Vhailorx wrote: 2) 3* land is more or less dead and perhaps it should be trimmed. 40 3*s is way too many for an intermediate tier of play (Especially when only about 10 are actively useful). It seems like this will be a problem for demiurge moving forward. The player base is fragmenting and it is very hard to serve every segment.
3) 5*s need to be introduced.
Right now averagely-rostered vets like me and superwhales like colog are both competing for the same 4* rewards. That's untenable. Either the rewards are reasonable for me, in which case colog loses interest because they are too easy, or they are a good challenge for colog, and thus too hard for me.
4) Related to #2, but new player progression will have to be kicked into overdrive. New players are now expected to build through three tiers of play before reaching and endgame. And with 4* and 3* essentials in pve, most new players will have a difficult time leveraging their lower scaling because they will likely be missing one or two thirds of the essential nodes. Plus with 40 3*s in the token pool, it will require a lot of roster space to survive those brutal early months of play.
rawfsu wrote: I would love to hear the perspective from a new player on this topic. What do other players at the 400+ day mark feel?
GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: [ I'm honestly surprised when I see players who have solid, deep 3* rosters saying they can't get to 1k, let alone your case of not even getting top 100 (You must not be shielding).
gpep024 wrote: As a 200+ day player who has spent more $ than I would like to admit.... the current influx of 4* characters is discouraging. I see the need for the game to move to a 4* (then eventually 5*) endgame for current vets. But it is still an unitainable goal for the casual player like myself. Sure new 4* are an easier reward for a 7 day event when they are released; but it brings out All the players who don't have other obligations (work, school, life) and I'm lucky to finish top 200(or lower). Having to grind out rewards in PVE seems counterintuitive. "So its an open event but I'm playing against other people; wait; I can't move them down? So how do I pull ahead in scoring? Oh, I missed a 'refresh' on day 1 so now I'm behind and it's impossible to get ahead (even with identical rosters). I guess my point is: We really need more progression rewards in pve. 4* included. Just add more every 1 or 2 thousand on current model. Or increase the drop rates on 3 and 4*( just stop incuding 2* in eventokens) I get that they don't wanna give stuff away but wait; give it away please if you're gonna keep PVE essentials. Love this game but gets me frustrated.
Malcrof wrote: I have yet to hit 1k in anything but shield sim, came close, only to get beat down before i could re-shield, sometimes even after.. and i like to think i have a fairly solid roster.
Polares wrote: 4 are the new focus, you are right on that front, but now it is easier than ever to get 4s, they need to make 4 a progression reward in PvE and maybe continuously have Gauntlet available, and rerun PvE events for old 4 and then that will make availability ok. And about 5, you really are crazy . You are saying there are not enough 4 and you want 5?!?!? So basically you want to turn 4 into 3 making them easy to get as 3 and the new 5 into the old 4. I suppose now you are starting to see that what you said makes no sense. Then when we have the 5 we will need 6s, and then 7s, etc. etc. If D3 create 5s it will be the end. If they ever use 5 should be like super enemies, but not as chars for players (basically the only 5 should be Thanos). 4 need to be special, so the rate they award them is not that bad. The real problem is the speed of creation of new 4s. They are being released to fast, but D3 has a problem, because now 4 seem the only way of making us play. D3 needs to present new events more often, like a new event every two weeks, so they can present a new 4 every month, not every two weeks.
RicoDredd2 wrote: Having a 4* essential like Hulkbuster in the current PVE highlights this situation rather well IMO. How many average players have such a cover less then 5% I guess so lose out on ISO/Points? Here is a 7 day PVE bad enough but then to lock out 1/3rd of it with a 4 * and for those in 3 * land with no free roster slots a 2 * like Hawkeye is crazy. So a PVE like Hulk is now 2/3rds closed to a player like me with only a mere 53 other characters. Inclusive playing is not part of the ethos here. Not going to burn 700 HP to roster a 2* like Hawkeye when I have 2* elites like Magneto/OBW/Thor and Wolverine instead. Progression reward for this PVE is a Psylocke cover for heavens sake, only top teams will get the Jean Grey cover so no point. Can get a Psylocke cover in DPQ in a few days without grinding away for days this is madness!
