40 pack purchase, question and advice.

rednailz

Arondite wrote:

DaveR4470 wrote:

If you drive a Bentley Continental and tip everyone you see a C-note "just because".... sure, go ahead and buy some 40-packs.

Otherwise, save your HP. The only situation -- and I mean really the only one -- where buying a 40-pack MIGHT be worthwhile is if you are fairly new to the game and want to quickly build up a fairly deep 2* roster. But even then, unless you're sitting on an abnormally large stash of ISO, it's not going to help you, because you wouldn't be able to level all those 2*s.

This should be your HP priority:

(1) Roster slots
(2) Covers
(3) shields
....
(999,999,999,996) Token multipacks

Yeah, I cam here to say this. For a 1-2 star transitioner, 10/42 packs aren't really a bad deal if you can also drop a little HP to open up the roster slots. Reason being is that if you hop that transition early, you'll be incredibly strong for your baby brackets in both PvE and PvP very early, letting you grab some easy and early 3 / 4 star covers, consequently letting you play essential nodes in the following events, etc.

For 1* to 2* transitioner you'd be better off buying slots when you win 3* covers or pull them. dropping heaps of HP for the CHANCE at a 3* is stupid. Seen plenty examples f all 2* 10 packs, and that waste of HP is going to hurt some one starting out more than some one who has the money / hp to burn and should know better.

Arondite

rednailz wrote:

Arondite wrote:

DaveR4470 wrote:

If you drive a Bentley Continental and tip everyone you see a C-note "just because".... sure, go ahead and buy some 40-packs.

Otherwise, save your HP. The only situation -- and I mean really the only one -- where buying a 40-pack MIGHT be worthwhile is if you are fairly new to the game and want to quickly build up a fairly deep 2* roster. But even then, unless you're sitting on an abnormally large stash of ISO, it's not going to help you, because you wouldn't be able to level all those 2*s.

This should be your HP priority:

(1) Roster slots
(2) Covers
(3) shields
....
(999,999,999,996) Token multipacks

Yeah, I cam here to say this. For a 1-2 star transitioner, 10/42 packs aren't really a bad deal if you can also drop a little HP to open up the roster slots. Reason being is that if you hop that transition early, you'll be incredibly strong for your baby brackets in both PvE and PvP very early, letting you grab some easy and early 3 / 4 star covers, consequently letting you play essential nodes in the following events, etc.

For 1* to 2* transitioner you'd be better off buying slots when you win 3* covers or pull them. dropping heaps of HP for the CHANCE at a 3* is stupid. Seen plenty examples f all 2* 10 packs, and that waste of HP is going to hurt some one starting out more than some one who has the money / hp to burn and should know better.

You're aware that a 1-2 star transitioner needs 2 stars, right

Every pull from a heroic anything will be useful to them lmfao. They're not buying for a chance at a 3*, they're buying because everything that drops out of a gold pack makes them stronger, period.

For you and I, 2 star heroes are nothing but Iso. For brand new players, they mark a noted improvement on their power level and also signify easy wins in their baby brackets of PvP and PvE.

rednailz

Arondite wrote:

rednailz wrote:

Arondite wrote:

DaveR4470 wrote:

If you drive a Bentley Continental and tip everyone you see a C-note "just because".... sure, go ahead and buy some 40-packs.

Otherwise, save your HP. The only situation -- and I mean really the only one -- where buying a 40-pack MIGHT be worthwhile is if you are fairly new to the game and want to quickly build up a fairly deep 2* roster. But even then, unless you're sitting on an abnormally large stash of ISO, it's not going to help you, because you wouldn't be able to level all those 2*s.

This should be your HP priority:

(1) Roster slots
(2) Covers
(3) shields
....
(999,999,999,996) Token multipacks

Yeah, I cam here to say this. For a 1-2 star transitioner, 10/42 packs aren't really a bad deal if you can also drop a little HP to open up the roster slots. Reason being is that if you hop that transition early, you'll be incredibly strong for your baby brackets in both PvE and PvP very early, letting you grab some easy and early 3 / 4 star covers, consequently letting you play essential nodes in the following events, etc.

