Has anyone verified that MMR tanking is effective?

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I hate to be that guy.... but that is a vague statement.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "effective"? What do you consider to be "effective"?

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Lyrian wrote:

I hate to be that guy.... but that is a vague statement.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "effective"? What do you consider to be "effective"?

You opponents are much weaker than you when you have low mmr. They also don't attack you, so you don't need to use a shield and still be able to win your bracket easily.

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Lyrian wrote:

I hate to be that guy.... but that is a vague statement.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "effective"? What do you consider to be "effective"?

Has the intended end result, in this case that would be lowering your MMR in order to fight weaker opponents to earn better rewards.

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Microtom wrote:

Lyrian wrote:

I hate to be that guy.... but that is a vague statement.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "effective"? What do you consider to be "effective"?

You opponents are much weaker than you when you have low mmr. They also don't attack you, so you don't need to use a shield and still be able to win your bracket easily.

In order of your statements...

1) Can opponents become weaker than you? Yes, if you can push your MMR down low enough.

2) Will they not attack you if you have a low MMR? Depends, if you presenting a team of 141s when your MMR is matching you up with IM35/MStorm/MWidow, then yes. If your roster is only 2** caliber, then that is not guaranteed. Keep in mind that winning against low MMR teams will raise your MMR. Thus, this is a temporary condition at best.

3) Win your bracket with ease with a low MMR? Nope. Other people are following this strategy with the same goals as you **will** run into them at the end of every, single, tournament (let's call this low MMR Hell ). Its absolutely amazing how I see the same 6-10 people (all with 100+ Patches and more) every single tournament when I break the 500-600 point barrier. Top 15? Pretty much guaranteed. Top 5? Maybe, depends on the cover prize (For example, CMags in this tourney is not going to be a cakewalk). Winner? Good luck with that. If you can't consistently post 850-900 points in your brackets right now, you aren't going to win the top spot in low MMR brackets.

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Yup. This becomes incredibly obvious when you're tanking in the LRs and doing another PvP tournament simultaneously. Try playing Magnetic Mayhem up to a certain point, then tanking a LR, then skipping opponents in Magnetic Mayhem a bunch. You'll immediately see that the opponents in Mayhem become much easier.

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Lyrian wrote:

Microtom wrote:

Lyrian wrote:

I hate to be that guy.... but that is a vague statement.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "effective"? What do you consider to be "effective"?

You opponents are much weaker than you when you have low mmr. They also don't attack you, so you don't need to use a shield and still be able to win your bracket easily.

In order of your statements...

1) Can opponents become weaker than you? Yes, if you can push your MMR down low enough.

2) Will they not attack you if you have a low MMR? Depends, if you presenting a team of 141s when your MMR is matching you up with IM35/MStorm/MWidow, then yes. If your roster is only 2** caliber, then that is not guaranteed. Keep in mind that winning against low MMR teams will raise your MMR. Thus, this is a temporary condition at best.

3) Win your bracket with ease with a low MMR? Nope. Other people are following this strategy with the same goals as you **will** run into them at the end of every, single, tournament (let's call this low MMR Hell ). Its absolutely amazing how I see the same 6-10 people (all with 100+ Patches and more) every single tournament when I break the 500-600 point barrier. Top 15? Pretty much guaranteed. Top 5? Maybe, depends of the cover prize. Winner? Good luck with that. If you can't consistently post 850-900 points in your brackets right now, you aren't going to win the top spot in low MMR brackets.

As I understand it, bracketing is based on a first come first served system.

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Lyrian wrote:

Top 15? Pretty much guaranteed. Top 5? Maybe, depends on the cover prize (For example, CMags in this tourney is not going to be a cakewalk). Winner? Good luck with that. If you can't consistently post 850-900 points in your brackets right now, you aren't going to win the top spot in low MMR brackets.

I'm 80% sure that I'm going to win my bracket with less than 800. MMR isn't all. you have to try to enter an easy bracket too. I just have a lvl 69 daken and lvl 69 thor. I'm sitting at 530 atm and waiting until later to drop some more mmr in the lightning rounds and do a final push. I've mostly been fighting 1 star characters so far and my mmr is very very low.

I might or might not be in a sandbox tho.

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bonerang wrote:

Lyrian wrote:

Microtom wrote:

Lyrian wrote:

I hate to be that guy.... but that is a vague statement.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "effective"? What do you consider to be "effective"?

You opponents are much weaker than you when you have low mmr. They also don't attack you, so you don't need to use a shield and still be able to win your bracket easily.

In order of your statements...

1) Can opponents become weaker than you? Yes, if you can push your MMR down low enough.

2) Will they not attack you if you have a low MMR? Depends, if you presenting a team of 141s when your MMR is matching you up with IM35/MStorm/MWidow, then yes. If your roster is only 2** caliber, then that is not guaranteed. Keep in mind that winning against low MMR teams will raise your MMR. Thus, this is a temporary condition at best.

3) Win your bracket with ease with a low MMR? Nope. Other people are following this strategy with the same goals as you **will** run into them at the end of every, single, tournament (let's call this low MMR Hell ). Its absolutely amazing how I see the same 6-10 people (all with 100+ Patches and more) every single tournament when I break the 500-600 point barrier. Top 15? Pretty much guaranteed. Top 5? Maybe, depends of the cover prize. Winner? Good luck with that. If you can't consistently post 850-900 points in your brackets right now, you aren't going to win the top spot in low MMR brackets.

As I understand it, bracketing is based on a first come first served system.

Yes, but who you are matched up against is not. The pool of "low-MMR" players with 600+ points in a given tourney tends to be quite small. Case in point, today alone, I had the same player matched up in two different nodes simultaneously, one as a retaliation and one as a normal draw because the pool of eligible players was so small at the time.

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Microtom wrote:

Lyrian wrote:

Top 15? Pretty much guaranteed. Top 5? Maybe, depends on the cover prize (For example, CMags in this tourney is not going to be a cakewalk). Winner? Good luck with that. If you can't consistently post 850-900 points in your brackets right now, you aren't going to win the top spot in low MMR brackets.

I'm 80% sure that I'm going to win my bracket with less than 800. MMR isn't all. you have to try to enter an easy bracket too. I just have a lvl 69 daken and lvl 69 thor. I'm sitting at 530 atm and waiting until later to drop some more mmr in the lightning rounds and do a final push. I've mostly been fighting 1 star characters so far and my mmr is very very low.

I might or might not be in a sandbox tho.

I agree with you that the luck of the draw for an easy bracket can help. Of course, it can be a pain in the rear at the same time as well. There is a person in my bracket currently that has 750 points with only 85s 2**s. Only the leader is using 141s. Positions 2-10ish are all using 2** characters. With the change to allow anyone to brute force to 500 points in a tourney, most require 700+ to place in the top 5 unless you pull an extremely lucky bracket.

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I have also been using my second device to identify when a bracket closes in order to make short runs at top 15 placements in newly opened brackets late into events.

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bonerang wrote:

I have also been using my second device to identify when a bracket closes in order to make short runs at top 15 placements in newly opened brackets late into events.

I think the very last brackets are hard. Try entering 15 hours before the event ends. You'll get a bunch of people sleeping when the event ends.

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I like to enter just before everyone in my MMR range puts up their 8-hour shield. Juicy targets that will not be retaliating.

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It feels quite that way.

With this braindead system we'll probably start tournaments by retreating 100 times before actual play. Maybe that is the reason the stock hero is not provided in magnetic?