensure a creature was in the opponent's hand and then used bone to ash without seeing any change in their mana.

Edit 2: I can't be sure, but it seems like this is happening on opponent's cards that have some/all mana but have been moved to the bottom of their hand.

Edit 3: I recorded a recent game. Will upload and show what I experienced in the morning.

Edit 4: While testing out Negate spell, I've never seen this have any issues yet.

Plastic

Here's the video of it happening. It's at 7:40 approx. https://youtu.be/TZ_QRuvTJJ4?t=7m40s

Plastic

Here's a video with it happening with Jayce's mind sculpt. https://youtu.be/PK5tK4mnSjs

Irving

Bone to Ash specifies that it drains from the opponent's first card, and bounce puts a card back at the end, so I think that one's working as advertised.

As for Mind Sculpt, that does look like a bug (assuming that gem was definitely from Mind Sculpt, but there's nothing else obvious on the board it could be). Have you submitted a support ticket?

Plastic

Bone to ash says, "Drain all the mana from the first creature in your opponent's hand and draw a card." So the first creature can be anywhere in their hand. This is either a grammatical error or a bug. Since it's worded as it is, I'm leaning towards bug.

I'll try to get video of it working sometimes on creatures that are bounced to show the inconsistency.

Irving

Plastic wrote:

Bone to ash says, "Drain all the mana from the first creature in your opponent's hand and draw a card." So the first creature can be anywhere in their hand. This is either a grammatical error or a bug. Since it's worded as it is, I'm leaning towards bug.

I'll try to get video of it working sometimes on creatures that are bounced to show the inconsistency.

Good point. In your video Bone to Ash shows as castable before the bounce, implying one of the other cards is a creature, but if it ever does show as red-circled before the bounce and then fails to drain (which it sounds like you're saying has happened), that'd be a problem.

Plastic

Irving wrote:

Plastic wrote:

Bone to ash says, "Drain all the mana from the first creature in your opponent's hand and draw a card." So the first creature can be anywhere in their hand. This is either a grammatical error or a bug. Since it's worded as it is, I'm leaning towards bug.

I'll try to get video of it working sometimes on creatures that are bounced to show the inconsistency.

Good point. In your video Bone to Ash shows as castable before the bounce, implying one of the other cards is a creature, but if it ever does show as red-circled before the bounce and then fails to drain (which it sounds like you're saying has happened), that'd be a problem.

Hm. Didn't consider that. I wish there wasn't so much guesswork involved with targeting a specific card type in opponent's hand. I'd rather it drain less mana and target a creature that actually has mana in the first place.

Gun Bunny

Bone to ash indeed says that, and is behaving as (I believe) it is intended to. Mind sculpt, however, says no such thing, but if the top card has no mana, it doesn't progress down the hand like it implies it should. In a related note, this is why mizzium meddler is so ridiculously powerful, and why the AI has such problems with it. Since the redirected mana can only go to the very last card, which will usually be whatever the AI deems least important to cast (usually spells without a valid target on the board), you effectively cut off the AI's mana supply completely.

Plastic

So I used the new card "Dispel" today and it drained no mana. Used it several times. Will upload video later. Also, mind sculpt is STILL intermittently working.