For 1* to 2* transitioner you'd be better off buying slots when you win 3* covers or pull them. dropping heaps of HP for the CHANCE at a 3* is stupid. Seen plenty examples f all 2* 10 packs, and that waste of HP is going to hurt some one starting out more than some one who has the money / hp to burn and should know better.

You're aware that a 1-2 star transitioner needs 2 stars, right

Every pull from a heroic anything will be useful to them lmfao. They're not buying for a chance at a 3*, they're buying because everything that drops out of a gold pack makes them stronger, period.

For you and I, 2 star heroes are nothing but Iso. For brand new players, they mark a noted improvement on their power level and also signify easy wins in their baby brackets of PvP and PvE.

You are aware that you get a 2* cover after nearly every match for free, right? Nearly every pvp fight, the prologue, pulls from heroic and standard tokens, rewards from season, even low ranking in pvp and pve, DDQ, LR's. To suggest anyone spend a penny on a 2* is serioulsy the worst suggestion I've ever seen in here. I'd suggest save yoru money, have patience and actually play the game for a couple weeks. But everyone's free to spend their own money as they see fit.

Unknown

That's not even close to true now. PvP cover drops were reduced recently, and of those 2*s are pretty rare. Prologue is mostly IM35 and Storm 1*, plus like 3 Thors 3 Storms 3 Bagmans and 3 Dakens. Of the 2*s you actually want, that's 9 covers of 13x8 characters 104 covers you need. LRs generate standard tokens mostly which generate 1*s mostly, and cover pulls from fights are lumped into PvP in general. DDQ tokens yes are 100% useful, but I can see the logic behind a player who just beat the Prologue buying a single 42 pack.

If you think you can max out 8+ 2 star characters, just in covers alone, in 2 weeks you have clearly not been a 1-2* transitioner for quite some time. Well before Daken, Ms. Marvel, and Jonny Storm became relevant I'd say.

konannfriends

there is no reasson anyone should ever spend money on a cover pack. it is the biggest let down ever.

you should have just bought the hero points while they were on sale. fought hard for 3 covers of xavier and bought the desired builds

konannfriends

Lerysh wrote:

That's not even close to true now. PvP cover drops were reduced recently, and of those 2*s are pretty rare. Prologue is mostly IM35 and Storm 1*, plus like 3 Thors 3 Storms 3 Bagmans and 3 Dakens. Of the 2*s you actually want, that's 9 covers of 13x8 characters 104 covers you need. LRs generate standard tokens mostly which generate 1*s mostly, and cover pulls from fights are lumped into PvP in general. DDQ tokens yes are 100% useful, but I can see the logic behind a player who just beat the Prologue buying a single 42 pack.

If you think you can max out 8+ 2 star characters, just in covers alone, in 2 weeks you have clearly not been a 1-2* transitioner for quite some time. Well before Daken, Ms. Marvel, and Jonny Storm became relevant I'd say.

2* .....Rare...... i could probably have 50 fully covered moonstones or more

rednailz

Lerysh wrote:

That's not even close to true now. PvP cover drops were reduced recently, and of those 2*s are pretty rare. Prologue is mostly IM35 and Storm 1*, plus like 3 Thors 3 Storms 3 Bagmans and 3 Dakens. Of the 2*s you actually want, that's 9 covers of 13x8 characters 104 covers you need. LRs generate standard tokens mostly which generate 1*s mostly, and cover pulls from fights are lumped into PvP in general. DDQ tokens yes are 100% useful, but I can see the logic behind a player who just beat the Prologue buying a single 42 pack.

If you think you can max out 8+ 2 star characters, just in covers alone, in 2 weeks you have clearly not been a 1-2* transitioner for quite some time. Well before Daken, Ms. Marvel, and Jonny Storm became relevant I'd say.

I maxed out an MMAGS in about a week recently (minus 2 missign covers that took another week or so). you're right, I haven't been for a while, back when I was trying to max my 2* roster we didn't get tokens after nearly every pvp fight, or have DDQ or have as many PvE events with multiple subs. So I hate to say I walked 20 kms in the snow both ways uphill to develop my 2* roster, but i did.

