Jester Day wrote: That is absolutely blatantly untrue and incredibly silly as a statement. With that reasoning, Spiderman should have trivialised content far longer than he did. Likewise for Magneto, and shudder to think of it, Ragnarok. Nerfing any of those with less than 33% at the time of their changes would have been akin to pissing on an open fire. Likewise, X-force trivialises content. Do I think he is hurt a bit much. Perhaps. Time will tell, but I wager he will still be in quite a few teams. And I do not even have a starting clue what you mean by the "true heal penalty". That he only has 11k hitpoints? Then colour me unimpressed by that as an argument, since I think that I have used X-force to sponge more than buffed Hulk and buffed Thor ever could in matches. If people hadn't focused so hard on his green, they would long ago have noticed that the yellow is actually a very potent power as well.
Lerysh wrote: Jester Day wrote: That is absolutely blatantly untrue and incredibly silly as a statement. With that reasoning, Spiderman should have trivialised content far longer than he did. Likewise for Magneto, and shudder to think of it, Ragnarok. Nerfing any of those with less than 33% at the time of their changes would have been akin to pissing on an open fire. Likewise, X-force trivialises content. Do I think he is hurt a bit much. Perhaps. Time will tell, but I wager he will still be in quite a few teams. And I do not even have a starting clue what you mean by the "true heal penalty". That he only has 11k hitpoints? Then colour me unimpressed by that as an argument, since I think that I have used X-force to sponge more than buffed Hulk and buffed Thor ever could in matches. If people hadn't focused so hard on his green, they would long ago have noticed that the yellow is actually a very potent power as well. Spiderman and Magneto both had infinte broken turn combos going on. XF does not have that. He only had the misfortune of winning the title of "Best". How exactly is playing the game to win trivializing content? That is the content. PvP ranking is part of that content. To rank well you use guys that play fast. XF plays the fastest. Therefore to rank well you use XF. That didn't make him "broken", just "good". Also, while Beast may be a harsh comparison, he is totally basically Groot now. Same HP, same green damage, same 11 cost high damage output power, same yellow true healing board shake (although XF does edge Groot on damage here). 4*s deserve to be more than pretty 3*s. 60% more, the dev's even said so. Given Groot is a tank class and XF is now a sub striker class with true heal, the least they could do is increase his post nerf green's damage by 60%, which would be more like a 900 point reduction from current so ~3,600 not ~2,000 and a 20% decrease, not a 44% one (from ~4500).
Phumade wrote: I actually like Kamala Khan and thought that she was a lot of fun to play. However, I never thought I would use her because of the green color conflict. These changes really alter game dynamics and allow for some fun new synergies.I feel really bad for the people that don't know how to adapt and adjust their strategies to fit the new dynamics. I remember when lots of people thought Gypsy Danger was a blatant out and out cheater because he could score at will blah blah blah. Now everyone shield hops and uses out of game coordination. I for one would say that Gypsy and his team mates were just smarter than everyone else and recognized a legitimate strategy that no one else including developers for saw. It makes me sad to see how narrow minded the forum players are and not recognize that this is a great opportunity to change up the dynamics of the game and improve their personal and alliance rankings. I for one will focus my energies on helping my team mates grow and adjust to the new dynamics. I'm sure that just like in the last nerf, alliances rankings will shuffle some alliances will merge and fold and we will slide up another tier in the season standings.
Pylgrim wrote: Agreed that Grocket is a better comparison that Beast, but X-Force still comes quite ahead. Grocket's green is only comparable X-Force at 5 covers (which most people avoid) and even then, it deals a bit more damage than X-Force but with much less board shake and costing 2 more. If you count green at 5 covers, then yellow will have to be 3. At 3 covers, X-Force regenerates more life (I'm ignoring the secondary effects of both abilities as they are too different to be compared). Lastly, to deal the same damage as the new Surgical Strike with an average of 9 tiles destroyed, I Got A Plan needs two turns of his countdown surviving, then around 6 matches, in which all the strike tiles must survive. It's not even close, and IGAP is an excellent ability!
