Wolverine (Astonishing X-Men) and Thor Character Changes
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As stated in previous posts (as well as in-game) changes are coming for Wolverine (Astonishing X-Men) and Thor. Please review the post below for details on how the planned changes will impact each character:
Wolverine (Astonishing X-Men)
Wolverine's abilities are revised to bring them in line with 2-star balance. We've worked to maintain as much of his general gameplay as possible while we retuned his abilities - we really like his general design! The intention is to balance him to be a fun, potent character - but not so potent he renders everyone else obsolete.
Given that the scope of these refinements, we plan to temporarily increase the sell prices on Wolverine once these changes are rolled out. He's a terrific 2-star character, able to generate lots of damage, sustain himself when low on HP, and increase his team's output. But if you feel like he's not the right guy for your team, there are a number of powerful heroes eager to take his place (and his ISO)!
All #'s are based on effective 6.
GREEN ABILITY – Feral Claws
Old Feral Claws
Cost: 7 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Feral Claws
Cost: 6 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: Strike Strength 4
• Level 4: 56 damage
• Level 5: Strike Strength 5
Analysis:
. The core issue is where it created Strike tiles based on the amount of Red AP you had - it simply wasn't factored into the cost. That's no good; one of those Strike tiles alone was more valuable than the base ability. Given that it doesn't actually consume the Red AP, the problem just compounded itself as you spammed it. A few turns of this and your team was nothing short of terrifying - unintentionally so. We wanted to maintain the aspect of the ability where Red AP wasn't actually deducted. This is all about Wolverine's rage building, making him and his team more dangerous as the match wears on, and that captures the idea well. To preserve this but obtain balance, we increased the base cost and reduced the strength of the Strike tiles. The damage of the ability is increased - especially as it levels up. The ratio of Red AP to Red Strike tiles is also improved; you'll get more of them each time Wolverine goes feral.
• IceIX Feedback: The original idea for this ability was to be a small but damaging attack that pushes a couple Strike tiles down to improve damage for the next attack. What it turned out to be in practice was anything but. The damage was negligible and the Strike tile placement became the only thing this ability was known for. Couple that with a low AP cost at level 5 and this one ability put Wolverine into the A tier. Not for his ability to damage, but for his ability to enable everyone else to do so. This change puts the ability back more towards what it was originally envisioned to do.
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
RED ABILITY – Adamantium Slash
Old Adamantium Slash
Cost: 14 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Adamantium Slash
Cost: 12 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: 252 damage
• Level 4: 288 damage
• Level 5: 324 damage
Analysis:
• IceIX Feedback: Not much was changed with this ability other than normalizing the AP cost and the damage accordingly. Overall, it's a slight buff for damage per AP spent.
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
YELLOW ABILITY – Healing Factor (PASSIVE)
Old Healing Factor
Cost: Passive
Upgrades:
• Level 3: 8 or more tiles
• Level 4: Heals 5 if fewer than 8 tiles
• Level 5: Heals 21 every turn (no more tile count)
New Healing Factor
Cost: Passive
Upgrades:
• Level 2: Recovers 42 health
• Level 3: Recovers 49 health
• Level 4: Recovers 56 health
• Level 5: Recovers 63 health
Analysis:
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
Thor
Our intent with these changes is to bring Thor back into 2-star balance while maintaining as much of his core playstyle as possible - chiefly that his abilities have an inherent 'cycle'. Riding the cycle through to the final ability should really leave a mark. Thor is a thunderstorm that gathers its strength! You'll see this in full effect when you read the last ability change - it's stronger.
Given the nature of some of these changes, the same sell-back offer provided for Wolverine will also apply to Thor. We don't think you should sell him, he rocks, but if you disagree and feel he no longer fits with your style of play, the sell-back feature will be available.
RED ABILITY - Mjolnir's Might
Old Mjolnir's Might
• Dealt 125 damage to the current target and converted 5 basic tiles to Yellow.
Cost: 10 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Mjolnir's Might
Cost: 8 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: 79 damage
• Level 4: 97 damage
• Level 5: 114 damage
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
Analysis:
• IceIX Feedback: Thor's changes overall brought him more towards what we envisioned for the character: Board control with his moves leading up in a chain towards his powerful attacks. What actually happened is high powered single target damage with Mjolnir's Might leading up to Thunder Strike and Call the Storm only being used when convenient. Mjolnir's Might has been normalized at 8 AP, keeping it in the 3 match range while keeping the same rough amount of damage as before. Its ability to create Yellow tiles was reduced slightly as with the normalization of Thunder Strike's AP cost, too many Yellow tiles generated practically assured a same or next turn cast of Thunder Strike.
