About that new standard token rarity...

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I've been getting frustrated lately by an inability to pull 3 star covers from tokens, regardless of the tokens used. I think it's been over a month since I pulled a 3 star from a token, and even then it was one of the only 3 star covers I don't need (green hulk). Today I used 20 standard tokens that I've been saving, and pulled 25hp TWICE. I understand that for some people this might be good, but I desperately need 3 star covers and I'll need 1250hp to make progress on just one skill. It's frustrating because I feel like I've been robbed of 2 highly valuable 3 star covers for a measly 50hp.

Are the odds of pulling 25hp from a standard token really the same as pulling a 3 star cover, and I've just been really unlucky? Anyone know what the odds are, and what they are for heroic/event tokens? I've been using my hp for cover slots because saving 1250hp seemed insane, but I feel now that pulling a 3 star has become impossible and I have no choice. Anyone else experiencing the same?

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Fluffyudders wrote:

I've been getting frustrated lately by an inability to pull 3 star covers from tokens, regardless of the tokens used. I think it's been over a month since I pulled a 3 star from a token, and even then it was one of the only 3 star covers I don't need (green hulk). Today I used 20 standard tokens that I've been saving, and pulled 25hp TWICE. I understand that for some people this might be good, but I desperately need 3 star covers and I'll need 1250hp to make progress on just one skill. It's frustrating because I feel like I've been robbed of 2 highly valuable 3 star covers for a measly 50hp.

Are the odds of pulling 25hp from a standard token really the same as pulling a 3 star cover, and I've just been really unlucky? Anyone know what the odds are, and what they are for heroic/event tokens? I've been using my hp for cover slots because saving 1250hp seemed insane, but I feel now that pulling a 3 star has become impossible and I have no choice. Anyone else experiencing the same?

I know there are a few different users conducting statistics on the probability of getting certain covers. I have not looked at it in quite a few weeks but I'm sure the odds were pretty poor eiher way.

There's little doubts that finding particular covers will be harder and harder as the game continues to advance with additional new characters. That is the plus and negative of the whole experience. We gain the possibility of various teams but it becomes unlikely many will be maxed out as quickly as the original 3* covers. D3 has a challenge on their hands to determine if the suggestion to phase out older heroes is viable to maintain the current system or to find a new method for players to attain desirable covers to level their heroes.

My most recent experience with standard Recruit Tokens is just as poor as your results. 14 tokens. All were 1* covers. I did also have 3 Heroic tokens from the closure of the last major PVE and received a Purple Daredevil, Modern Hawkeye and everyone's favour (and most popular) 2* cover, yellow Captain America.

I've watched the odds of getting anything better than 1* fall from 12.5% to my most recent sample of 0%. I hope it's isolated cause like most people, I would like to receive nice covers to continue to improve my heroes and therefore get an opportunity to use them in the game.

You're not alone is the struggles. It's possible D3 is discouraging people from relying on Token and instead compete in the PVE and PVP to get your covers. If that is the case, then it will certainly take more fun out of the game and add frustration and disappointment on many player's plates.

Unknown

You're complaining about not getting 3* covers from tokens, which is understandable, but them complaining that the 3* you do pull is not the one you want? What's it going to take to please you?

Eddiemon

From the way they described it working it sounds like you get a 2 in 100 or something roll for a 25 HP. If you fail then you get an ordinary token roll as before.

I don't believe it will get harder and harder to find covers, as there will come a point where they allow you to select more specifically with your tokens to help players develop. Making it harder to progress is in nobody's best interest.

Unknown

Of course it's harder and harder to get any specific 3* you're looking for as there are more of them, but it shouldn't matter if they're all reasonably balanced. For PvE, having a diverse roster is generally more favorable than having a few high level characters unless the high level guys you have are at the top of the food chain as well.

Unknown

I noticed a significant drop in 3* or 25hp cover myself. I went the full 9day event without seeing one. Seems fishy.

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champion9782 wrote:

I noticed a significant drop in 3* or 25hp cover myself. I went the full 9day event without seeing one. Seems fishy.

im pretty sure they just introduced it on friday, which would mean that there is only 3 days left in the event

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champion9782 wrote:

I noticed a significant drop in 3* or 25hp cover myself. I went the full 9day event without seeing one. Seems fishy.

My experience showed the opposite. I was saving the standard tokens I earned during the event and yesterday I decided to open some of the 48 I had. I first opened 13 and I got 10 *, 1 ** and 2 *** purple Daredevil. Yeah I know, I'm not sure I count Daredevil as *** either, but hey, he was there. I guess things could be worse and it could give me Patch or Punisher covers which I don't need anyway. Then I opened 15 more and I got 25HP and the rest were only * and ** which at least gave some decent ISO. Since I started playing (75 days) the standard tokens gave only 2 more ***, I can't complain about the possibilities. 2 *** and 25HP from 28 tokens is more than what I would expect considering I hadn't found one in weeks.

aussiemac

I know the sample size is small, but I hadn't pulled a 3* cover from standard coins in what seemed like a month. However, yesterday I pulled a Green Hulk and a Black Hood. I was pretty pumped and surprised by both! Although, they weren't my ideal choice, I'll gladly take any 3* I can get from standard coins!

Unknown

I haven't seen much of a difference in the rarity of 3*. So far I got a little more 25hp than 3stars, but I haven`t opened thousands of tokens yet. Well maybe one thousand, or at least several hundreds.

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OhLookItsRaab wrote:

You're complaining about not getting 3* covers from tokens, which is understandable, but them complaining that the 3* you do pull is not the one you want? What's it going to take to please you?

