Ms Marvel's Strategic Command

jtmagee

This is a question for the Devs. I already posted this in the character's page, but figured it would be answered quicker here.

Why is her Strategic Command unable to be sent as a team-up?

SuperRecoome

I'm guessing you could use it to power things like Magneto's Polarizing force and it might be game breaking.

jtmagee

But that's what team-ups do. Power up a match. Shouldn't matter how it affects a character. If that's the case, Storm's Lightning Strikes shouldn't be able to be sent as a team-up because she gains AP that could power up a color for a character to knock the AI out. Or Scarlet Witch's Hex Bolt. Etc.

WelcomeDeath

Umm...what would be the point? It creates TU tiles to generate TU ap...but it would use TU ap to do so. Seems like an exercise in futility to me. Am I missing something?

jtmagee

It would create a lot of match 4's and 5's, thus extending the turn. Mohawk Storm's Mistress of the Elements also destroys team-ups and gains the ones she destroys as AP. Redundant or not, it should be allowed to be sent.

Malcrof

May lock this thread after a few more get a chance to respond, since you have already asked in her character thread, but the best place for this question may be in the Team Up Guide: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=28918

ZeiramMR

Welcome Death wrote:

Umm...what would be the point? It creates TU tiles to generate TU ap...but it would use TU ap to do so. Seems like an exercise in futility to me. Am I missing something?

Storm's Yellow can be received as a Team-Up, and that costs TU AP to gain a smaller amount of TU AP with a little board shake.

Malcrof

ZeiramMR wrote:

Welcome Death wrote:

Umm...what would be the point? It creates TU tiles to generate TU ap...but it would use TU ap to do so. Seems like an exercise in futility to me. Am I missing something?

Storm's Yellow can be received as a Team-Up, and that costs TU AP to gain a smaller amount of TU AP with a little board shake.

Difference being she does damage for each created. The other color changers that can be sent (inhuman stretchiness and gsbw purple) are targetable, or do damage like thunderstrike. Hers does no damage and is not targetable.. i think without the secondary effect, it may register like PX's purple.. although active, cannot be sent.

Jack0fAllGames

It's ability to overwrite ANY special tile isn't too shabby either. I see no reason this can't be a teamup.

CaptainFreaky

Malcrof wrote:

ZeiramMR wrote:

Welcome Death wrote:

Umm...what would be the point? It creates TU tiles to generate TU ap...but it would use TU ap to do so. Seems like an exercise in futility to me. Am I missing something?

Storm's Yellow can be received as a Team-Up, and that costs TU AP to gain a smaller amount of TU AP with a little board shake.

Difference being she does damage for each created. The other color changers that can be sent (inhuman stretchiness and gsbw purple) are targetable, or do damage like thunderstrike. Hers does no damage and is not targetable.. i think without the secondary effect, it may register like PX's purple.. although active, cannot be sent.

But can Cyclops Mutant Revolutionary be sent as a team-up? It does not allow targeting, and does not do damage....

Malcrof

CaptainFreaky wrote:

Malcrof wrote:

ZeiramMR wrote:

Welcome Death wrote:

Umm...what would be the point? It creates TU tiles to generate TU ap...but it would use TU ap to do so. Seems like an exercise in futility to me. Am I missing something?

Storm's Yellow can be received as a Team-Up, and that costs TU AP to gain a smaller amount of TU AP with a little board shake.

Difference being she does damage for each created. The other color changers that can be sent (inhuman stretchiness and gsbw purple) are targetable, or do damage like thunderstrike. Hers does no damage and is not targetable.. i think without the secondary effect, it may register like PX's purple.. although active, cannot be sent.

But can Cyclops Mutant Revolutionary be sent as a team-up? It does not allow targeting, and does not do damage....

It can, and only targets 1 color, like KK's (where you pick the color), it targets TU tiles.

