Who do I level?

ronin_san

I've got close to 500 days played and have underleveled toons. With IW's rework about a month out, I'm considering dumping ISO into her given her upcoming reboot. If XFW's any indication, when a 4* gets a true rework, they become devastating.

The "will take" or X to hit X" suggests the amount of ISO to hit max level, or max level for the covers.



Here's my roster:

2/5/4 XFW at 215. He can hit 229 and I need 44647 to reach that.

The following characters are maxed out:
5/3/5 GSBW. 3/5/5 3Cap. 45/4 IM40. 5/3/5 Hulk. 5/4/4 Punisher. 4/4/5 LThor. 3/5/5 Patch.

Fully covered and underleveled:
Daredevil. 5/3/5 at 156. 25293 to hit 166
The Hood. 5/3/5 at 137. 67845 to hit 166

Undercovered but maxed
Daken. 4/3/3 at 127.
Doom 5/5/2 at 153.
Black Panther 4/5/3 at 153.
Blade. 2/3/3 at 102.

Missing covers and not maxed out:
Invisible Woman at 118. 5/5/2. Who knows how much ISO i need. It shows a soft "78401" to reach 167.
Devil Dino at 117. 1/1/5. <-- LOL Dino; all dance and no bite.
Colossus. 5/2/2 at 104. Can hit 114. Will take 14902.
Psylocke. 4/3/3 at 102. Can hit 140. Will take 40014.
Mystique. 1/4/4 at 100. Can hit 117. It will take 25157
Fury. 1/2/2 at 98. Can hit 111. It will take 10894.
Human Torch 5/2/4 at 91; can hit 140. it will take 79375.
Rocket and Groot. 2/3/3 at 86. Can hit 102. Will take 19025.
CMags. 5/2/1 at 80. Can hit 104. Will take 27596.
Loki. 2/5/2 at 74. Can hit 114. Will take 47610.
4hor. 2/0/1 at 74. Can hit 90. Will take 6345. <-- EDITED.


I have others I'd like to level if I had more covers, like a 3/1/3 Deadpool, 2/2/0 Cage, or a 0/1/2 Cyclops. Until then, I'm not even *TRYING* to level them.

So who gets the ISO? I suppose I'm in a comfortable position where I have arguably the best 2* (wolv, ares, obw) and a great rotation of fully covered 3* - and there's that XFW that, despite that his Green only does ~1100, his surgical is covered and he heals well.

Mawtful

Given XForce's current level cap, there's probably not much benefit you'd get out of leveling him - 4*'s get a lot of mileage from ability covers. My XF was at 3/3/5 (mostly from daily reward and random tokens) when I started to actively level him up and chase covers. Ranks 4 and 5 in Recovery were really quite handy for sustain, since I wasn't dealing as much damage - I managed to hit 3/5/5 first, and just recently finished the respec to 5/5/3. Anyway, my point is that you can still get some good use out of your XF in his current state, although he takes on more of a support role, using Surgical to fuel someone else's abilities.

If you are going to use XF in that way, you'll want someone who can spend green better. Hulk and LThor pair well enough (you've got LThor listed as 166, but also as missing covers. Does this mean you're building 2? Probably not necessary.

It mostly seems like you've already got a good enough base group of maxed 3*'s, maybe some minor respec required. Daredevil is fun, and rainbows with XF, but I don't think you'll get many people pushing you towards him. Similarly, there still seems to be enough of a split on whether it's worth maxing The Hood - which is probably a moot point until you get some more covers on blue.

That leaves your uncovered/unleveled list. I think Loki is probably the main character which stands out for me. Again, there are arguments for leaving him underleveled so that he doesn't tank any colours.

I think the best advice I could give right now would be to simply hold onto your ISO and not spend it. We still don't have a date for IW rework, and there's really no guarantee that she'll be the next XForce. It would definitely be a bad idea to put your ISO into her and then end up having to wait even longer than expected and still end up with a dud character.

Vhailorx

It looks like you are doing well OP.

I am not sure that you will get a lot out of leveling any of those characters.

Xforce is the obvious choice, but I have no idea what the marginal value of xforce as a scarecrow is when bringing him from 215 to 229. I would guess that it's minimal.

I definitely wouldn't level hood as he is much better when he doesn't tank or absorb damage. Same for loki.

It's possible that bringing R&G up to 100+ might help with your sustainability, but since you already have patch maxed that wouldn't be a major concern.

I think you would be better served to save the iso until you have a clear frontrunner 3* or 4* for iso (maybe Cage, or even iron first when you get some covers for him next week?)

ronin_san

Mawtful wrote:

Given XForce's current level cap, there's probably not much benefit you'd get out of leveling him - 4*'s get a lot of mileage from ability covers. My XF was at 3/3/5 (mostly from daily reward and random tokens) when I started to actively level him up and chase covers. Ranks 4 and 5 in Recovery were really quite handy for sustain, since I wasn't dealing as much damage - I managed to hit 3/5/5 first, and just recently finished the respec to 5/5/3. Anyway, my point is that you can still get some good use out of your XF in his current state, although he takes on more of a support role, using Surgical to fuel someone else's abilities.

I get a lot of use out of him, still. he jives with Doom.

Mawtful wrote:

If you are going to use XF in that way, you'll want someone who can spend green better. Hulk and LThor pair well enough (you've got LThor listed as 166, but also as missing covers. Does this mean you're building 2? Probably not necessary.

Hulk's 5/3/5. Thor's 4/4/5. They're both 166. I only use XFW's green when no one can spend it better. I agree.

