Need some Roster Help.Please

dfields3710

Hi, I'm NoGimmicks and I am in the Team Tesla Alliance. I'm at day 139(10 days from xforce).


I jus wanted to know where I am (transition wise) and need some roster help.

My roster:29/30
1*
lvl 40 IM35 5/5/3

2*
lvl 94 Ares 5/3/5
lvl 94 OBW 3/5/5
lvl 94 Moonstone 5/5/3
lvl 94 Ms. Marvel 3/5/5
lvl 94 Daken 3/5/5
lvl 94 A. Wolvie 3/5/5
lvl 43 Thor 3/5/4
Sold all the other 2*s(laughed at bagman)

3*
lvl 55 Hulk 2/1/2
lvl 55 Cyclops 1/1/2
lvl 53 Gamora 2/3/0
lvl 45 KKhan 2/3/1
lvl 45 Iron Fist 2/1/1
lvl 43 Punisher 1/2/0
lvl 43 GSBW 1/1/0
lvl 43 Blade 1/1/0
lvl 43 Sentry 1/1/0
lvl 40 Patch W. 0/3/0
lvl 40 Steve Rodgers 1/0/2
lvl 40 IM40 0/2/1
lvl 40 Scarlet Witch 2/0/1
lvl 40 She hulk 0/1/0
lvl 40 Mags 1/1/0
lvl 40 Hood 2/1/0
lvl 40 Mystique 0/0/1
lvl 40 LThor 0/1/0
Sold DareDevil 2x, Mags 2x, Mystique 2x, Spiderman, Capt. Marvel, Beast, QuickSilver and do not plan on selling Sentry(My Fav)

4*
Thoress 0/1/0
Starlord 1/0/1
Hulkbuster 0/0/1 (about to be 0/1/1 after PVE)
Sold Nick Fury(Newbie foolishness), Elektra(regret it), xforce(had him 0/3/0 thought he was the cause of my ridiculous PVP scaling.)

I do not plan on selling Starlord though want him 5/3/5. Not selling Sentry, though I want him 5/5/3. After I level 2*Thor plan to move on to 3*s. I am open to any suggestions.

Thanks for reading and commenting.

Unknown

This'll sound generic but if its possible, don't sell any of the 3* that you get from any events. Your 2* roster is pretty solid and should allow you to place well in PVE, and in PVP (if you use a 3 hour shield). I would hold out on spending iso on 3* and 4* but if you're itching to spend, bring to close to level 94. Your Hulk, Cyclops, KK and Ironfist are coming along nicely. I'm sure you can get away with selling Moonstone to get a new 3* and you might as well get 2* Thor to 94 cause Ares and Thor are interchangeable in 2* land. Just don't miss those DDQ and good luck!

snlf25

Daredevil, mags and Captain marvel are all great covers, don't sell anymore of those! Respec Fishnets Black Widow to 5/5/3, her black isn't worth sacrificing any purple or blue, two of the very best 2* powers in the entire game. If you find yourself in a pinch for a roster spot Moonstone is the one to jettison. If you can, find a spot on your team for a Juggernaught. He is great for DDQ, Combined Arms and Balance of Power. Otherwise as far as 2* goes get Thor to 94 and 3/5/5 as soon as you can. Do the ddq everyday and win as many 3* covers as you can. Nearly all of them have value and uses.

dfields3710

Lol why don't anyone like Moonstone. She is useful in some ways(her red is killer).

snlf25

It's also expensive and dependent on there being a lot of red tiles on the board. Which there usually isn't after you've scooped them all up to get enough to fire it off anyway. By comparison, 3* Cap red costs only 3 more ap, hits for over 4100 damage every time and then 3 turns later you get most of the ap back if you can protect the countdown tile which you usually can since you get to place it. It's all about value.

EDIT: Forgot to add that a 2* storm with maxed out blue and yellow powers could be tremendously useful to you in this stage of your transition.

Unknown

Get a second obw.
Your life will be so much better during transistion, trust me.

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snlf25 wrote:

Respec Fishnets Black Widow to 5/5/3, her black isn't worth sacrificing any purple or blue, two of the very best 2* powers in the entire game.

Hell, no! Don't do that! If you keep her at 3 it's a 2match power which is a big big difference.
The only one who would need a respec is ares to 4/4/5. Look up the difference between 4 and 5 in green and you'll know why.

grunth13

Also, most 3 star characters are not worth paying until you have more covers. Keep playing pve and get as many covers as possible. Also if you aren't already in apve alliance that is top 100, get into it quick because that wool give you a extra cover each week. Right now you have beginners smattering of 3's, once you have maybe 8+ covers on a single character, then level them up to 94 so that it doesn't kill your scaling. Also try and late start some pvp and see if you can get some top 100 finishes for more covers.

