Unreallystic wrote: I think ISO cost too much, period. My proof? People shell out money for HP...but not ISO. That shows the value right there. Here is the source of the problem though, pricing for ISO was set in the games infancy and never adjusted. That pricing would have been fine when everyone was working on 2*s...it made sense. Add in the difficulty it was to earn ISO and yeah, I could "see" the cost. But now I get 5k a day for doing DP. Add in other various bonuses and I'm aroudn 7.5k a day easy, which cost about $15. I'm not special, I don't get more ISO than the next man, I figure I'm a 'tiny bit' over average, simply due to roster size. I don't think ANYONE would spend $15 dollars to equate to 30 minutes worth of play time. If they want to get that ISO money from folks, it needs to be adjusted for the current game trending to 4*. - Unreall
Top8Gamer wrote: Don't worry about ISO. Eventually it'll catch up to your covers and then you'll be like me. Sitting around with 500k ISO and nothing to spend it on. Every time I get a new cover i can just max the levels on it.
simonsez wrote: Top8Gamer wrote: Don't worry about ISO. Eventually it'll catch up to your covers and then you'll be like me. Sitting around with 500k ISO and nothing to spend it on. Every time I get a new cover i can just max the levels on it. You have all the 4s maxed and fully covered?
Unreallystic wrote: its 4s that make the ISO 'never enough'
simonsez wrote: Unreallystic wrote: its 4s that make the ISO 'never enough' Yes, hence my question. Solving the ISO problem by ignoring 4*s isn't much of a solution...
Unreallystic wrote: I'm not saying you should hold on to the ISO or ignore 4s, just that I can understand being in that situation. Only reason I'm not in a similar situation is I lvl'd all my characters to at least 120 - that I could, so even Beast has ISO thrown his way, instead of maxxing out XF (scaling has kept me from doing it). - Unreall
puppychow wrote: Unreallystic wrote: I'm not saying you should hold on to the ISO or ignore 4s, just that I can understand being in that situation. Only reason I'm not in a similar situation is I lvl'd all my characters to at least 120 - that I could, so even Beast has ISO thrown his way, instead of maxxing out XF (scaling has kept me from doing it). - Unreall I think you're doing the smart thing--leveling up your characters evenly to 120, and getting the most bang for your iso. This also helps in scaling for pve events. And yes, even beast is worth leveling to 120, b/c D3 made adjustments this past spring that made Beast playable now (specifically lowering cost to trigger bl as that is the basis for his other abilities).
DFiPL wrote: my perspective is: how much time would it take you to earn that ISO...? How do you value your time?
Turbosmooth wrote: There has to be a way to make you put in a lot of game time. Because if the whole game progression could be bought for cheap, would you still even want to play? Manually progressing the characters is part of the motivation to keep going. I guess the other part is to get good enough to win missing covers/new characters. My current goals are to get 4*/3* fully covered (collecting each one) and to level 166. I do not have a goal to take 4* above 166 at least at this time because that would hurt my PvE scaling. I have duplicates of a few: R&G, GSBW, Cage, Cyclops. I had more duplicates, but ended up selling. These duplicates made more sense when health packs were at 5. I'm going to be very selective of further duplicates. Fist might be the only other one I'll take on. However, none of the duplicates have been leveled up. I have 20 other characters I need to level up to 150 before I march them all to 166. That will take me many months, and will be slowed down with each new character.
