Anyone else afraid to commit ISO and HP?

Unknown

I'm sitting on over 70k ISO and a couple thousand HP and am unable to commit to raising anyone until the fun balancing is over. I put 900 HP into purchasing two cover slots to use for tanking the DD event (and to hold DD) but the idea of putting resources into a hero right now doesn't sit right. Probably has to do with me dumping everything I had into Rags right before he was nerfed. To those that might say I should have seen that coming - well I do see more coming so I'm afraid to spend ISO and HP.

I'm starting to have trouble competing so may have to break down. Anyone else suffering from upgrade paralysis?

Unknown

I never have to worry about having too much iso 8.

Hulk, Punisher, and Patch are pretty safe choices. Patch is currently the strongest offensive character by far as long as you have a Spiderman with 5 blue to cover for his major weakness (getting your whole team wiped out on accident), though expect his effectiveness to be diminished when Spiderman takes the eventual nerf. Note that he's still the best offensive character in the game without Spiderman backing him up, but using him is likely to be costly for your health packs and it is quite easy to screw up and wipe out your own team in 3 rounds.

Hulk is a very safe choice. Won't win you any games, but should reduce the number of game you lose. Punisher is totally average , so there's virtually no way he'd be nerfed, and while he's not spectucular in any particular way, he does everything competently.

Kyllian

I guess u could lvl safely Hulk, Punisher, Ares, GSBW & Daredevil, and of course Thor & **Wolvie.
Being the last heros avaiable it's almost safe to assume they follow the balance rules and wont be touched barred some unforseen exploit.

I'd keep away from lvling Spidey & 3* Magneto, for sure their blue abilities will be nerfed.
I've a feeling OBW might see some adjustments seeing how much use she has getting lately.

Kiamodo

Phantron wrote:

I never have to worry about having too much iso 8.

Hulk, Punisher, and Patch are pretty safe choices. Patch is currently the strongest offensive character by far as long as you have a Spiderman with 5 blue to cover for his major weakness (getting your whole team wiped out on accident), though expect his effectiveness to be diminished when Spiderman takes the eventual nerf. Note that he's still the best offensive character in the game without Spiderman backing him up, but using him is likely to be costly for your health packs and it is quite easy to screw up and wipe out your own team in 3 rounds.

Hulk is a very safe choice. Won't win you any games, but should reduce the number of game you lose. Punisher is totally average , so there's virtually no way he'd be nerfed, and while he's not spectucular in any particular way, he does everything competently.

Great advice. Hulk, punisher, DD, Patch are recent editions and should have a good shelf life. IM is ok as well. I hear ya about not rushing to upgrade anyone though. Good luck to ya.

Unknown

I've got OBW at 85 and Hulk, Punisher and Wolverine at or above 100, so I'm in a good spot to put the ISO where I need it in a given event or tournament.

But with the way Hulk works as a partial shield, if I had more covers for him I'd be leveling him up as my first priority.

Unknown

RockMonster wrote:

I've got OBW at 85 and Hulk, Punisher and Wolverine at or above 100, so I'm in a good spot to put the ISO where I need it in a given event or tournament.

But with the way Hulk works as a partial shield, if I had more covers for him I'd be leveling him up as my first priority.

l

Silly rabbit Noone fears lvl 100 anymore. The I just beat imbecile 2 times with a 133 patch 100 Im 40 n 64 hulk.
I actually see level 100 as easy targets to iso farm.

Unknown

I completely understand where you're coming from.

So now I'm systematically leveling characters:

1) Level 3 and 4 stars below 100 to soft cap.

2) Level 2 stars below 55 to soft cap.

3) Level 3 stars to 100.

4) Level 3 stars to 115.

5) Level 2 stars to max.

6) Level 3 stars to 128.

7) Level 1 stars to max.

I can't really get past step 2 right now (with new covers coming in, new characters being released, etc...) but did get to 3 temporarily last week.


If anyone is doing something similar but has a better ordering/method I'd love to read about it.

NorthernPolarity

I have about 2.9k HP that I'm saving up for cover slots for when I can't play too much anymore. Iso-wise, I'm just pumping everything into Punisher/Hulk: gonna get them to 141 soon enough.

Unknown

you need 3 good players and the rest can be brought up slowly.
Patch, daredevil (great defensive play imo) 5 black hulk are all very new and safe. Worry about making them good before you worry about making your whole roster.

Remember that the people who have great rosters either a) spent a lot of money or b) been Around a while and got on the OVERPOWERING train of Ragnarroc spiderman and c mag.

NorthernPolarity

champion9782 wrote:

you need 3 good players and the rest can be brought up slowly.
Patch, daredevil (great defensive play imo) 5 black hulk are all very new and safe. Worry about making them good before you worry about making your whole roster.

Remember that the people who have great rosters either a) spent a lot of money or b) been Around a while and got on the OVERPOWERING train of Ragnarroc spiderman and c mag.

I think it was more on the overpowering train of thorverine for me.