Vhailorx wrote: Polares wrote: 4 are the new focus, you are right on that front, but now it is easier than ever to get 4s, they need to make 4 a progression reward in PvE and maybe continuously have Gauntlet available, and rerun PvE events for old 4 and then that will make availability ok. And about 5, you really are crazy . You are saying there are not enough 4 and you want 5?!?!? So basically you want to turn 4 into 3 making them easy to get as 3 and the new 5 into the old 4. I suppose now you are starting to see that what you said makes no sense. Then when we have the 5 we will need 6s, and then 7s, etc. etc. If D3 create 5s it will be the end. If they ever use 5 should be like super enemies, but not as chars for players (basically the only 5 should be Thanos). 4 need to be special, so the rate they award them is not that bad. The real problem is the speed of creation of new 4s. They are being released to fast, but D3 has a problem, because now 4 seem the only way of making us play. D3 needs to present new events more often, like a new event every two weeks, so they can present a new 4 every month, not every two weeks. First of all, please don't confuse my observations with advocacy. I don't particularly want 5*s myself, but I do think they are probably a necessary step for demiurge in the relatively near term. You say 4*s need to be special, and they are still somewhat special for most 3* players. But the super whales now have 14+ maxed 4*s on their rosters. That doesn't seem very special to me. What will keep them grinding hard in this game if there are no 5*s? Do you feel as enthusiastic about your 35th 3* as you did about your 5th? I can only see 2 ways to keep whales playing: better 4*s (i.e. power creep) or a new tier of play (i.e. 5*s). And of the 2 options, 5*s seem less destructive to the meta (especially if they also make the 3* transition easier).
GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: Malcrof wrote: I have yet to hit 1k in anything but shield sim, came close, only to get beat down before i could re-shield, sometimes even after.. and i like to think i have a fairly solid roster. See above. Especially in this upcoming Thor event. It's not a game problem, it's user error if you don't get there with your roster.
GrumpySmurf1002 wrote: rawfsu wrote: I would love to hear the perspective from a new player on this topic. What do other players at the 400+ day mark feel? I'm confused by this paradox, but anyway, I'm not that far ahead of you at day 522. The Thor yellow @day 520 gave me 4* #6 that I cover maxed. I did buy four PX covers, because there was a sale and $33 to make non-heroic PvE easier was well worth it. I'm honestly surprised when I see players who have solid, deep 3* rosters saying they can't get to 1k, let alone your case of not even getting top 100 (You must not be shielding). All I can recommend is reach out to alliance mates that can get there. If no one in your alliance can, then reach outside the alliance, either through LINE or the forums. There are multiple strategies to do so, some cost more than others, some require more scheduling than others, but they are strategies. I will say its tough to do without a gameplan, but if you have one, as long as your roster has any strength to it, it's trivial.
chamber44 wrote: I badly need to get into a stronger alliance, but there's often a random event (usually the PVE's) that i don't play hard because I don't have time to grind.
Vhailorx wrote: Polares wrote: 4 are the new focus, you are right on that front, but now it is easier than ever to get 4s, they need to make 4 a progression reward in PvE and maybe continuously have Gauntlet available, and rerun PvE events for old 4 and then that will make availability ok. And about 5, you really are crazy . You are saying there are not enough 4 and you want 5?!?!? So basically you want to turn 4 into 3 making them easy to get as 3 and the new 5 into the old 4. I suppose now you are starting to see that what you said makes no sense. Then when we have the 5 we will need 6s, and then 7s, etc. etc. If D3 create 5s it will be the end. If they ever use 5 should be like super enemies, but not as chars for players (basically the only 5 should be Thanos). 4 need to be special, so the rate they award them is not that bad. The real problem is the speed of creation of new 4s. They are being released to fast, but D3 has a problem, because now 4 seem the only way of making us play. D3 needs to present new events more often, like a new event every two weeks, so they can present a new 4 every month, not every two weeks. First of all, please don't confuse my observations with advocacy. I don't particularly want 5*s myself, but I do think they are probably a necessary step for demiurge in the relatively near term. You say 4*s need to be special, and they are still somewhat special for most 3* players. But the super whales now have 14+ maxed 4*s on their rosters. That doesn't seem very special to me. What will keep them grinding hard in this game if there are no 5*s? Do you feel as enthusiastic about your 35th 3* as you did about your 5th? I can only see 2 ways to keep whales playing: better 4*s (i.e. power creep) or a new tier of play (i.e. 5*s). And of the 2 options, 5*s seem less destructive to the meta (especially if they also make the 3* transition easier). .