Sell & Redo Thor/Wolverine?

nihilium
nihilium Posts: 242
edited January 2014 in MPQ General Discussion
Im seriously considering this, since atm Id actually get something for them.

What are the new preferable builds now (especially for thor, since with logans new yellow...*sigh*)?

And do u think having a wrong build on these will have much of an impact or is it more of a "u wont use him anymore anyway" case?
.. in which case selling would look attractive as well o.o

Id really prefer to have some somewhat usefull characters instead of just 2 cute dolls that fill my roster ^^

Comments

  • I personally just sold my 2star wolv to power up patch, but respecs have been announced down the line so you may want to keep them.

    Thor definitely still has a place with his ap gaining abilities - unless you're really decked out in 3stars that could replace him, I don't see any point in touching him.
  • depends, if you have 3 good avengers, 3 good three stars and patch, sell wolvie.

    don't sell thor because he'll probably be a tournament selection again sometime
  • I never levelled thor, but I did end up selling my wolvie. Not because I didn't like the buikd, but rather the sell price was worth doing it since I had gotten my use out of him. Ended up pumping it into my xforce wolverine. Brought him from level 36 to 83 with that iso.
  • I don't know if I am willing to sell them yet since they are still of good use to me, but the problem is if I sell them, my main roster will shrink in size. I could probably manage without them, but it'll leave a gap until I can get some new heroes to fill the roles, and that won't be for a while.
  • noobpotato wrote:
    but respecs have been announced down the line so you may want to keep them.
    This has been announced?
  • pumkin wrote:
    noobpotato wrote:
    but respecs have been announced down the line so you may want to keep them.
    This has been announced?

    It has, but the devs said it will be a long time before it gets implemented since they are still working it out.
  • Wolverine is still one of top tier 2* if you got OBW due to their synergy.

    Thor probably isn't too good unless you've a powerful green character to work with (like GSBW). Maybe pairing him up with Classic Storm could work. Pairing him up with Wolverine does not work well, because this combination gets slaughtered on defense (the AI rarely prioritizes in holding red).
  • Clintman
    Clintman Posts: 757 Critical Contributor
    Thors green hits like a truck.
  • over_clocked
    over_clocked Posts: 3,961
    Could someone help me please? I wasn't using Thor as often as even m. Storm anyway, but my current build is unfortunately 5-3-2 and he's one of my highest leveled characters. Now it feels more like 4-4-5 is desired, or even 3-5-5.
    Should I sell and rebuild Thor from scratch or wait for a respeccing option? Considering I can place top 75 in Army of One, I can get some covers for Thor guaranteed.
  • Because Thor is definitely not the most powerful green character (or even most powerful 2* green) it should be okay as long as you've 5 in Thunder Strike. Thor's green is indeed quite good, but I have a hard time believing he'd be the best green character so it's okay to not have green maxed out as long as you pair him up with someone who have a better green. I think it is now feasible to try to combo Thunder Strike -> Lightning Storm -> repeat. GSBW would be a rather obvious choice to pair him up if you have her with 5g.
  • Phantron wrote:
    Because Thor is definitely not the most powerful green character (or even most powerful 2* green) it should be okay as long as you've 5 in Thunder Strike. Thor's green is indeed quite good, but I have a hard time believing he'd be the best green character so it's okay to not have green maxed out as long as you pair him up with someone who have a better green. I think it is now feasible to try to combo Thunder Strike -> Lightning Storm -> repeat. GSBW would be a rather obvious choice to pair him up if you have her with 5g.

    How is every1 praising thunder strike when it's damage was reduced nearly 70%. Seems better to go 5/3/5 and let GWBS supply the green. I guess you could go 3/5/5 and pair him with ragnarok so both can supply green but his yellow still seems 1/2 worthless.
  • over_clocked
    over_clocked Posts: 3,961
    Phantron wrote:
    Because Thor is definitely not the most powerful green character (or even most powerful 2* green) it should be okay as long as you've 5 in Thunder Strike. Thor's green is indeed quite good, but I have a hard time believing he'd be the best green character so it's okay to not have green maxed out as long as you pair him up with someone who have a better green. I think it is now feasible to try to combo Thunder Strike -> Lightning Storm -> repeat. GSBW would be a rather obvious choice to pair him up if you have her with 5g.
    Thanks, but I don't have any green covers for GSBW. I was thinking more of the immediate usability, since I don't have any usable 3*** characters anyway except Spider-Man. So, 5 in red is okay if I manage to get 5 in yellow as well? For my green-using characters Wolverine** and either Storm are my first choices atm.
    I could start Thor from scratch and not be handicapped, but if I can do without, it's even better.
  • locked wrote:
    Phantron wrote:
    Because Thor is definitely not the most powerful green character (or even most powerful 2* green) it should be okay as long as you've 5 in Thunder Strike. Thor's green is indeed quite good, but I have a hard time believing he'd be the best green character so it's okay to not have green maxed out as long as you pair him up with someone who have a better green. I think it is now feasible to try to combo Thunder Strike -> Lightning Storm -> repeat. GSBW would be a rather obvious choice to pair him up if you have her with 5g.
    Thanks, but I don't have any green covers for GSBW. I was thinking more of the immediate usability, since I don't have any usable 3*** characters anyway except Spider-Man. So, 5 in red is okay if I manage to get 5 in yellow as well? For my green-using characters Wolverine** and either Storm are my first choices atm.
    I could start Thor from scratch and not be handicapped, but if I can do without, it's even better.
    I think he meant instead of using Thor's yellow to supply green, use GSBW's purple to supply green. Sounds good to me. Too bad I'm 5/5/3...
  • over_clocked
    over_clocked Posts: 3,961
    I thought he meant specifically to use Thor's yellow to power GSBW's green, which won't work for me for who knows how long. Anyway I'm thinking of selling Thor, I hope he'll be easy to get in future pvp tournaments much like in the current one, and I can use the iso to level my Daken (yay totally forgot about him, hope his animations have become faster) and c. Storm (don't have much choice).

