[Poll] Will you be selling Iron Fist?

simonsez
simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
edited March 2015 in MPQ General Discussion
Curious to see how many people will be taking advantage of the buy-back.
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  • dkffiv
    dkffiv Posts: 1,039 Chairperson of the Boards
    He's still one of the best 3* so I can't imagine selling him. If the full price buyback option was available for the post "fix" Rag that might be a different story.
  • GuntherBlobel
    GuntherBlobel Posts: 987 Critical Contributor
    No surprise here! I'm more interested if the few people who bought covers for Thor in the last 30 days will sell their covers.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    I was looking for the option, "No, are you crazy?"
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    daibar wrote:
    I was looking for the option, "No, are you crazy?"
    Yeah, that was kind of the point... that the buy-back isn't doing any favors for anyone who bought covers.
  • rixmith
    rixmith Posts: 707 Critical Contributor
    Even after the change he'll probably be the highest rated 3* character. Why would anyone sell him?
  • Trisul
    Trisul Posts: 887 Critical Contributor
    simonsez wrote:
    Yeah, that was kind of the point... that the buy-back isn't doing any favors for anyone who bought covers.
    This policy is long-term, so while it really won't apply to IF (him being so good), it will definitely apply to any potential broken heroes in the future.

    If the poll question was "Is the new buyback policy better for the game in the future?", I'd say YES.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    Trisul wrote:
    simonsez wrote:
    Yeah, that was kind of the point... that the buy-back isn't doing any favors for anyone who bought covers.
    This policy is long-term, so while it really won't apply to IF (him being so good), it will definitely apply to any potential broken heroes in the future.

    If the poll question was "Is the new buyback policy better for the game in the future?", I'd say YES.
    Not sure I follow. If the character isn't any good, people aren't going to buy any covers anyway, so there'd be no one to take advantage of a full buy-back.

    And I'm also not sure I like the idea of anticipating there's going to be a lot of within-30 day nerfs going forward. If D3 thinks that's now acceptable because they now have this policy in effect, this is a very wrong take-away from all this.
  • Trisul
    Trisul Posts: 887 Critical Contributor
    simonsez wrote:
    And I'm also not sure I like the idea of anticipating there's going to be a lot of within-30 day nerfs going forward. If D3 thinks that's now acceptable because they now have this policy in effect, this is a very wrong take-away from all this.
    You have the wrong take-away from all this.

    The only way to make money off of balancing is to release an overpowered character, then nerf him to the ground, and refuse refunds for HP. This policy explicitly accounts for those refunds.
    They don't need to re-balance balanced characters.
    They have no financial incentive to buff underpowered characters because no one will buy the covers anyway.

    I think it's pretty clear that the devs don't release overpowered/underpowered characters on purpose, they've been pretty split among good and bad releases. This policy won't affect how they design, but will prevent pissed off customers if they do screw up (which they have done sometimes, and will continue to do sometimes).
  • Ebolamonkey84
    Ebolamonkey84 Posts: 509 Critical Contributor
    Trisul wrote:
    simonsez wrote:
    And I'm also not sure I like the idea of anticipating there's going to be a lot of within-30 day nerfs going forward. If D3 thinks that's now acceptable because they now have this policy in effect, this is a very wrong take-away from all this.
    You have the wrong take-away from all this.

    The only way to make money off of balancing is to release an overpowered character, then nerf him to the ground, and refuse refunds for HP. This policy explicitly accounts for those refunds.
    They don't need to re-balance balanced characters.
    They have no financial incentive to buff underpowered characters because no one will buy the covers anyway.

    I think it's pretty clear that the devs don't release overpowered/underpowered characters on purpose, they've been pretty split among good and bad releases. This policy won't affect how they design, but will prevent pissed off customers if they do screw up (which they have done sometimes, and will continue to do sometimes).

    This policy does not really help in cases where they nerf a character from overpowered OMG tier to merely top tier, as you yourself have admitted for the Iron Fist nerf. In this case, you have people who bought covers, wouldn't have bought them if released how he is post-nerf, but would still like to have the character and gain his covers naturally.

    This policy only really works if they get nerfed to trash tier, at which point you have to question their ability to design reasonable characters.
  • Trisul
    Trisul Posts: 887 Critical Contributor
    Ebolamonkey84 wrote:
    This policy does not really help in cases where they nerf a character from overpowered OMG tier to merely top tier, as you yourself have admitted for the Iron Fist nerf. In this case, you have people who bought covers, wouldn't have bought them if released how he is post-nerf, but would still like to have the character and gain his covers naturally.

    This policy only really works if they get nerfed to trash tier, at which point you have to question their ability to design reasonable characters.
    There are LOTS AND LOTS of things that make me question their ability to design reasonable characters.