Unknown

I have 72k ISO stored right now as much because of this as because I wanna see the xforce buffs. The hp being store is mire that I just don't see a point in spending it on anything but special low price packs, shields, events, slots, and 4****. The 4**** cost so much ISO that there is little point paying for the covers (good chance u get by the time you save the ISO lol). The shields are irritatingly expensive and not worth it unless you are going after 1st few places. Only 1 pay event so far and the pay out wasn't worth the effort for me since I had no plan to stress over getting a top 10. I have 31 slots and will slowly bit a new one for each new character that comes out. There hasn't been a worthwhile pack imo...basically ever. If they had a 4**** guarantee pack for, let's say, 10 packs for 2800 or so I'd consider it. So really, beside the occasional shield expenditure if there is a red/yellow xforce available and my bracket isn't too hard I don't have anything I want to burn hp on besides cover slots I don't yet need.

Most of my ISO has gone towards lvling event characters to competence.

Characters I wouldn't level right now: xforce, iw, magneto, ragnarok, doom, spidey, 2** besides (thor wolvie obw ares storm).

Characters I would level but only if you don't mind them.being nerfed by mid march: obw, grey suit.

Everyone else is safe to level (though not necessarily worth it).

Unknown

Yea, tempted to level patch (5/3/5) but he gets scary without Spidey stun so have been waiting for the hammer to fall on Spidey to see if he still works well. Hulk makes sense but I am 5/2/2 (going for 5/3/5). Feel like he needs more black before I really want to use him since I would not tend to use his red or green. Would also need to level him high enough to be the target to be effective. Really don't like punisher. Perhaps I should have maxed his black since his other skills don't apeal to me. Really like playing GBW and want to level her up but she is on the nerf list so waiting. Want a purple user with patch since limiting purple before using green is important. Dig that she provides green to patch (or herself).

Anyway I wish they would just finish fun balancing so we can make informed rather than speculative decisions. Sigh...

Unknown

Not sure about others but I don't actually check the level of the black cover on Hulk whether I fight him or not.

Patch will always be good to get you a win very fast at the cost of health packs and very rarely backfire on your face, though you'll usually only be doing it in say a Lightning Round where the drop off between the prizes is considerable. That is, if you're on the edge for Courageous/Diabolic and not, you don't really care if you make a spectcular fall to #1000 because only the higher prize is worth shooting for. Usually you're just trying to win one more game and then shield and the speed makes all the difference in the world. It doesn't matter if you need 2 health packs later. You can also play him as a boring grind-it-out tank type of character (his regen makes him effectively have more HP than any other character in the game) as a backup, so I think he's actually a pretty safe investment overall.

Unknown

There's a list of characters that will be balanced in upcoming patches, and other than those characters, there's no character that jumps out to me as being in need of a nerf. If anything, they're more likely to buff some lesser used characters at this point. Clearly you have more ISO than you need, so just find a character you like and have fun with it.

Unknown

The problem with this game is that there is nearly always 1 or 2 characters that are currently "overused" and under the threat of nerfage. Rags, then thor and wolve, spidey and mags. Now people are switching to using OBW more it makes her look OP so from previous experience we automatically think she will be nerfed. This will continue to apply as each character is adjusted. There will always be a OP character of the month. I do agree that this has definitely made me think about what i should and shouldnt invest hp/iso into.

turul

I think OBW and Patch will be funbalanced. Maybe hulk black too.

kidicarus

I'm currently making the transition from 2** to 3*** and I have had no regrets levelling the punisher up to 101 - anything to make my roster more scary than the typical 3xlvl85 roster.

I have a 3/5/4 spider-man which will (hopefully) be receiving his final purple soon but I'm really reluctant to move him past lvl 30 which has been good enough to deal with all the 230henchmen in pve in the last few weeks. That in itself says so much about how overpowered he already - so yeah - really uncertain about spider-man.

However, apart from spider-man I have no problem spending my iso as I feel my priority right now is to escape from the middle-class 2** trap and to start making my groups more intimidating.

Unknown

kidicarus wrote:

I'm currently making the transition from 2** to 3*** and I have had no regrets levelling the punisher up to 101 - anything to make my roster more scary than the typical 3xlvl85 roster.

A level 100 3* isn't scarier than a maxed 2*, it's basically the same thing. A lot of people using only maxed 2*s don't seem to know that, though, so there probably is a deterrent effect there if that's mostly what you're getting matched against.

@OP: not really. ISO is scarce in the sense that you want a bunch of 141s right now and can't have them, but also pretty easy come, easy go. Same for HP, as long as you aren't dropping much below a cushion of 1000+ in case you feel the need to go nuts with 24hr shields and whatnot for some event. It can make sense to keep some tens of thousands of ISO on hand in case you want to pump up a lesser used character at short notice for an event buff.

kidicarus

Veracity wrote:

kidicarus wrote:

I'm currently making the transition from 2** to 3*** and I have had no regrets levelling the punisher up to 101 - anything to make my roster more scary than the typical 3xlvl85 roster.

