New Player Mistake

Unknown

So I just started. I've been using L35 Iron Man, L40 Black Widow, and L26 Storm all 1*s. I didn't realize I had to plan what comics to teach, so I have them at 3/5/2, 5/5, and 3/5/5 respectively. I think that is fine for the first two, but I think I really screwed the pooch with Storm. Is there any way to recoup any of my losses, or do I just need to somehow find a ton of books and make a new one from scratch to get 5/3/5 (or 5/5/3 depending on which you guys think is better)?

NorthernPolarity

Goobady wrote:

So I just started. I've been using L35 Iron Man, L40 Black Widow, and L26 Storm all 1*s. I didn't realize I had to plan what comics to teach, so I have them at 3/5/2, 5/5, and 3/5/5 respectively. I think that is fine for the first two, but I think I really screwed the pooch with Storm. Is there any way to recoup any of my losses, or do I just need to somehow find a ton of books and make a new one from scratch to get 5/3/5 (or 5/5/3 depending on which you guys think is better)?

I don't think it's worth the time/iso. Once you transition out of 1*'s, you won't be using M. Storm much, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Eddiemon

Bad news is you need to start from scratch.

Good news is as you get into PvE events you get planty of standard tokens for free, so collecting a new Storm isn't hard.

M Storm always has her uses in PvE, so it is worth it. I'm a 5/5/3 person, but I know many swear by 5/3/5. I'm a big fan of cheap specialised board control from her.

Spencer75

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Goobady wrote:

So I just started. I've been using L35 Iron Man, L40 Black Widow, and L26 Storm all 1*s. I didn't realize I had to plan what comics to teach, so I have them at 3/5/2, 5/5, and 3/5/5 respectively. I think that is fine for the first two, but I think I really screwed the pooch with Storm. Is there any way to recoup any of my losses, or do I just need to somehow find a ton of books and make a new one from scratch to get 5/3/5 (or 5/5/3 depending on which you guys think is better)?

I don't think it's worth the time/iso. Once you transition out of 1*'s, you won't be using M. Storm much, so I wouldn't worry about it.

+1

dont worry about it, keep pushing to the 2 stars and dont look back

dont rebuild her

mags1587

I may be biased because I really enjoy playing with her (even though I'm using 2* and 3* covers now), but I'd rebuild M. Storm. Especially if she's not at max level. If you really have just started, you'll get a lot of use out of her for a while yet and 5 green is key with her. Getting a new set of covers will take some time but shouldn't take too long.

As for how to rebuild her -- I prefer a 5/3/5 build, but 5/5/3 is good, too, and there's an argument to be made for 5/4/4 too. As long as you have 5 green the rest is down to personal preference.

Unknown

Check out this same board - M. Storm is about single 1* that have its uses even in endgame. It is still level 26, so you didn't spend too much Iso (lower half of progression is much cheaper). If you have free slot, just build a new one here so you won't be left without a character at all. Collect free tokens from LRs or story - you'll have more than enough to build all 1* characters. In the end you'll only lose some Iso, but get a great board controller at 5/5/3.

Unknown

Honestly, if it was anyone other than storm I'd say "forget about it"...but she honestly is the best of the 1stars and is powereup on a Divine event soon.

My recommendation:

If you don't have a spare spot to start rebuilding Storm, Save up ~20-30 standard tokens...open them all at once...you should end up with 3-5 storm comics...delete her and start rebuilding (5/5/3 or 5/3/5 either is fine).

NOTE: If you pull together a classic storm 3/3/3 or better beforehand this can turn instead into a long term "when I get around to it" project.

NorthernPolarity

mags1587 wrote:

I may be biased because I really enjoy playing with her (even though I'm using 2* and 3* covers now), but I'd rebuild M. Storm. Especially if she's not at max level. If you really have just started, you'll get a lot of use out of her for a while yet and 5 green is key with her. Getting a new set of covers will take some time but shouldn't take too long.

As for how to rebuild her -- I prefer a 5/3/5 build, but 5/5/3 is good, too, and there's an argument to be made for 5/4/4 too. As long as you have 5 green the rest is down to personal preference.