Mawtful wrote:

It mostly seems like you've already got a good enough base group of maxed 3*'s, maybe some minor respec required. Daredevil is fun, and rainbows with XF, but I don't think you'll get many people pushing you towards him. Similarly, there still seems to be enough of a split on whether it's worth maxing The Hood - which is probably a moot point until you get some more covers on blue.

I like mixing Daredevil with Patch, and don't have a problem with having 5 in his purple. It's good insurance against Daken, Falcon, CMags, Blade, Gamora, or even enemy Patch. I agree that maxing Hood is moot unless I get more blues, but with his tourney going, I tend to dump ISO into the featured character to scarecrow as much as possible. I'd bet people don't check enemy rosters unless they're really trying to min-max their chances of using heals after fight x vs y.

Mawtful wrote:

That leaves your uncovered/unleveled list. I think Loki is probably the main character which stands out for me. Again, there are arguments for leaving him underleveled so that he doesn't tank any colours.

Oh, I'd run Loki A LOT if I had more covers in his Green. The problem is, I am sorely lacking in that area.

Mawtful wrote:

I think the best advice I could give right now would be to simply hold onto your ISO and not spend it. We still don't have a date for IW rework, and there's really no guarantee that she'll be the next XForce. It would definitely be a bad idea to put your ISO into her and then end up having to wait even longer than expected and still end up with a dud character.

This is sensible. Save up ISO until I can guarantee the investment in IW.

Unknown

The Hood's event is coming up, so may as well level him? He's too high already to benefit from being under leveled, so you are just leaving hit points on the table of a character that sees a lot of use. Plus currently boosted in Prodigal Sun. Seems like a good choice.

babinro

Daredevil is the most useful character to level long term at this time as he combo well with patch. I'd personally prioritize him.

Other characters to work on:
- Hood is too high a level to keep non-maxed. As Lerysh said he'd be a good choice in the short term even though you don't have his blue.
- X-Force - you'll see almost no difference at all in leveling this guy but the fact is he deters attackers at higher levels. You'll want to max him eventually but I'd consider it low priority.

TIP: You should NOT level Loki at all. None of his skills scale with level...he only gains health. More importantly, when he's featured and boosted you'll still have 166's tanking his colours. I believe level 77 is the absolute latest level you can push him without tanking. You could run him with patch/daken and he'll tank nothing. Alternatively you can run him with doom/patch and he'll tank nothing but this time you have a black ap generator for the combo. I get that he'll be weak on defense but the amount of saved health packs is well worth it in my opinion.

Unknown

- focus on XF, 3* Daken, Hood for PVP (until u have 4* Thor)
- never put iso on undercovered 3* (<11 cover)
- imo only few 3* worth max level: cyclops, hood, daken, DP, cmags, blade, LT, Doom, Loki, rags, patch+BP
- since u have quite decent XF i recommend you focus on XF partners :
> rags (with 5 red) : thunderclap for X.Force
> doom (5 blue) : techno.strike for surgical strike
> hood (5 blue)/daken

ronin_san

tobi69 wrote:

- focus on XF, 3* Daken, Hood for PVP (until u have 4* Thor)
- never put iso on undercovered 3* (<11 cover)
- imo only few 3* worth max level: cyclops, hood, daken, DP, cmags, blade, LT, Doom, Loki, rags, patch+BP
- since u have quite decent XF i recommend you focus on XF partners :
> rags (with 5 red) : thunderclap for X.Force
> doom (5 blue) : techno.strike for surgical strike
> hood (5 blue)/daken

I have leveled Daken to 140 since I received another cover for him. I am otherwise hoarding ISO. Since posting, I've accrued about 50K and am back to 30K.

I'm considering leveling Daredevil to 166, but he's 155. Because I'd prefer someone else to tank for him, I don't think I'll max him out.

For Daken, would you go 5/3/5, 3/5/5, or 5/5/3? I'm leaning towards 5/3/5.

Also, of the characters I have, Cyclops, Mystique, Doom, Cage, and IF are the ones I'd most like to cover and max out.

Vhailorx

I believe that 5/5/3 is the consensus best build for 3* daken. It does limit his offensive potential a bit (though 2k for 5 ap isn't bad in a pre-iron fist world). But the 2 strike generation is very important (max damage, primes blue faster, covers up red to prevent enemy special tiles), so 5 purple is essential. And 5 black is more or less necessary to keep his health up, which maximizes his sustainability (and given the value of true healing in this game, that's his best attribute IMO).

ronin_san

Vhailorx wrote:

I believe that 5/5/3 is the consensus best build for 3* daken. It does limit his offensive potential a bit (though 2k for 5 ap isn't bad in a pre-iron fist world). But the 2 strike generation is very important (max damage, primes blue faster, covers up red to prevent enemy special tiles), so 5 purple is essential. And 5 black is more or less necessary to keep his health up, which maximizes his sustainability (and given the value of true healing in this game, that's his best attribute IMO).

I got a purple last week and a black today. So he's now 5/4/3 and 153. I spent a lot of ISO on him (from 127 to 153), but am glad I saved over the last week. I still have ~15k saved.

lukewin

The only other option I'd dump ISO into, if I was you, is Rocket & Groot. They're on the same health tier as LThor, SheHulk. Those blue strike tiles are awesome, and he can regen health.

ronin_san

I understand why you're pro R&G, but unless I can really get them covered, I'm content to hoard ISO. I'll probably dump 5 more levels into XFW, then get IW leveled as much as possible.