A level 100 3* isn't scarier than a maxed 2*, it's basically the same thing. A lot of people using only maxed 2*s don't seem to know that, though, so there probably is a deterrent effect there if that's mostly what you're getting matched against.

I think that's about right. Back when boosts were cheap in the thorverine days, levels mattered even less - and because I was boosting I kept getting matched against lvl 141s although that's besides the point.

Of course everyone else was also using thorverine so it didn't really matter who you chose to attack. In a boost free environment, i think there is a slight deterrent effect because you have to pick an opponent that you think you can win against with as quickly and with as much health as possible. In a lightning round for example, i think people are quite reluctant to choose to fight a 15k mass of hitpoints simply because it will take quite a bit of time.

Having said that it's probably because I've still managed to keep myself surrounded by relatively low levels 2** opponents.

Unknown

Madjam wrote:

The problem with this game is that there is nearly always 1 or 2 characters that are currently "overused" and under the threat of nerfage. Rags, then thor and wolve, spidey and mags. Now people are switching to using OBW more it makes her look OP so from previous experience we automatically think she will be nerfed. This will continue to apply as each character is adjusted. There will always be a OP character of the month. I do agree that this has definitely made me think about what i should and shouldnt invest hp/iso into.

I'm not afraid, and I think I can use this particular post to explain why (thanks Madjam, you worded it better than I could!).

This is the case in every game with a smaller roster of characters. I'm still not sure how to explain the concepts of "characters will always be nerfed/buffed/rebalanced, no other option exists for a game that wishes to seek longterm balance, no playtesting can prevent that", but it's an innate fact of all games like this. The only times that exist, that I have seen, are in games that trump the concept of longterm balance - where every single event presents new, more powerful characters, eventually creating a huge power gap that A. requires constant activity to stay relevant B. requires money spent or C. requires you to make a massive difficulty jump because you weren't 'keeping up'.

I'm not bringing this up because I think you (or anyone else in this topic) don't get it - I'm bringing it up as the basic principle that automatically answers this concern:

Your options are to, ultimately, spend the ISO/HP or not. If you do not, then you have no reason to EVER do so. The principles by which you didn't spend them (being afraid of it being 'wasted' due to the nerfing of that character) don't change - every character you ever look at, ever consider, EVER like, will always be subject to this possibility.

Let me take the time to say this now: I'm not insulting anyone who plays the game as a normal, critical thinking, human being, or really trying to insult anyone at all. I'm trying to make a logical point about the state of the game (and balance in general), not hurt anyone's feelings. So if you're easy to anger, don't read on

I'm not trying to engage in a debate about the validity of nerfings of Rag, Thor, Wolverine, etc (though I'm happy to have them - especially since I think Rag's true issue existed long before his nerf), but point out the choice of do or don't. The people who didn't sell or ditch Thor/Wolverine after the nerf didn't really suffer. They kept the rewards they earned from them,

The only true risk you run is POTENTIAL loss of benefits from boosting a character when you could have boosted another. And at the end of the day not only is that a risk you'll take with any character, but because of that it's irrelevant: I can sit on the ISO and HP until a character magically comes along who falls into the criteria of "bad enough to not be nerfed, good enough to be worth using", or I can use what i have.

All emotions/bitterness/discussion of changes to products already bought aside, the only non-constructive effect a nerf can really have on a player is if that player is A. actively abusing the system/brokenness to get ahead) or B. wants to 'faceroll' playing the game.

And realistically, NO good company that cares about balance is going to truly miss a player who only cares about those. Same principle as why those same companies ban someone who cheats, regardless of how much they've spent: In the end they're better off without them (A anyway, B's a different subject under the same umbrella about money, but eh).

Unknown

I get what you guys are saying. If I hold onto the HP/ISO it does me little good and leads to not being able to earn more effectively. At least I will have had good use of them until the (inevitable?) nerf. For some reason I thought that GSBW was on the list but she isn't (yet). The current list is:

Invisible Woman (Classic)
Thor (Marvel NOW!)
Wolverine (X-Force)
Wolverine (Astonishing X-Men)
Hawkeye (Modern)
Magneto (Classic)
Spiderman (Classic)

With Spiderman at the end of the list (it is ordered) and the time it has taken to make it through the first three, perhaps there is time to enjoy him a bit more before changes to him impact my strategy. I think I will invest in patch, GSBW and possibly hulk (would have to spend HP to get his black cover up) and hope for the best.

It is really all about getting over the Rags nerf for me. It messed with my head since I had worked so hard to get him maxed and then lost him a week later. He still plays a role for me now that Thor has be nerfed and my desire for green is up but at the time he looked completely useless. Not sure he is worth the amount of effort, ISO and HP I sunk into him but at least he is being used. Glad they did not have the option to sell though as I would have dusted him and now be sad. He is my highest level but I think it is time to let someone pass him. The healing process