5/5/3 is the best for long-term play: hailstorm is pretty bad once you start maxing out your 2*s. The thing about rebuilding is that you lose the ~6k iso you invested into her + the opportunity cost of those 13 covers (1.3k): 7.3k iso isn't too much in the grand scheme of things, but when you're just starting out, you should be pumping all your iso into your fledgling 2* characters. I don't think a suboptimal storm is that much worse than an optimal storm, and so your iso is better spent on transitioning out of 1* territory rather than staying in it.

Unknown

Thanks for all the feedback. I'll just put it on the backburner for after getting together a 2* team. Speaking of which, how do you guys suggest starting that? Should I use Hero Points to buy the skills, hope to get lucky with opening ones from events? Also, Tolken mentioned opening a bunch of covers at once, why is that? Is there a mechanic I don't know about? Sorry if I am asking too much, my ignorance has already cost me so now I'm really curious before I shoot myself in the foot again. Here is my collection so far in case you want to know:

1 Star
Iron Man 4/5/3 (0/1/3 spare)
Black Widow 5/5
Storm 3/5/5 (0/2/2 spare)
Juggernaut 4/3

2 Star
Storm 1/1/1
Thor 1/1/1
Black Widow 0/0/1
Wolverine 0/1/0
Moonstone 1/0/1
Hawkeye 1/0/0

3 Star
Doctor Doom 1/0/0
Daredevil 0/0/1

NorthernPolarity

Goobady wrote:

Thanks for all the feedback. I'll just put it on the backburner for after getting together a 2* team. Speaking of which, how do you guys suggest starting that? Should I use Hero Points to buy the skills, hope to get lucky with opening ones from events? Also, Tolken mentioned opening a bunch of covers at once, why is that? Is there a mechanic I don't know about? Sorry if I am asking too much, my ignorance has already cost me so now I'm really curious before I shoot myself in the foot again. Here is my collection so far in case you want to know:

1 Star
Iron Man 4/5/3 (0/1/3 spare)
Black Widow 5/5
Storm 3/5/5 (0/2/2 spare)
Juggernaut 4/3

2 Star
Storm 1/1/1
Thor 1/1/1
Black Widow 0/0/1
Wolverine 0/1/0
Moonstone 1/0/1
Hawkeye 1/0/0

3 Star
Doctor Doom 1/0/0
Daredevil 0/0/1

More questions are always welcome. So the way that you get more 2* covers is to finish the prologue (I think theres a set of 3 wolvie covers in the last campaign) and then start grinding PvP events/PvE events. all PvP events should have a token at 300 progression points that guarantees you a 2* cover, and ranks 46-200 should have a 2* cover as the prizes. I would just play away at those events, focusing on getting 2* tokens/covers (I would try to ignore 3* prizes: you won't be able to earn them reliably with a 1* roster, and pushing for those will increase your MMR and make you prone to getting attacked: just play until you hit rank 50 and try to stay in the 46-75 range so that you get 3 2* covers. The fastest way to getting a 2* roster is to place well in the PvP tournaments, so I would focus on that.

As for your actual roster, I think 3/5/5 Thor, 5/5/3 Wolvie, and 3/5/5 O. Black Widow is still the easiest team to get, and packs a lot of synergy, so try to go for that. Storm is decent as well, but I still think that Thor/Wolvie/Black Widow is better. Ares is probably better than Thor in this team now, but they don't hand out ares covers as much as Thor, so I'd just stick with Thor.

Do NOT spend hero points on skills: spend it all on roster slots until you have enough to slot at least all of the 2*s and 3* characters in the game. The idea is that for a long time, you are going to be constrained on how many covers you have, so saving as many 2*/3* covers as possible will make it easier for you to transition out of 2* land and into 3* land. You also never know what hero will be buffed/required for a later event, so its best to just save all of the covers that you get.

Also Tolkiens comment refers to the fact that your roster is probably full right now. Since tokens don't expire, you can save them for when you buy more roster slots and use them then so that you have space in your roster for the new heroes that you can get.

optimiza

I was in 1 to 2* transition not too long ago myself, and everything NorthernPolarity just said is excellent advice. I would even go so far as to say that Juggernaut may even be expendable if you get a good cover that is about to expire, like a fairly difficult-to-come-by 3* hero. If you're not looking to spend money, try to find some ways to get HP, which include grinding the Prologue, and trying to get to 500 pts in SHIELD training. It's not likely that you're able to get to the 50 HP progression rewards in tournaments yet, but definitely try for the 2* finishes that get you HP. See if you can get in the high 20s, which will probably net you 50 HP even if you get attacked down. Don't sweat only getting one or two 2* covers instead of the whole three-cover set. Progress is progress!

