The AI absolutely refuses to play fair

Gowaderacer

I know what you're thinking "Not another cheating AI thread!" but hear me out on this one...

I was playing a match in the Hood pvp with Fury/SheHulk and the AI had Kkhan/4*Thor. The match was going along fine, I was making primarily green matches to fire off furious charge and of course ap was being passed back and forth between the 2 Hoods.

Once I collected 12 green, I saw that the ai had ap in 4 pools so I fired it off twice leaving them completely drained of any ap including TU ap and me having the strategic advantage being only 1 red and 1 yellow match away from casting my next powers.

Then on the VERY NEXT TURN the ai got a horizontal match 4 near the bottom of the board. Not a big deal, right? Except for the fact that the new row of tiles that fell on the board was ALL BLUE. Not 3 or 4 tiles but the ENTIRE. TINYKITTY. ROW.

Still not so bad, but the very next match the ai made with their free turn was ANOTHER match 5 with yellow that cascaded into ANOTHER match 5 with purple, giving the ai enough to cast Power Surge AND KKhan purple. I make my match, then AI proceeds to cast PS and KKhan purple.

I still won the match but my Fury was down to about half health even though it should have been an easy victory for me. The point is that no matter how much strategy you use, no matter how high your toons are leveled, no matter what team you build, it is all irrelevant when the ai can just manipulate what tiles fall on the board to give themselves an unfair advantage.

Chief270

So basically another cheating AI thread.

Gowaderacer

Chief270 wrote:

So basically another cheating AI thread.

Yeah basically. Just wanted to vent

Unknown

i'm right there with you.

about throw my phone when i see a 0-1 AP get a ridiculous string of cascades to restock in one round.

Punisher5784

I am always amazed how the AI can have an entire same color row just fall down, while here I am being forced to 3-match T/U tiles because there's nothing on the board. It's unfair but I do love when it's reversed and I find myself drowning in AP

scottee

The AI should make the phone vibrate so hard it falls out of these players' hands whenever the player gets a 30 ap cascade.

firethorne

I feel for you. I've had the old row or column dropped in after a match 4 also automatically contains a match 4. Don't think it has ever been all one color for me.

I'm not saying it is cheating. It clearly could occur randomly. But, perhaps it shouldn't. I'd be fine with an update that prevented new tiles dropped in from containing a match. They can still interact with stuff on the board to match. But when they have a match completely contained in the new tiles, it does feel cheap, even if it truly is random.

Bishop

It is possible the AI plays a bigger board then the human player can see. I think it can calculate what's above and match accordingly. But the AI also makes stupid decisions with certain villans/heroes ect. If it does is it cheating? The game is playable even if it does do those things, it could be much worse.

Gowaderacer

Bishop wrote:

It is possible the AI plays a bigger board then the human player can see. I think it can calculate what's above and match accordingly. But the AI also makes stupid decisions with certain villans/heroes ect. If it does is it cheating? The game is playable even if it does do those things, it could be much worse.

Well if this game does follow similar coding to the other "Puzzle Quest" games in the series then I can definitely attest to the fact that the tiles that are above the board are set and not random.

Back when the first PQ came out I was obsessed with it and played for well over 150 hours and started noticing patterns with the boards. There were certain boards I could recognize and make a match to have another match fall from the top of the screen. I've played MPQ for well over 200 hours and if these patterns exist in this game I haven't found them yet.

ECOcrush

It always seems especially odd to me when there's a relatively even board - meaning a decent mix of colors and several moves to choose from. Then the opponent gets a "lucky" cascade - which is frustrating enough - but then suddenly there's not a single decent move for me to make. So I take the only move I'm given or a move that destroys friendly special tiles. Then the opponent gets ANOTHER "lucky" cascade. And I'm still left with a **** board again. Then the cycle continues until I finally have enough AP for a special attack. And the opponent suddenly decides to use all their special attacks at once and decimates my team. It's been happening to me a LOT on this Hood event.

Venting Venting

Have to admit though that there have been a few times where I've had a "lucky" cascade in my favor and I go, "Wow, if I was on the other end of that I'd be so pissed."

aesthetocyst

The other day the AI ripped off a thunderous cascade on me to start a match. Went total Niagara Falls on me. It gave itself 102 AP.

And there I am with .... nothing much in my hands. And half-dead toons hanks to that rain of crits.

"Well, I may as well save the time and retreat."

"Nah, what the hell, see what happens."

Couple turns later, another monster cascade

Polares

It is really annoying when AI gets these miraculous cascades, we get them too, but I am positive AI gets them more often, and I usually get them against easy fights.

The worst is when after a match-5 the AI get another one and another one, and this has happened to me A LOT. What are the chances of 3 match-5 in a row?!?!?!

Unknown

Gowaderacer wrote:

Back when the first PQ came out I was obsessed with it and played for well over 150 hours and started noticing patterns with the boards. There were certain boards I could recognize and make a match to have another match fall from the top of the screen. I've played MPQ for well over 200 hours and if these patterns exist in this game I haven't found them yet.

large enough set to draw from that it appears random.

the pattern i notice is the one described below... i have one 3 match to make, leaves board with 4 or 5 match possibility for AI. of course if it isn't lined up right, the AI makes a 4 match instead of a 5 match.

acescracked

Not another cheating AI thread!

morph3us

Gowaderacer wrote:

Chief270 wrote:

So basically another cheating AI thread.

Yeah basically. Just wanted to vent

Venting is good for you

It does suck when that happens. I was playing a match against IF/IMHB, with the AI at 0 red. Cascade from hell occurs, dropping multiple red and black matches, so I sit and wait. And wait. The little slider pops out, 8 red AP, 11 black AP. IMHB then drops an Overdrive into Repulsor Punch. Splat. Came totally out of nowhere.

The RNG gods are fickle.

On the flip side, I've had the rare occasional pleasure of dropping a turn one Demolition, so fair's fair.

PeterGibbons316

If the AI could see the tiles above the board, and would use that information to give themselves cascade, why wouldn't it also use the information currently visible on the board to generate cascades. For example, the AI always makes match-4s right? It will even turn a match-5 into a match 4. But how many times have you seen this board:










And the AI DOESN'T make the purple match to generate the red cascade, but takes the green or even breaks up the potential match-4 by taking the red???

If the AI is too stupid to create a cascade on the visible board what on Earth would make you think it is smart enough to make multiple cascades with hidden tiles???

The AI will often create a powerful CD tile and then IMMEDIATELY match it away. The AI is incredibly stupid, it isn't out to get you.

JamieMadrox

This has been addressed by the devs numerous times. Stop posting these threads. Unless you have video evidence, nobody is going to believe that your poor luck is anything other than RNG related.