    My 46 lvl Thor with a 5-3-2 build will sell for 9365 iso and 300 HP. I hope it's not too much of a rip-off, good thing I absolutely don't have to sell my Wolverine** (3-3-2 build).
  • After the nerf, both Mjonir and Thunder Strike are fairly weak in damage. Ideally you'd probably want 3/5/5 but as long as you've someone to unload green to that has a better green than Thor, it doesn't matter you didn't build up Thor's green (because someone better than him can use it). The obvious candidate would be GSBW, as Sniper Rifle is most definitely better than Call of the Storm at level 5.

    With boosts nerfed you just can't count on easily having access to 19g. Before you can start with 6g 6p and 2 match for purple probably gets you within striking distance for Sniper Rifle. Now with +3 AP all most likely out of the picture, you need 3 purple matches and at least 1 more green match to hit the same 19 (and it was never certain Deceptive Tactics alone can push you to 19g). I've had plenty of games where I died or the enemy died before I was able to get 9 of a certain color. Since GSBW's green is an absolute game ender, you want to have as many sources of producing green as powerful, and Thunder Strike is great at producing green.

    When I get my Thor maxed out I'll try to experiment to see if it's viable to do Thunder Strike into Lightning Storm. It seems like at a certain threshold of green AP, this combo can loop to itself several times (depending on luck) while picking up a lot of other random AP in the process, and hopefully this eventually turns into a Wind Storm, which is also stronger than Call of the Storm.
  • locked wrote:
    I thought he meant specifically to use Thor's yellow to power GSBW's green, which won't work for me for who knows how long. Anyway I'm thinking of selling Thor, I hope he'll be easy to get in future pvp tournaments much like in the current one, and I can use the iso to level my Daken (yay totally forgot about him, hope his animations have become faster) and c. Storm (don't have much choice).

    My 46 lvl Thor with a 5-3-2 build will sell for 9365 iso and 300 HP. I hope it's not too much of a rip-off, good thing I absolutely don't have to sell my Wolverine** (3-3-2 build).

    GSBW needs more than one source for green. 19 green just isn't something you easily gather especially with +3 AP all nerfed. If you use GSBW you pretty much have to go all in on her green, because if you don't get Sniper Rifle off, she's simply an inferior character compared to just about any 3* and even most 2*.
  • over_clocked
    over_clocked Posts: 3,961
    Phantron wrote:
    GSBW needs more than one source for green. 19 green just isn't something you easily gather especially with +3 AP all nerfed. If you use GSBW you pretty much have to go all in on her green, because if you don't get Sniper Rifle off, she's simply an inferior character compared to just about any 3* and even most 2*.
    I hate one trick pony characters... And I don't mind drawing matches out to finish at full health and save me health packs. So, 5 in red for Thor is majorly useless as of now? I much prefer Mistress and Adamantium Slash (no usable 3***, mind you). Of course devs might change the specs yet again...
  • locked wrote:
    Phantron wrote:
    GSBW needs more than one source for green. 19 green just isn't something you easily gather especially with +3 AP all nerfed. If you use GSBW you pretty much have to go all in on her green, because if you don't get Sniper Rifle off, she's simply an inferior character compared to just about any 3* and even most 2*.
    I hate one trick pony characters... And I don't mind drawing matches out to finish at full health and save me health packs. So, 5 in red for Thor is majorly useless as of now? I much prefer Mistress and Adamantium Slash (no usable 3***, mind you). Of course devs might change the specs yet again...

    Red isn't useless but it's relatively weak. Yellow is likely still his best skill (massive cascade potential). Green certainly is preferable to red, but you can get around that by having a different character with even better green. GSBW is one character that obviously has a better green, but you can certainly make arguments for quite a few other characters.

    For example, you mentioned modern Storm, and it's entirely possible to setup a combo like Mistress -> Thorned Rose -> Thunder Strike -> Lightning Storm -> loop. If this combo works, the fact that you don't have Thor's green leveled up doesn't matter because you're using your green for Lightning Storm. Now, does this combo work? I can't speculate that without actually playing. Given Modern Storm can combo pretty well by herself there's reason to believe this should work. Likewise there's enough basis to believe classic Storm can do a similar combo with Lightning Storm and Thunder Strike that eventually gets turned into a Wind Storm, though this combo would be harder to pull off since there is no MIstress to combo into Thorned Rose, but Wind Storm is also an incredibly strong AE so it should be harder to combo into that.
  • Currently wondering the same

    I have my **Wolverine 4/5/4 at level 85. I almost have all the covers for Patch, so I'm wondering to sell **Wolvie for ***Wolvie, even though it's still basically a 35000 ISO loss, since you only get back half the ISO you put in.

    So either stick it out and keep him (and maybe never even using him again) or throw him into the grinder to power up his next rank.