Unreallystic wrote: Turbosmooth wrote: There has to be a way to make you put in a lot of game time. Because if the whole game progression could be bought for cheap, would you still even want to play? Manually progressing the characters is part of the motivation to keep going. I guess the other part is to get good enough to win missing covers/new characters. My current goals are to get 4*/3* fully covered (collecting each one) and to level 166. I do not have a goal to take 4* above 166 at least at this time because that would hurt my PvE scaling. I have duplicates of a few: R&G, GSBW, Cage, Cyclops. I had more duplicates, but ended up selling. These duplicates made more sense when health packs were at 5. I'm going to be very selective of further duplicates. Fist might be the only other one I'll take on. However, none of the duplicates have been leveled up. I have 20 other characters I need to level up to 150 before I march them all to 166. That will take me many months, and will be slowed down with each new character. But if that was really the case, why even offer ISO as purchasable. Someone buying ISO until they get tired verse someone playing for a year and never spending a dime...who do they make more money off of? The goal should b3e a happy medium, I'm not saying a fire sale, 1 million ISO for $5, no, but cost should be adjusted such that it might make sense to buy ISO. Let's say you have9 covers for 3hor and decide to finally start leveling him. To do it through available ISO options, getting him to 166 (144k) would take almost exactly $200. NOPE. Not even goign to touch the 4* that take so long due to ISO, like twice as long. the cost of ISO simply is too high for purchasing, especially in today's MPQ ISO economy. - Unreall
Unreallystic wrote: With the ISO change + the multiple boosted character thing, it just made sense. The pro about it, I can almost always field a competitive team. The con is despite being covered back when he was in prime form, my XF is like 170 as my highest...so boosted 4s squash me. So I'm pretty strong up until my 'ceiling'. I ironically decided this week to start the 4* transition so we'll see how it goes... - Unreall
puppychow wrote: Unreallystic wrote: With the ISO change + the multiple boosted character thing, it just made sense. The pro about it, I can almost always field a competitive team. The con is despite being covered back when he was in prime form, my XF is like 170 as my highest...so boosted 4s squash me. So I'm pretty strong up until my 'ceiling'. I ironically decided this week to start the 4* transition so we'll see how it goes... - Unreall My highest level character is a 181 xf. That's it. After that I have a one page of 166 characters. It's less than one page of 166s, actually. But I still manage to do fairly decent in pvp. For the current marvel event, I needed to pick a different ending time than usual, and as a result I got stuck w/ a lot of xmen. It sux because half my top 10 are xmen. On the other hand, with so many xmen crawling all over my queues, I made three hits this morning for 70, 60, 60 points, all off xmen. And they were fielding max covered things, HBs, IFs, the usual defense that whales use. My secret? Boosted marvel & cmag protecting punisher until his retribution can go off. The point I'm making is two-fold: first, you DON'T need to have max 4s to be competitive in pvp. Second, a well rounded roster, full of 120 guys is good enough to hang with the big boys.
puppychow wrote: On the other hand, with so many xmen crawling all over my queues, I made three hits this morning for 70, 60, 60 points, all off xmen. And they were fielding max covered things, HBs, IFs, the usual defense that whales use. My secret? Boosted marvel & cmag protecting punisher until his retribution can go off. The point I'm making is two-fold: first, you DON'T need to have max 4s to be competitive in pvp. Second, a well rounded roster, full of 120 guys is good enough to hang with the big boys.
Bowgentle wrote: puppychow wrote: On the other hand, with so many xmen crawling all over my queues, I made three hits this morning for 70, 60, 60 points, all off xmen. And they were fielding max covered things, HBs, IFs, the usual defense that whales use. My secret? Boosted marvel & cmag protecting punisher until his retribution can go off. The point I'm making is two-fold: first, you DON'T need to have max 4s to be competitive in pvp. Second, a well rounded roster, full of 120 guys is good enough to hang with the big boys. And I'm guessing you were out of Health Packs after those 3 matches, or were losing points faster than you could say "I have no defense". It's nice that you can beat any team with any team - the point of doing it with Fistbuster or someone like Fist/Black Panther is that you need to win _fast_ and you need to win a _lot_ of matches to be able to race from 800 to a decent shielding position (at least 1k, ideally 1100+) for the final leg to 1300. Try to make it unshielded to 1k with your Punisher team, let us know how that goes. That's usually the place for first shields in an X-Men slice if you start with about 24 hrs to go.