    But this policy is not one of them. AT ABSOLUTE WORST, this policy change really changes nothing, so I don't see what this has to do with designing characters except being more convenient for customers.
  • GuntherBlobel
    GuntherBlobel Posts: 987 Critical Contributor
    simonsez wrote:
    Yeah, that was kind of the point... that the buy-back isn't doing any favors for anyone who bought covers.
    You might want to design a different poll, then.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    GuntherBlobel wrote:
    simonsez wrote:
    Yeah, that was kind of the point... that the buy-back isn't doing any favors for anyone who bought covers.
    You might want to design a different poll, then.
    No, this one is perfectly fine. If no one says "I bought covers and will be selling", that's exactly what I wanted to know.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    Trisul wrote:
    this policy change really changes nothing
    I agree. And yet trolls and D3 apologists are telling us now we should shut up and be grateful for this buy-back.
  • GuntherBlobel
    GuntherBlobel Posts: 987 Critical Contributor
    simonsez wrote:
    GuntherBlobel wrote:
    simonsez wrote:
    Yeah, that was kind of the point... that the buy-back isn't doing any favors for anyone who bought covers.
    You might want to design a different poll, then.
    No, this one is perfectly fine. If no one says "I bought covers and will be selling", that's exactly what I wanted to know.
    Does that tell you that the compensation is too little, or that the ability is still worth purchasing? I don't see your point.

    The fact that no one will sell the covers that they won says that those covers are at least worth the compensation offered.
  • simonsez
    simonsez Posts: 4,663 Chairperson of the Boards
    GuntherBlobel wrote:
    Does that tell you that the compensation is too little, or that the ability is still worth purchasing? I don't see your point.
    It tells me that people are not willing to have to sell their event covers for dirt cheap HP, just to get a full refund on the extra covers they bought to fill him out. It's not complicated, really.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    edited March 2015
    I know D3 thinks we love selling characters to make room for new ones, and consider that part of the fun...i like collecting, I like leveling people up and finding fun combinations to use with other characters (no not just xforce) if you sell someone off you are denying yourself all of that even if they are not "as good" as before.

    Would be funny if they had a global button they could "blow up" every instance of a character in everyone's roster when they make changes reducing them to a pile of 13 covers and however much iso was in them. Then individual covers could be disputed with CS for refunds and everyone else who wants to keep em could just put them back together. Or dump the iso into someone else. If there were a log attached to each character the earned covers could stay and the purchased covers could automatically be reduced back to HP.

    What a button that would be:
    We changed someone, they have been reduced to component parts. Put them back together exactly as they were if you want to, if you purchased covers with HP, then that has been refunded and the lot of you can do whatever you want with the pieces just don't go crying to us if you accidentally hit sell all.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    The poll results are trivial because it's on Iron Fist => just shows IF is strong if not overpowered which we almost universally agree to already. If some other questionable half-decent character were nerfed instead, say Cage or Cyclops, there'd probably be a fair number of people taking either option.
    Trisul wrote:
    There are LOTS AND LOTS of things that make me question their ability to design reasonable characters.

    But this policy is not one of them. AT ABSOLUTE WORST, this policy change really changes nothing, so I don't see what this has to do with designing characters except being more convenient for customers.

    I was thinking that for awhile too. Then I realized that this means that D3 is no longer committing to having their characters right on release. This means that they've committed to the 2 week schedule for characters regardless if some of them are obviously broken, regardless if they haven't play tested the final version enough. No matter what happens, they've got to have that character out every 2 weeks on the dot!

    It's a minor blow to those who were asking for slower, better tested character releases, and a bigger blow to choose to grind for every new character. Now if a character possibly looks OP we'll be thinking in the backs of our mind, "Will D3 nerf them? Is this really worth the effort if he's nerfed?" While this is good for economic choice, it's a little of a let down from the design side.

    I wouldn't be surprised if in 3 months they tweak Professor X's Invisibility to be 10 AP.
  • GuntherBlobel
    GuntherBlobel Posts: 987 Critical Contributor
    simonsez wrote:
    GuntherBlobel wrote:
    Does that tell you that the compensation is too little, or that the ability is still worth purchasing? I don't see your point.
    It tells me that people are not willing to have to sell their event covers for dirt cheap HP, just to get a full refund on the extra covers they bought to fill him out. It's not complicated, really.
    But you can't conclude that, because you don't know how many people would sell their covers under other circumstances. It keeps getting mentioned in this thread that IF is a highly coveted 3*, before and after the change.

    As for Demiurge not doing us a favor... was that what you were hoping for? Because I'd settle for fair.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    GuntherBlobel wrote:
    No surprise here! I'm more interested if the few people who bought covers for Thor in the last 30 days will sell their covers.

    I thought the policy is 30 days after a character is released and we're obviously way past that point.

    For what it's worth I'm going to sell him to get 3750 HP back not because he sucks but I'm trying to get some HP for Professor X, unless I decided to buy a Stark Salary in the next 3 days.
  • Phaserhawk
    Phaserhawk Posts: 2,676 Chairperson of the Boards
    No way, I had him at 2/4/3 for awhile before I bought some covers, and I can tell you that his purple was stellar when only creating 7 random, it just got to ridicuolous at 9. But it's pretty easy to go, purple, purple, ignore black for abit, then use IFoKL to just gain massive amounts of black, yeah, no way I'm selling this guy.

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