Thor & Wolverine re-work , poll inside.

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Ive seen countless posts arguing that thor and wolverine has been nerfed so hard that they are now un-playable. So i decided , let's make a poll and see how much of the forums are actually for and against it

Thor's poll : http://strawpoll.me/1106123

Wolverine poll : http://strawpoll.me/1106124

Please leave a comment if you so wish , but please , if you think they got nerfed too hard , give advice on how they should have changed it , or if it's just right , say why you feel the rework was alright, don't turn this into another QQ thread.

I'll start first. I think that the reworks were fine, there was obviously way to much of both everywhere. Wolverine constant healing and low cost green could make any fight easy and over without a struggle, Thor was the '' if i reach this many reds / yellow '' bye bye to one of your herores and hello cascades. I still have fun with my wolverine and use him constantly but i can't have him carry all of my games for me anymore , which I like.I am no longer just breezing trough every match in 7 or 8 turns. If i would suggest anything , is to put Thor's red to create 5 yellows again and not just 3 , but that;s about it.

Clintman

If people had other covers and ISO costs were cheaper to level you would see greater team diversity. Everyone ran and still runs Thor and wolverine because that is what they have.

Unknown

who said they're balanced? Weakened and balanced are never the same thing.

Unknown

For Thor, i think that they shud allow his red to cr8 5 instead of 3 or chg his red into yellow ap generator like how his yellow works .
Bcuz the current most famous ap generator from this game is storm modern, the only one who can chg the tiles, generates ap and environmental easily, and i hope dev could cr8 new covers who can focus on ap generation to compete with storm modern as i've been bored seeing storm modern to be the only ap generator used on most tourney = =

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Typhon13 wrote:

who said they're balanced? Weakened and balanced are never the same thing.

If they were OP, weakened to the correct degree MEANS balanced.

Wolverine is OK now.

Thor's red went from great to downright horrible, the other 2 skills are good and interact well.

Unknown

Thor's fine. Much more feeder/control oriented, but fine. Yet another too obvious build job (3/5/5 unless you're never going to touch that green), but whatever.

Wolverine I think might still be a little too strong, tbh, but probably not. Need to relevel before I can find out for myself because, my god, that yellow! So yeah, too obvious build again, but otherwise probably about right. I mean, he's still a better strike tile spitter than ***Punisher, but he is a specialist, so that's not wrong.

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Il Palazzo wrote:

Typhon13 wrote:

who said they're balanced? Weakened and balanced are never the same thing.

If they were OP, weakened to the correct degree MEANS balanced.

Wolverine is OK now.

Thor's red went from great to downright horrible, the other 2 skills are good and interact well.

If one aspect of a character is weakened the have to be strengthened equally in another area to be balanced, or else you're just screwing people. Thor's green still isn't strong enough to make up for the weakening of red and yellow.

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Typhon13 wrote:

Il Palazzo wrote:

Typhon13 wrote:

who said they're balanced? Weakened and balanced are never the same thing.

If they were OP, weakened to the correct degree MEANS balanced.

Wolverine is OK now.

Thor's red went from great to downright horrible, the other 2 skills are good and interact well.

If one aspect of a character is weakened the have to be strengthened equally in another area to be balanced, or else you're just screwing people. Thor's green still isn't strong enough to make up for the weakening of red and yellow.

I think Thor is right were he needs to be if you made his green any more powerful he should be a three star character. People need to remember that these characters are just building blocks to better things. They were never meant to be used the way that they are.

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Typhon13 wrote:

Il Palazzo wrote:

Typhon13 wrote:

who said they're balanced? Weakened and balanced are never the same thing.

If they were OP, weakened to the correct degree MEANS balanced.

Wolverine is OK now.

Thor's red went from great to downright horrible, the other 2 skills are good and interact well.

If one aspect of a character is weakened the have to be strengthened equally in another area to be balanced, or else you're just screwing people. Thor's green still isn't strong enough to make up for the weakening of red and yellow.

Not true, because you aren't balancing him against himself, you are balancing him against the field. Which quite a few people seem to agree with them having done.

Mawtful

Both are balanced just fine.

I really like the new Wolverine. Sold my old one off to level Patch, and I am looking forward to building a new 2*.

Thor can still hit hard and that green AP generation is great; it creates options for team building.