YELLOW ABILITY - Thunder Strike
Old Thunder Strike
Cost: 15 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Thunder Strike
Cost: 12 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: 6 Green tiles
• Level 4: 7 Green tiles
• Level 5: 9 Green tiles
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
Analysis:
• IceIX Feedback: This ability got quite a bit of a rework. Its previously massive damage for its AP cost has been brought very far down, but in return it gained a huge amount of board control and ability to set up cascades. While the actual damage of the ability was reduced, the sheer number of Green tiles produced and the cascades that result make damage only a bit lower than before. This with the added benefit of granting power to his larger ability, Call the Storm.
GREEN ABILITY - Call the Storm
Old Call the Storm
Cost: 17 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Call the Storm
Cost: 14 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 2: 150 damage to target, 76 to others
• Level 3: 175 damage to target, 88 to others
• Level 4: 200 damage to target, 101 to others
• Level 5: 225 damage to target, 113 to others
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
Analysis:
• IceIX Feedback: AP was normalized as with the rest of the abilities, but the damage itself has been increased overall. This makes this attack the crowning topper to Thor's arsenal. While it doesn't do as much damage as say, Storm (Classic)'s AoE, the tie in to his previous abilities means that it is much easier to gain the AP required to pull this off and dealing damage with those abilities in the process. In gameplay tests, this ability was often used at least once, if not twice a match to great benefit whereas before it was lucky to get one use due to so many other green abilities taking precedence (not least of which is Wolverine's Feral Claws).
We realize this is a lot of information to process. So please feel free to discuss these changes with the rest of the community in our General Discussion forum area:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2637
Thanks
Wolverine (Astonishing X-Men)
Wolverine's abilities are revised to bring them in line with 2-star balance. We've worked to maintain as much of his general gameplay as possible while we retuned his abilities - we really like his general design! The intention is to balance him to be a fun, potent character - but not so potent he renders everyone else obsolete.
Given that the scope of these refinements, we plan to temporarily increase the sell prices on Wolverine once these changes are rolled out. He's a terrific 2-star character, able to generate lots of damage, sustain himself when low on HP, and increase his team's output. But if you feel like he's not the right guy for your team, there are a number of powerful heroes eager to take his place (and his ISO)!
All #'s are based on effective 6.
GREEN ABILITY – Feral Claws
Old Feral Claws
-
•Dealt 31 damage, created 1 Red Strike tile, plus 1 additional tile for every 5 Red AP the team has.
Cost: 7 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Feral Claws
-
• Deals 33 damage and creates 1 Red Strike tile, plus 1 additional tile for every 3 Red AP the team has.
Cost: 6 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: Strike Strength 4
• Level 4: 56 damage
• Level 5: Strike Strength 5
Analysis:
-
•
. The core issue is where it created Strike tiles based on the amount of Red AP you had - it simply wasn't factored into the cost. That's no good; one of those Strike tiles alone was more valuable than the base ability. Given that it doesn't actually consume the Red AP, the problem just compounded itself as you spammed it. A few turns of this and your team was nothing short of terrifying - unintentionally so. We wanted to maintain the aspect of the ability where Red AP wasn't actually deducted. This is all about Wolverine's rage building, making him and his team more dangerous as the match wears on, and that captures the idea well. To preserve this but obtain balance, we increased the base cost and reduced the strength of the Strike tiles. The damage of the ability is increased - especially as it levels up. The ratio of Red AP to Red Strike tiles is also improved; you'll get more of them each time Wolverine goes feral.• IceIX Feedback: The original idea for this ability was to be a small but damaging attack that pushes a couple Strike tiles down to improve damage for the next attack. What it turned out to be in practice was anything but. The damage was negligible and the Strike tile placement became the only thing this ability was known for. Couple that with a low AP cost at level 5 and this one ability put Wolverine into the A tier. Not for his ability to damage, but for his ability to enable everyone else to do so. This change puts the ability back more towards what it was originally envisioned to do.
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
-
•
RED ABILITY – Adamantium Slash
Old Adamantium Slash
-
• Dealt 250 damage to the current target.
Cost: 14 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Adamantium Slash
-
• Deals 180 damage to the current target.
Cost: 12 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: 252 damage
• Level 4: 288 damage
• Level 5: 324 damage
Analysis:
-
•
• IceIX Feedback: Not much was changed with this ability other than normalizing the AP cost and the damage accordingly. Overall, it's a slight buff for damage per AP spent.
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
-
•
YELLOW ABILITY – Healing Factor (PASSIVE)
Old Healing Factor
-
• Every turn there were 10 or more Yellow tiles, healed Wolverine for 21 health.
Cost: Passive
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: 8 or more tiles
• Level 4: Heals 5 if fewer than 8 tiles
• Level 5: Heals 21 every turn (no more tile count)
New Healing Factor
-
• If Wolverine is below 50% health, and the team matches Yellow, he is healed for 35 health.