Lerysh wrote: Pylgrim wrote: Agreed that Grocket is a better comparison that Beast, but X-Force still comes quite ahead. Grocket's green is only comparable X-Force at 5 covers (which most people avoid) and even then, it deals a bit more damage than X-Force but with much less board shake and costing 2 more. If you count green at 5 covers, then yellow will have to be 3. At 3 covers, X-Force regenerates more life (I'm ignoring the secondary effects of both abilities as they are too different to be compared). Lastly, to deal the same damage as the new Surgical Strike with an average of 9 tiles destroyed, I Got A Plan needs two turns of his countdown surviving, then around 6 matches, in which all the strike tiles must survive. It's not even close, and IGAP is an excellent ability! The IGAP CD almost always usually goes off, since it's placed. And it's not 6 turns, it's 6 uses. You can get 6 cheap uses out of say.. Cage or Iron Fist, and from mini cascades. Also the primary reason for not having Grocket's Green at 5 was "XF's green is better" and that's not the case anymore. I've always had Grocket's green at 5, because that's what was best for Grocket as a stand alone character. Does XF shake the board more? Possibly. Does that make him 60% better? No. Does he even heal 60% more? No. I'll give you that SS is better than IGAP because of the speed. But that's not enough. And all these comparisons make XF a 3* Tank character, not a 4* brawler character. A power that does ~250 damage per AP on a 4* character is just ludicrous on it's face. It's a terrible terrible power now.
Pylgrim wrote: Lerysh wrote: Pylgrim wrote: Agreed that Grocket is a better comparison that Beast, but X-Force still comes quite ahead. Grocket's green is only comparable X-Force at 5 covers (which most people avoid) and even then, it deals a bit more damage than X-Force but with much less board shake and costing 2 more. If you count green at 5 covers, then yellow will have to be 3. At 3 covers, X-Force regenerates more life (I'm ignoring the secondary effects of both abilities as they are too different to be compared). Lastly, to deal the same damage as the new Surgical Strike with an average of 9 tiles destroyed, I Got A Plan needs two turns of his countdown surviving, then around 6 matches, in which all the strike tiles must survive. It's not even close, and IGAP is an excellent ability! The IGAP CD almost always usually goes off, since it's placed. And it's not 6 turns, it's 6 uses. You can get 6 cheap uses out of say.. Cage or Iron Fist, and from mini cascades. Also the primary reason for not having Grocket's Green at 5 was "XF's green is better" and that's not the case anymore. I've always had Grocket's green at 5, because that's what was best for Grocket as a stand alone character. Does XF shake the board more? Possibly. Does that make him 60% better? No. Does he even heal 60% more? No. I'll give you that SS is better than IGAP because of the speed. But that's not enough. And all these comparisons make XF a 3* Tank character, not a 4* brawler character. A power that does ~250 damage per AP on a 4* character is just ludicrous on it's face. It's a terrible terrible power now. Completely agreed, X-Force (the power) is, while not terribly bad, not 4* worthy. However, as I stated in another thread, I believe that the extreme degree of nerf that that ability suffered was deliberate with the intent of making most other green abilities more playable, and as consequence, characters with a green skill more playable. (see your own comment on Grocket). I know that I'll be playing the new Xforce along with Kamala, tanking green for her but using Embiggened Bash instead of X-Force. I am very tempted to go 5 yellow covers on X-Force now as he basically recovers full health from an inch of his life, or deals 3.6k damage plus cascades if matched.
Phumade wrote: I actually like Kamala Khan and thought that she was a lot of fun to play. However, I never thought I would use her because of the green color conflict. These changes really alter game dynamics and allow for some fun new synergies. I feel really bad for the people that don't know how to adapt and adjust their strategies to fit the new dynamics. I remember when lots of people thought Gypsy Danger was a blatant out and out cheater because he could score at will blah blah blah. Now everyone shield hops and uses out of game coordination. I for one would say that Gypsy and his team mates were just smarter than everyone else and recognized a legitimate strategy that no one else including developers for saw. It makes me sad to see how narrow minded the forum players are and not recognize that this is a great opportunity to change up the dynamics of the game and improve their personal and alliance rankings. I for one will focus my energies on helping my team mates grow and adjust to the new dynamics. I'm sure that just like in the last nerf, alliances rankings will shuffle some alliances will merge and fold and we will slide up another tier in the season standings.