Tannen

snlf25 wrote:

Respec Fishnets Black Widow to 5/5/3, her black isn't worth sacrificing any purple or blue, two of the very best 2* powers in the entire game.

No. Just no. This is the worst piece of advice you could possibly take. Keep her at 3/5/5. Let me explain why so that you can make your own, informed, decision.

OBW's black causes her to steal another blue/black/purple from the enemy team if she matches any of those colours (at 3 covers, it's guaranteed to do all three) she adds damage to those same matches for cover 4 and 5.
OBW's purple at 3 covers costs 8. Purple at 4 costs 10. Purple at 5 costs 11. She steals an extra 1 ap at 4 covers and steals purple at 5 covers.

When she's matching purple, she also steals a purple from the opponent's pool (assuming they have any) so generally, during your match, this power becomes a 2 match (2 x 3gems + 2 x 1 purple steal) and fire power. If you even put one additional cover (4) into the power it becomes a 3 match power (3 x 3 gems + 3 x 1 purple steal), assuming that everything is normal. That you can fire off 3 steals (3x3=9 gems stolen) for six matches vs 2 steals (2x4=8gems stolen) doesn't even compare to the speed bonus -- that extra match can be the difference between firing it off and removing their AP or taking an adamantine slash to the face.

Then there's the extra damage on black. It's only small, so it's not worth it, right? Assuming max level and that you match purple the initial hit is 3x55 (165) and the secondary hit is only 122, so it's ****, right? Well, it does almost double her initial hit, so it's not that bad, but then you add in strike tiles - from wolverine, or daken for example. The power "double dips" on strike tiles because the two sources of damage are separate -- For example, if you have 500 additional dmg from strike tiles, the initial hit now does 565 and the secondary hit does 522 per match in the P/K/B colours -- assuming that she's matching them. So instead of simply doing 565 dmg (without covers 4/5 in black) you're doing 1087 dmg instead.

It is well worth keeping purple at 3 and black at 5. That is currently her ideal build. If you're at anything else, you probably want to consider swapping.

Cheers,
- T

dfields3710

Well I had OBW at 5/5/3 before I respec her. Me personally like 3/5/5 because when you get a match 5 that bonus damage is amazing. Pair her with Daken and A. Wolvie and you are doing 600+ or more if you are making matches in her color. I do want to get another her so I can have her at 5/5/3 so I can steal massive amounts of ap. Her ap steal build seems like it can help 2* Capt and Moonstone because of there high cost.

snlf25

That's part of the beauty of this game, there are so many ways to play. Just as strongly as they feel 3/5/5 is right I feel 5/5/3 is right. There is no describing how valuable it is having the ability to steal 4 of each ap. Say you are fighting Thor and he is getting close to firing his yellow which will give him enough to fire green and waste you. You have 12 purple ap, you fire off and steal 4 yellows and greens and everything else. He has to make 2 matches or a match 4 to get ready again. And if you are lucky and get a match purple you might be able to swipe 4 more from him before he can do that and you've given your other characters everything they need to use their abilities in the meantime. Great for DDQ too. If you use it right before you finish the last goon in a round you can set it up where round 2 and 4 enemies have a lot less to work with so they can't automatically hit you with powers. To me the black power was too conditional on being able to have strike tiles on the board and is just another color that put her in front to take damage.

defixu

Putting covers into a color does not change the tile match values, only levelling a character with iso changes those. So regardless whether your OBW has 5 (right) or 3 (wrong) black covers, her tile match value will stay the same. If it is the highest tile match value, she will match and steal/damage if you have covered her properly, or just steal if you have covered her wrongly.

The worst build would be an underleveled 5 purple 3 black OBW who does not match her colors. Sure, Recon is still useful, and somebody else can tank for her, but you lose a lot of speed and damage. For example, I use OBW a lot with Patch against goons. If his berserker rage is out, she deals almost 2k dmg per blue/purple/black match.

PeterGibbons316

Tannen wrote:

snlf25 wrote:

Respec Fishnets Black Widow to 5/5/3, her black isn't worth sacrificing any purple or blue, two of the very best 2* powers in the entire game.

No. Just no. This is the worst piece of advice you could possibly take. Keep her at 3/5/5. Let me explain why so that you can make your own, informed, decision.