What you pull on covers is pretty subjective. I could build 2 2* storms a week from what I pull. Probably an ares and an OBW in 2 weeks for sure. Granted I'm getting more tokens than a 1* transitioner would, but sorry, I don't buy it and I don't empathize. The point of the game used to be to play it. Seems like yous kids these days just want the rewards. I had a GREAT time playing the game, even as a 1 - 2* transitioner especially, it's what got me hooked. I get the 2 - 3* transition being more difficult now, and agree, but looks like yet again D3 has tried to take steps to help boosting some 1* and 2* covers in PvP. But at some point you're going to have to excpect to work for your rewards. I"m sick of this "you vets are out of touch" b.s.

As my old alliance leader used to use as a mantra - it's a marathon, not a race. If you'd rather skip through the game instead of earning or playing it then buy your stuff. I still strongly stand by my personal opinion that packs are a waste of money, especially for 1* - 2* transitioners. IMO there's really no such phase. You get a free Thor and Storm in the prologue. Unless that has changed? Have a Juggs...takes a couple days to build one of those. By teh time you finish the prologue you'd be nearly half way through this terrible argous 1 - 2* transition phase players have to endure.

also IMO it's a waste of iso to max out 8 2*s. Unless you want to collect them all and waste iso on a johnny storm in case he's featrued on a PvE event you need probably 5 2*. OBW, Storm, Ares, Astonishing (possibly) previously Mmags, and Daken. you know you're using the same 2* every PvP.

Arondite

rednailz wrote:

Arondite wrote:

rednailz wrote:

Arondite wrote:

Yeah, I cam here to say this. For a 1-2 star transitioner, 10/42 packs aren't really a bad deal if you can also drop a little HP to open up the roster slots. Reason being is that if you hop that transition early, you'll be incredibly strong for your baby brackets in both PvE and PvP very early, letting you grab some easy and early 3 / 4 star covers, consequently letting you play essential nodes in the following events, etc.

For 1* to 2* transitioner you'd be better off buying slots when you win 3* covers or pull them. dropping heaps of HP for the CHANCE at a 3* is stupid. Seen plenty examples f all 2* 10 packs, and that waste of HP is going to hurt some one starting out more than some one who has the money / hp to burn and should know better.

You're aware that a 1-2 star transitioner needs 2 stars, right

Every pull from a heroic anything will be useful to them lmfao. They're not buying for a chance at a 3*, they're buying because everything that drops out of a gold pack makes them stronger, period.

For you and I, 2 star heroes are nothing but Iso. For brand new players, they mark a noted improvement on their power level and also signify easy wins in their baby brackets of PvP and PvE.

You are aware that you get a 2* cover after nearly every match for free, right? Nearly every pvp fight, the prologue, pulls from heroic and standard tokens, rewards from season, even low ranking in pvp and pve, DDQ, LR's. To suggest anyone spend a penny on a 2* is serioulsy the worst suggestion I've ever seen in here. I'd suggest save yoru money, have patience and actually play the game for a couple weeks. But everyone's free to spend their own money as they see fit.

If you're getting 2* covers after "nearly every match", you're an exceptionally lucky individual. For the rest of us, it's more like 1 in 30-50 matches or so, depending on how the RNG feels that day.

Further, purchasing 2 Stars early isn't about getting them, period, it's about getting them quickly while your MMR still thinks you're a 1 star player. This is how my friend got 4 Goddess covers when he first started playing, at my behest. He won his very first PvE bracket.

In his first 2 weeks of play, he had a 4 Cover Goddess(which he later bought out using HP, then used that to win most of his X Force.). So having empirical evidence of the advantages provided by skipping the 1 to 2 star transition, it's hard to say it's a bad investment.

Yes, 2 stars themselves are a bad investment, but if those 2 stars can turbo track you into something better by purchasing them at the right time, then they're an outstanding investment.

rednailz

Arondite wrote:

If you're getting 2* covers after "nearly every match", you're an exceptionally lucky individual. For the rest of us, it's more like 1 in 30-50 matches or so, depending on how the RNG feels that day.

Further, purchasing 2 Stars early isn't about getting them, period, it's about getting them quickly while your MMR still thinks you're a 1 star player. This is how my friend got 4 Goddess covers when he first started playing, at my behest. He won his very first PvE bracket.