I am not arguing against it.. just trying to help figure out why it can't. On TU heavy boards, it would be a great cascade maker.

xellessanova

Malcrof wrote:

May lock this thread after a few more get a chance to respond, since you have already asked in her character thread, but the best place for this question may be in the Team Up Guide: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=28918

As the writer of the TU Guide (and someone who sold off Ms. Marvel), I just realized that the Team-Up Guide is missing patrol time and colors on Ms. Marvel; the only entry is for Captain Marvel, whose Yellow is passive.

I'd appreciate any info for Ms. Marvel, since it doesn't seem that the active Yellow should be blocked to me.

Nightglider1

I like to pair her with Modern Hawkeye. Strategic Command leads into Speed Shot quite nicely.

Punisher5784

Is it because characters can only send two powers? Can a character with three actives have all three be sent? I feel like the characters only have two T/U's that can be sent.

simonsez

Punisher5784 wrote:

Can a character with three actives have all three be sent?

Yes, mnmag comes to mind...

Unknown

Yeah, that's epsecially weird, mainly because the devs talked about Cyclops (Classic) USING Mr. Marvel's Strategic Command as a teamup.

From the topic of said interview.

If you're running the TU AP generation build, bringing along a Ms. Marvel Team-Up can speed up the match pretty easily. Grab 5 Yellow AP, 8 TU AP, make a few other matches to maybe grab some bonus Red or whatever, then throw out Strategic Command once TU tiles have fallen in. 9 more TU tiles means almost inevitable cascades, which means bonus primary AP (and match damage). Once you're used to the flow, it's pretty easy to parley that combo into 1/2 dead opponents and a little clean up time. Definitely looking forward to what players come up with though!

That just seems. Weird.

Sounds more like a glitch then anything else.

CaptainFreaky

colwag wrote:

Yeah, that's epsecially weird, mainly because the devs talked about Cyclops (Classic) USING Mr. Marvel's Strategic Command as a teamup.

From the topic of said interview.

If you're running the TU AP generation build, bringing along a Ms. Marvel Team-Up can speed up the match pretty easily. Grab 5 Yellow AP, 8 TU AP, make a few other matches to maybe grab some bonus Red or whatever, then throw out Strategic Command once TU tiles have fallen in. 9 more TU tiles means almost inevitable cascades, which means bonus primary AP (and match damage). Once you're used to the flow, it's pretty easy to parley that combo into 1/2 dead opponents and a little clean up time. Definitely looking forward to what players come up with though!

That just seems. Weird.

Sounds more like a glitch then anything else.

Ok - based on colwag's excellent investigation I definitely want to understand this (any reds listening? Bueller?)- maybe it really is a bug. And based on the speed with which we've seen the dev's can patch a bug that happens to be favorable to players, we know they can fix these things quickly if they CHOOSE....

jtmagee

I think it's just an over-site overall. If enough attention is brought to it, it will be addressed either way.

And Malcrof, while I posted in the character topic, you'll notice that it was not noticed at all, while on here, it has received enough to warrant discussion.

Also, was glad to have ya in Rings alliance for a minute!

David [Hi-Fi] Moore

jtmagee wrote:

Why is her Strategic Command unable to be sent as a team-up?

Hi,

Looks like this was a bug that appeared post-R89 (or earlier) and a fix is planned to go live within the next few days.

Thank you for the reports!

Punisher5784

"David wrote:

Moore"]

jtmagee wrote:

Why is her Strategic Command unable to be sent as a team-up?

Hi,

Looks like this was a bug that appeared post-R89 (or earlier) and a fix is planned to go live within the next few days.

Thank you for the reports!

Finally catching up on our old questions...? I believe there is a lot more we need answers to

CaptainFreaky

Punisher5784 wrote:

"David wrote:

Moore"]

jtmagee wrote:

Why is her Strategic Command unable to be sent as a team-up?

Hi,

Looks like this was a bug that appeared post-R89 (or earlier) and a fix is planned to go live within the next few days.

Thank you for the reports!

Finally catching up on our old questions...? I believe there is a lot more we need answers to

Heh - I think ~ 75 days for a response is like lightning speed! Later is better than never though, but it would be nice not to have to wait another 2.5 months for responses on some of the recent changes.