OBW's black causes her to steal another blue/black/purple from the enemy team if she matches any of those colours (at 3 covers, it's guaranteed to do all three) she adds damage to those same matches for cover 4 and 5.
OBW's purple at 3 covers costs 8. Purple at 4 costs 10. Purple at 5 costs 11. She steals an extra 1 ap at 4 covers and steals purple at 5 covers.

When she's matching purple, she also steals a purple from the opponent's pool (assuming they have any) so generally, during your match, this power becomes a 2 match (2 x 3gems + 2 x 1 purple steal) and fire power. If you even put one additional cover (4) into the power it becomes a 3 match power (3 x 3 gems + 3 x 1 purple steal), assuming that everything is normal. That you can fire off 3 steals (3x3=9 gems stolen) for six matches vs 2 steals (2x4=8gems stolen) doesn't even compare to the speed bonus -- that extra match can be the difference between firing it off and removing their AP or taking an adamantine slash to the face.

Then there's the extra damage on black. It's only small, so it's not worth it, right? Assuming max level and that you match purple the initial hit is 3x55 (165) and the secondary hit is only 122, so it's ****, right? Well, it does almost double her initial hit, so it's not that bad, but then you add in strike tiles - from wolverine, or daken for example. The power "double dips" on strike tiles because the two sources of damage are separate -- For example, if you have 500 additional dmg from strike tiles, the initial hit now does 565 and the secondary hit does 522 per match in the P/K/B colours -- assuming that she's matching them. So instead of simply doing 565 dmg (without covers 4/5 in black) you're doing 1087 dmg instead.

It is well worth keeping purple at 3 and black at 5. That is currently her ideal build. If you're at anything else, you probably want to consider swapping.

Cheers,
- T

Came in to say all of this^

ESPECIALLY if you are using her with daken/wolvie (was always my favorite 2* team). I still use her with hulk/patch even.


If you need roster slots moonstone and ms. marvel should be the first to go, I think you can just go ahead and get rid of 2* Thor too, or at least stop putting ISO into him.

Malcrof

PeterGibbons316 wrote:

Tannen wrote:

snlf25 wrote:

Respec Fishnets Black Widow to 5/5/3, her black isn't worth sacrificing any purple or blue, two of the very best 2* powers in the entire game.

No. Just no. This is the worst piece of advice you could possibly take. Keep her at 3/5/5. Let me explain why so that you can make your own, informed, decision.

OBW's black causes her to steal another blue/black/purple from the enemy team if she matches any of those colours (at 3 covers, it's guaranteed to do all three) she adds damage to those same matches for cover 4 and 5.
OBW's purple at 3 covers costs 8. Purple at 4 costs 10. Purple at 5 costs 11. She steals an extra 1 ap at 4 covers and steals purple at 5 covers.

When she's matching purple, she also steals a purple from the opponent's pool (assuming they have any) so generally, during your match, this power becomes a 2 match (2 x 3gems + 2 x 1 purple steal) and fire power. If you even put one additional cover (4) into the power it becomes a 3 match power (3 x 3 gems + 3 x 1 purple steal), assuming that everything is normal. That you can fire off 3 steals (3x3=9 gems stolen) for six matches vs 2 steals (2x4=8gems stolen) doesn't even compare to the speed bonus -- that extra match can be the difference between firing it off and removing their AP or taking an adamantine slash to the face.

Then there's the extra damage on black. It's only small, so it's not worth it, right? Assuming max level and that you match purple the initial hit is 3x55 (165) and the secondary hit is only 122, so it's ****, right? Well, it does almost double her initial hit, so it's not that bad, but then you add in strike tiles - from wolverine, or daken for example. The power "double dips" on strike tiles because the two sources of damage are separate -- For example, if you have 500 additional dmg from strike tiles, the initial hit now does 565 and the secondary hit does 522 per match in the P/K/B colours -- assuming that she's matching them. So instead of simply doing 565 dmg (without covers 4/5 in black) you're doing 1087 dmg instead.

It is well worth keeping purple at 3 and black at 5. That is currently her ideal build. If you're at anything else, you probably want to consider swapping.

Cheers,
- T

Came in to say all of this^

ESPECIALLY if you are using her with daken/wolvie (was always my favorite 2* team). I still use her with hulk/patch even.


If you need roster slots moonstone and ms. marvel should be the first to go, I think you can just go ahead and get rid of 2* Thor too, or at least stop putting ISO into him.

Ms Marvel i personally think is a keeper. High HP, and on the final round of DPD, when i am done using up all my skills with Thor , if anyone is left, a couple sonic booms takes care of them quickly.