I also think standard tokens are really underrated. I've gotten plenty of useful 2* (and occasionally 3*) covers out of them. And 100 Iso is always welcome.

HailMary

Another newbie chiming in. Thumbs-up for the great advice here, esp. NorthernPolarity re: Thor, Wolv, OBW's specific loadouts as a core 2* team. I'd actually thrown away an Astonishing Wolv cover or two before due to roster constraints, but I'll be keeping the current two.

But, with regards to HP progression rewards, I'm not sure if it's possible to get there with the OP's exact roster, but I've been able to get to the 50 HP progression award in 3-4 tournaments I've played in (in my case, that's a majority), using a maxed IM35 and maxed mBW as my core team (got lucky on an X-Force Wolv very early, and am currently building Thor, so they tag-team as 3rd team member).

And yeah, I've gotten probably 5-6 3* covers through standard tokens (none of which repeat ), so they're definitely useful.

I'm also curious about the "open 20-30 standard tokens at once" tip. Does opening a bunch at once raise 2*/3* probabilities?

NorthernPolarity

HailMary wrote:

Another newbie chiming in. Thumbs-up for the great advice here, esp. NorthernPolarity re: Thor, Wolv, OBW's specific loadouts as a core 2* team. I'd actually thrown away an Astonishing Wolv cover or two before due to roster constraints, but I'll be keeping the current two.

But, with regards to HP progression rewards, I'm not sure if it's possible to get there with the OP's exact roster, but I've been able to get to the 50 HP progression award in 3-4 tournaments I've played in (in my case, that's a majority), using a maxed IM35 and maxed mBW as my core team (got lucky on an X-Force Wolv very early, and am currently building Thor, so they tag-team as 3rd team member).

And yeah, I've gotten probably 5-6 3* covers through standard tokens (none of which repeat ), so they're definitely useful.

I'm also curious about the "open 20-30 standard tokens at once" tip. Does opening a bunch at once raise 2*/3* probabilities?

Thanks for the compliment! The opening 20-30 tokens at once is just referring to how if you open a token when you don't have any open roster slots, you might have a hero sitting in your stash that you eventually have to trash. Saving the tokens until you have an open roster slot means that you actually have space for a new hero that you potentially open.

HailMary

@NorthernPolarity:
Ah, got it. Makes sense.

I've done that for maybe a half-dozen at a time before, but never 20-30. The lack of an expiration date on tokens is a nice loophole, though as a beginner with a lot of low-cover-count chars, I usually favor opening them immediately, in case there's a cover that boosts an existing character.

NorthernPolarity

HailMary wrote:

@NorthernPolarity:
Ah, got it. Makes sense.

I've done that for maybe a half-dozen at a time before, but never 20-30. The lack of an expiration date on tokens is a nice loophole, though as a beginner with a lot of low-cover-count chars, I usually favor opening them immediately, in case there's a cover that boosts an existing character.

Yup, I've definitely been there before. I remember being really happy whenever a heroic token resulted in another cover for my Thor so that I could iso pump him.

Unknown

Thanks for all the super advice guys. I'm just curious, should I be doing the tournaments and intentionally getting lower ranks to get more 2* covers? I got a 3* Daredevil from the Heroic Oscorp Event and a 3* Doom cover from the Daredevil one. I just realized that I might have wanted to get the 3 2* Moonstone covers instead. What do you think?

I'll try holding onto my tokens from now on, it is just so tempting but I can see I might run into trouble with my roster.

Ronfar

Moonstone isn't useless but there are other 2-star characters that are better - not worth missing a 3-star cover for. (Thor, Wolverine, and Original Black Widow, on the other hand, are priorities.) As for Modern Storm, all her skills are good enough that she's impossible to screw up too badly.

Unknown

So I ended up randomly getting enough covers to make a 5/5/3 Storm and just did it. I wasted however much ISO it took to go to level 27 and 1300 from covers, minus the 2700 I recouped, but it feels worth it.