Unknown

To the people who Think Wolvie and Thor are weak, name 2-stars who are significantly stronger.

Kolence

Hello, this is my first post.

I think Thor is just fine. Really, it seems that his description of how the developers imagined him corresponds with how he plays now.

Wolverine is ok, but I would have liked if his healing still activated when matching yellows when above 50 percent health, only in smaller amount, maybe? The closer to max health he is the smaller amount would be healed, and not necessarily up to full HP. Because Wolverine isn't really a tank and doesn't have that many HP to begin with.

Also if Wolverine is matched against himself, if a player gets a lucky match and more red AP then the other he could "eat up" all the red tiles before the other player much more easily then before (strike per 3 instead of 5 red). I don't know if this was unintentional or not, but it's a minor problem really. In the end it's the same for both players.

To the people who Think Wolvie and Thor are weak, name 2-stars who are significantly stronger.

Only Ares could be compared to them in terms of damaging strength, in my opinion. And if he is a little stronger he is certainly more reckless and can easily "get burned". But nowhere near "significantly" stronger.

I hope my English was not too bad.

Mawtful

Kolence wrote:

I hope my English was not too bad.

Your English is excellent.

Unknown

If Thors red produced more yellow then you'd probably be able to run all three attacks in a single turn. I think this is why the red ability is much weaker, because it wouldn't be right if Thor could take out an entire team in a single turn - I don't think any hero should be THAT strong.

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ihearthawthats wrote:

To the people who Think Wolvie and Thor are weak, name 2-stars who are significantly stronger.

I rock a full team of 100+ three stars and the only two star I ever use is OBW

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ihearthawthats wrote:

To the people who Think Wolvie and Thor are weak, name 2-stars who are significantly stronger.

The problem with that challenge is (because ISO is so constrained) almost no one has a lot of other 2 star characters that are max leveled to make comparisons.

If you had a max Thor/Wolverine/C.Storm .. it's not likely you also had a maxed Moonstone, Magneto NOW, Hawkeye, OBW, etc.

More likely, any extra ISO was funneled into three star/four star characters or went to buying boosts to 'keep up with the jonses' in PvP.

Unknown

Well, i think Thor is ok, but Wolvie just dies way too fast. Wouldn't call his yellow ability "regeneration" at all, the way its functioning just reminds me of using a "healing potion"^^.

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Toxicadam wrote:

ihearthawthats wrote:

To the people who Think Wolvie and Thor are weak, name 2-stars who are significantly stronger.

The problem with that challenge is (because ISO is so constrained) almost no one has a lot of other 2 star characters that are max leveled to make comparisons.

If you had a max Thor/Wolverine/C.Storm .. it's not likely you also had a maxed Moonstone, Magneto NOW, Hawkeye, OBW, etc.

More likely, any extra ISO was funneled into three star/four star characters or went to buying boosts to 'keep up with the jonses' in PvP.

Does anyone have a maxed Magneto the Short-Sleeved? His whole purpose seems to be to sit there being not very good and, in any case, obsolete by the time you could have used him. I haven't max leveled them all but I have had substantial use out of everyone except the 2-color Dark Avengers, who never seemed worth it, and Bag-Man.

Spoit

Thor is fine, it just shifted the good moves from red and yellow to yellow and green.

Wolvie was nerfed a bit too hard, IMO. Sure his red does a bit more damage, but now he's probably one of the worst strike tile characters, and his healing is...not so great. Honestly, Daken is probably a better 2* strike tile guy now, especially since he takes purple and black

mischiefmaker

Veracity wrote:

Does anyone have a maxed Magneto the Short-Sleeved? His whole purpose seems to be to sit there being not very good and, in any case, obsolete by the time you could have used him. I haven't max leveled them all but I have had substantial use out of everyone except the 2-color Dark Avengers, who never seemed worth it, and Bag-Man.

I've seen a couple of maxed MMNs in PvP, usually paired with CStorm. About as squishy as they come on defense, but I imagine kinda fun to play on O.

I got a bit of use out of my MMN during the first Hunt event before they made buffed characters not have buffed critical multipliers. That was a blast and a half.

Gigas Breaker

Thor's 5/5 Thunder Strike is pretty great. I still enjoy using him. Wolverine not so much. Luckily I only have one more cover to get for Patch.