In his first 2 weeks of play, he had a 4 Cover Goddess(which he later bought out using HP, then used that to win most of his X Force.). So having empirical evidence of the advantages provided by skipping the 1 to 2 star transition, it's hard to say it's a bad investment.

Yes, 2 stars themselves are a bad investment, but if those 2 stars can turbo track you into something better by purchasing them at the right time, then they're an outstanding investment.

I don't buy your odds on the pulls at all. I exaggerated for the point of effect, but 1 in 30 is B.S.

There was no mention on the MMR, so I wasn't speaking to that point. You can't really pull that rabbit out of nowhere as some counterpoint that is all of a sudden part of the discussion.

sounds like a neat trick. Heck why not do that they you can get your 4*'s within the first month and don't have to bother playing through a year of the game wasting time having fun, collecting covers, going through the point of the game. Reminds me of guys that would buy some one's MMO account off of them. Just win 1 cover of each color and buy the rest and hang up MPQ.

To each their own, I'm in no way judging but to me the point of the game is to play it. If I had a maxed xforce and maxed GT a month after I started playing, I wouldn't see a point on even playing it anymore.

Unknown

Considering I've seen 2* rosters with 270 Charles Xaviers on them.. yea it's a thing that happens.

Alkyoneus

As someone who actually dropped real life money on a Heroic 40-pack, I can attest that they are the worst idea ever. As long as people convince themselves that they will "get lucky" this time when others have shown the odds that the house always wins, the developers have no incentive to change the odds on them. I pulled 7 gold covers, all of which were valuable (GSBW green, Mag blue, Storm green and yellow, Pun green and red, daredevil red), but for 11,500HP, I lost out by 2,850HP overall. I was really hoping for a 4* XF or 4Thor to boost my 4* ranks, but alas, I lost out big time. That would have been 2 more covers I could have straight up bought for Iron Fist, Patch, Cage, Doom, Loki, or virtually any other top tier 3* and been more useful. I was hoping that I would hit the lottery and get 9-10 covers and a 4*, which would have been more cost effective despite not being able to select which covers I got.

Statistically, you have around a 20% chance to get a gold token every time you hit the button, which averages out to right around 7 covers per 40-pack, maybe even 6 if you're unlucky. It really is 100% beneficial to the company for you to buy it, and 0% beneficial to you. Take my advice, and put your money directly into covers for your existing characters to make them useful. You can even pick which ones you want to level, which is a heck of a lot more fun than the other way!

Arondite

rednailz wrote:

Arondite wrote:

If you're getting 2* covers after "nearly every match", you're an exceptionally lucky individual. For the rest of us, it's more like 1 in 30-50 matches or so, depending on how the RNG feels that day.

Further, purchasing 2 Stars early isn't about getting them, period, it's about getting them quickly while your MMR still thinks you're a 1 star player. This is how my friend got 4 Goddess covers when he first started playing, at my behest. He won his very first PvE bracket.

In his first 2 weeks of play, he had a 4 Cover Goddess(which he later bought out using HP, then used that to win most of his X Force.). So having empirical evidence of the advantages provided by skipping the 1 to 2 star transition, it's hard to say it's a bad investment.

Yes, 2 stars themselves are a bad investment, but if those 2 stars can turbo track you into something better by purchasing them at the right time, then they're an outstanding investment.

I don't buy your odds on the pulls at all. I exaggerated for the point of effect, but 1 in 30 is B.S.

There was no mention on the MMR, so I wasn't speaking to that point. You can't really pull that rabbit out of nowhere as some counterpoint that is all of a sudden part of the discussion.

sounds like a neat trick. Heck why not do that they you can get your 4*'s within the first month and don't have to bother playing through a year of the game wasting time having fun, collecting covers, going through the point of the game. Reminds me of guys that would buy some one's MMO account off of them. Just win 1 cover of each color and buy the rest and hang up MPQ.

To each their own, I'm in no way judging but to me the point of the game is to play it. If I had a maxed xforce and maxed GT a month after I started playing, I wouldn't see a point on even playing it anymore.

and also signify easy wins in their baby brackets of PvP and PvE.

No hat here, the rabbit was plainly walking out in the open the whole time, unless you thought I said "baby bracket" for my health. Then again, I learned that term from these boards, so.