Always save sonics for last, when you have depleted all other AP skills, as it has an AP reduction tied to it, but she is definitely a keeper, and boom does over 2k when boosted in an event at 5 covers (total if not matched before countdown is over)

Unknown

Tannen wrote:

snlf25 wrote:

Respec Fishnets Black Widow to 5/5/3, her black isn't worth sacrificing any purple or blue, two of the very best 2* powers in the entire game.

No. Just no. This is the worst piece of advice you could possibly take. Keep her at 3/5/5. Let me explain why so that you can make your own, informed, decision.

OBW's black causes her to steal another blue/black/purple from the enemy team if she matches any of those colours (at 3 covers, it's guaranteed to do all three) she adds damage to those same matches for cover 4 and 5.
OBW's purple at 3 covers costs 8. Purple at 4 costs 10. Purple at 5 costs 11. She steals an extra 1 ap at 4 covers and steals purple at 5 covers.

When she's matching purple, she also steals a purple from the opponent's pool (assuming they have any) so generally, during your match, this power becomes a 2 match (2 x 3gems + 2 x 1 purple steal) and fire power. If you even put one additional cover (4) into the power it becomes a 3 match power (3 x 3 gems + 3 x 1 purple steal), assuming that everything is normal. That you can fire off 3 steals (3x3=9 gems stolen) for six matches vs 2 steals (2x4=8gems stolen) doesn't even compare to the speed bonus -- that extra match can be the difference between firing it off and removing their AP or taking an adamantine slash to the face.

Then there's the extra damage on black. It's only small, so it's not worth it, right? Assuming max level and that you match purple the initial hit is 3x55 (165) and the secondary hit is only 122, so it's ****, right? Well, it does almost double her initial hit, so it's not that bad, but then you add in strike tiles - from wolverine, or daken for example. The power "double dips" on strike tiles because the two sources of damage are separate -- For example, if you have 500 additional dmg from strike tiles, the initial hit now does 565 and the secondary hit does 522 per match in the P/K/B colours -- assuming that she's matching them. So instead of simply doing 565 dmg (without covers 4/5 in black) you're doing 1087 dmg instead.

It is well worth keeping purple at 3 and black at 5. That is currently her ideal build. If you're at anything else, you probably want to consider swapping.

Cheers,
- T

Wow... I know there is a lot that I still don't understand about this game, but this post puts into perspective for me that I have so much more to learn than I thought... Thank you for posting this. Now, I'm wondering if I messed up on any of mine...

Unknown

I still find OBW (2/5/5) to be the most useful, excepting Ninja PVE and other rarer situations like Torch or Psylocke. The quicker steal for colors makes it easier to prevent/delay quick attacks like Chemical Reaction, or Razor's edge while usually totally preventing high range attacks like Call the Storm or Adamantium Slash. The jump from 7-8 is a huge difference because you can usually get 7 AP in 2 matches (with espionage), whereas 8 relies on you to let the AI match Purple first, which if you're stealing the other colors, probably isn't a priority for them.

Agree with 445 Ares respec.
There is a rumored Moonstone buff, so keep her at least until they make the changes. You can sell her for HP if she ends up being no good.
Unless you're buying covers for 3*, you'll probably just end up using whatever you get 9-10 covers for first.

The weakness of your roster is board control. You'll probably have trouble against goons, with no characters like Cap, Storm, MNMags, Falcon. Even minor control chars like Thor, IF, or GSBW are not ready to go. If you're playing mostly PVP or have an aggressive style, then this won't be as much of a problem.

dfields3710

daibar wrote:

I still find OBW (2/5/5) to be the most useful, excepting Ninja PVE and other rarer situations like Torch or Psylocke. The quicker steal for colors makes it easier to prevent/delay quick attacks like Chemical Reaction, or Razor's edge while usually totally preventing high range attacks like Call the Storm or Adamantium Slash. The jump from 7-8 is a huge difference because you can usually get 7 AP in 2 matches (with espionage), whereas 8 relies on you to let the AI match Purple first, which if you're stealing the other colors, probably isn't a priority for them.

Agree with 445 Ares respec.
There is a rumored Moonstone buff, so keep her at least until they make the changes. You can sell her for HP if she ends up being no good.
Unless you're buying covers for 3*, you'll probably just end up using whatever you get 9-10 covers for first.

The weakness of your roster is board control. You'll probably have trouble against goons, with no characters like Cap, Storm, MNMags, Falcon. Even minor control chars like Thor, IF, or GSBW are not ready to go. If you're playing mostly PVP or have an aggressive style, then this won't be as much of a problem.

I have 3*Cap, 3*Storm, and Falcon now. And now my Thor lvl 88