That wasn't really a complaint, just a **** comment really, but there is a further point to be made here. Again it could just be my luck, but I seem to often pull covers I already have rather than new ones. For example I've managed to acquire 4 yellow hood covers, but none of the others. I also have 4 green rag with no red (I've been playing from the start, and yes this is a lot less frustrating now than it was in the early days!!) This isn't a complaint, but it does make me wonder if certain covers are rarer than others. Captain America is the obvious target here, but similarly I pull c storm loads but hardly ever get thorverine... I would love to get confirmation from a dev on this, because I honestly feel that if it's supposed to be random/equal chance, then it's bugged and needs fixing.

Phaserhawk

In terms of what to do as more champs are released, D3 has a few options.

Segment packs. You can pick from pack A B or C. A might contain attackers, B. might be tankers C. might be support that way you can target what you want.

Another option is to just have certain characters as OBTAINABLE champs in a mission. The more likely is segmenting them out. If you are looking for a Hulk red, well then you might want to buy Pack B, if you want the Hood, then pack C.

However, they have somewhat addressed this when they have a release of say Psylocke, and you had the option of getting only the buffed characters. Well assuming a character you are looking for is in the buff that tournament, you will increase your chances of finding him or her, but yeah, if they don't do that more often and rotate characters, it is going to be hard to get your cover you need unless they just allow straight purchase of a cover for say double the HP as an upgrade. Example you need Hulk red, you can upgrade green and black for 1250 HP, maybe you could buy his missing red for 2500 to 3000 HP or make it 5000 HP, at least it would be an option and D3 would make more money so it's within the realm of possibilities.

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Fluffyudders wrote:

That wasn't really a complaint, just a **** comment really, but there is a further point to be made here. Again it could just be my luck, but I seem to often pull covers I already have rather than new ones. For example I've managed to acquire 4 yellow hood covers, but none of the others. I also have 4 green rag with no red (I've been playing from the start, and yes this is a lot less frustrating now than it was in the early days!!)

Hood yellow requires top 2 position in Hood LR, so that's good that you're getting one of the hardest cards to earn. Try placing top 15/top 45 in Hood LR (which should start in an hour or two) to get the other covers.

Fluffyudders wrote:

This isn't a complaint, but it does make me wonder if certain covers are rarer than others. Captain America is the obvious target here, but similarly I pull c storm loads but hardly ever get thorverine... I would love to get confirmation from a dev on this, because I honestly feel that if it's supposed to be random/equal chance, then it's bugged and needs fixing.

You can check what tokens other people have got (and enter your own tokens) at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... yREE#gid=1
There are some tokens that only have 2 or 3 heroes that are commonly received so maybe these make you feel like you're always pulling them. The "Assault Team" token which it was possible to get 20+ of in the last event has about an 85% of returning the 2* covers Captain America, Magneto -Marvel Now, Storm-Classic & a 15% chance of the 3* covers DareDevil, Psylocke & Punisher.

mischiefmaker

Fluffyudders wrote:

I've been getting frustrated lately by an inability to pull 3 star covers from tokens, regardless of the tokens used. I think it's been over a month since I pulled a 3 star from a token, and even then it was one of the only 3 star covers I don't need (green hulk). Today I used 20 standard tokens that I've been saving, and pulled 25hp TWICE. I understand that for some people this might be good, but I desperately need 3 star covers and I'll need 1250hp to make progress on just one skill. It's frustrating because I feel like I've been robbed of 2 highly valuable 3 star covers for a measly 50hp.

Are the odds of pulling 25hp from a standard token really the same as pulling a 3 star cover, and I've just been really unlucky? Anyone know what the odds are, and what they are for heroic/event tokens? I've been using my hp for cover slots because saving 1250hp seemed insane, but I feel now that pulling a 3 star has become impossible and I have no choice. Anyone else experiencing the same?

Based on the 1000+ tokens that have been opened since the change went in, the chance of getting a 3* has changed very little (2.62% before, 2.45% after). If that's correct, the chance of opening 20 tokens and not finding a 3* cover is 60%; on average you'll find a 3* every 40 tokens or so.

The chance of pulling 25 hp is actually less than than pulling a 3*, and in 20 tokens there's a 41% chance you get all 1* and 2* covers, so I'd say you've actually been quite lucky (I know, that probably doesn't make you feel better).

All the data is here.

Unknown

It's a weird decision. I don't want 25hp. 25hp is useless to me. My next roster slot is 400 HP for gods sake!

That 3* cover though? Yeah, could probably have used that.

MaxCavalera

With such low probability on three stars pulls you could be slightly unlucky and go on a long dry streak. I still havn't seen a HP payout not that i am clamoring for it i would rather a 3*.

Unknown

I'd rather a 3* to 25 hp, but I'd rather 25 hp to any 1* or 2*, which is what it's generally replacing.

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Eddiemon wrote:

Making it harder to progress is in nobody's best interest.

Excepts D3's...

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Ben Grimm wrote:

I'd rather a 3* to 25 hp, but I'd rather 25 hp to any 1* or 2*, which is what it's generally replacing.

True that.

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Fluffyudders wrote:

Today I used 20 standard tokens that I've been saving, and pulled 25hp TWICE.

That's what I did as well. I used about 20 standard tokens and pulled 25 HP twice. Though I did pull a red Patch as well.

Unknown

Statistical reminder folks.

They added a new field with the probability of the current 3cover pull.

The common mistake when something like this happens is that you were "robbed"

Nope, instead you picked up 25 hp instead of a 1 cover.

Think of it like this you have a 50 sided dice
Roll a 50 get a ***
Roll 44-49 get a **
Roll a 1-43 get a *

All that's been changed is effectively now add in
Roll a 1 get 25 hp