Cost: Passive
Upgrades:
• Level 2: Recovers 42 health
• Level 3: Recovers 49 health
• Level 4: Recovers 56 health
• Level 5: Recovers 63 health
Analysis:
-
•
-
o Healed too much. It ticked just about every turn, which was too often given the amount it was healing. (The numbers don't individually look that big, but the cumulative effect is unreasonably hefty.) Passives have a balance budget and this was spending it three times over.
o Not fun enough. Because it was based purely on tile count it either happened... or it didn't. We strongly prefer abilities that require decision making and this one didn't. Bonus points if you don't have to count anything.
-
• To address this we introduced a threshold - Wolverine needs to be below 50% health for the ability to tick. This allows us to increase the amount that gets healed without inadvertent overpower. There's some gameplay here now! Healing requires you to make tile moves. There is a wrinkle here too; Wolverine is fairly strong in Yellow, so getting him to heal might put him out front. Mind that team composition. This captures the initial idea of the ability much better: Wolverine using his healing factor to be the last man standing. When you back him in a corner you better be prepared to finish the job! We'll be watching this one closely (as we do with all abilities). It might need another kick up. We want it to be noticeable & fun.
-
•
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
-
•
Thor
Our intent with these changes is to bring Thor back into 2-star balance while maintaining as much of his core playstyle as possible - chiefly that his abilities have an inherent 'cycle'. Riding the cycle through to the final ability should really leave a mark. Thor is a thunderstorm that gathers its strength! You'll see this in full effect when you read the last ability change - it's stronger.
Given the nature of some of these changes, the same sell-back offer provided for Wolverine will also apply to Thor. We don't think you should sell him, he rocks, but if you disagree and feel he no longer fits with your style of play, the sell-back feature will be available.
RED ABILITY - Mjolnir's Might
Old Mjolnir's Might
• Dealt 125 damage to the current target and converted 5 basic tiles to Yellow.
Cost: 10 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Mjolnir's Might
-
• Deals 44 damage to the current target and converts 3 basic tiles to Yellow.
Cost: 8 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: 79 damage
• Level 4: 97 damage
• Level 5: 114 damage
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
-
•
Analysis:
-
•
• IceIX Feedback: Thor's changes overall brought him more towards what we envisioned for the character: Board control with his moves leading up in a chain towards his powerful attacks. What actually happened is high powered single target damage with Mjolnir's Might leading up to Thunder Strike and Call the Storm only being used when convenient. Mjolnir's Might has been normalized at 8 AP, keeping it in the 3 match range while keeping the same rough amount of damage as before. Its ability to create Yellow tiles was reduced slightly as with the normalization of Thunder Strike's AP cost, too many Yellow tiles generated practically assured a same or next turn cast of Thunder Strike.
YELLOW ABILITY - Thunder Strike
Old Thunder Strike
-
• Dealt 250 damage to the current target and converted 5 basic tiles to Green.
Cost: 15 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2: -
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Thunder Strike
-
• Deals 81 damage to the current target and converts 4 basic tiles to Green.
Cost: 12 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: 6 Green tiles
• Level 4: 7 Green tiles
• Level 5: 9 Green tiles
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
-
•
Analysis:
-
•
• IceIX Feedback: This ability got quite a bit of a rework. Its previously massive damage for its AP cost has been brought very far down, but in return it gained a huge amount of board control and ability to set up cascades. While the actual damage of the ability was reduced, the sheer number of Green tiles produced and the cascades that result make damage only a bit lower than before. This with the added benefit of granting power to his larger ability, Call the Storm.
GREEN ABILITY - Call the Storm
Old Call the Storm
-
• Dealt 125 damage to current target and 63 to the rest of the team
Cost: 17 AP
Upgrades:
-
• Level 2:
• Level 3: -1 AP Cost
• Level 4: -1 AP Cost
• Level 5: -1 AP Cost
New Call the Storm
-
• Deals 125 damage to current target and 63 to the rest of the team
Cost: 14 AP
Upgrades:
• Level 2: 150 damage to target, 76 to others
• Level 3: 175 damage to target, 88 to others
• Level 4: 200 damage to target, 101 to others
• Level 5: 225 damage to target, 113 to others
New Skill Max (Level 85, skill at 5)
-
• Call the Storm – 2003 damage to target, 1001 damage to other enemies
Analysis:
-
•
• IceIX Feedback: AP was normalized as with the rest of the abilities, but the damage itself has been increased overall. This makes this attack the crowning topper to Thor's arsenal. While it doesn't do as much damage as say, Storm (Classic)'s AoE, the tie in to his previous abilities means that it is much easier to gain the AP required to pull this off and dealing damage with those abilities in the process. In gameplay tests, this ability was often used at least once, if not twice a match to great benefit whereas before it was lucky to get one use due to so many other green abilities taking precedence (not least of which is Wolverine's Feral Claws).
We realize this is a lot of information to process. So please feel free to discuss these changes with the rest of the community in our General Discussion forum area:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2637
Thanks
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