Beating X-Thorce

Pylgrim

I see a lot of people complaining about the end game in PVPs being a wall of 270 X-Force + 270 Thor, so let's try to do something more constructive. People who can and have beaten those teams with a team of 3*s please share your strategies and preferred characters here.

I have not attempted it much, but Patch + Hulk + Daken/Blade has worked from time to time.

Unknown

Pylgrim wrote:

People who can and have beaten those teams with a team of 3*s please share your strategies and preferred characters here.

Great idea for the constructive post.

I've been using x-force - GSBW. If I can choose a 3rd it'd be spidey. I'll pick up all the green and black, and as long as I prevent the other x-force from getting those off I feel ok, I'm not worried about thors powers cause they normally don't get enough AP before I use surgical strike. I'll also be gathering purple (creating protect tiles) and using deceptive tactics and finishing with (a few) sniper rifle shots.

I hope this helps.

Seasick Pirate

I actually have this discussion going on in the Tips & Guides section
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21605

simonsez

Pylgrim wrote:

People who can and have beaten those teams with a team of 3*s please share your strategies

OrangePoser wrote:

I've been using x-force

I felt a great disturbance in The Force... as if a million transitioners suddenly facepalmed...

Arondite

There's not really any major problem with beating Thorce offensively.

scottee

Hood blue pretty much beats anyone who isn't Daken/Blade, or...Hood. Just manage the AP and control what colors are on the board. Then use whatever damage dealer you like.

Pylgrim

Arondite wrote:

There's not really any major problem with beating Thorce offensively.

We are all very glad for you. Now could you share some of your apparently easy success stories with the rest of us?

morph3us

There are a couple of tactics that I follow when I take on X-Force and TGT. My basic approach is to deny green and black primarily, and blue secondarily. What you don't want to have happen is for X-Force to down one of your three characters, because a Power Surge after that will inevitably result in a game over. Likewise, it's rare to recover from a Surgical Strike. I keep an eye on the opposition's green AP; if an X-Force is about to go off, I make sure I rotate a character to the front that can soak the damage.

The first priority target for me is X-Force, since he's faster to take down. TGT is powerful, but it's rare for the AI to get the Power Surge/Smite combination running in the correct order, and a Smite by itself should be soakable too. Once X-Force is down, I switch to denying red and blue, and it's usually game over.

If X-Force drops a Recovery tile, best to match it away and take the damage, than give him more time to build up for a more damaging attack.

The other component is picking your matchup well. If you're running an exclusively 3* team, it's important to try and select out an opponent that's running a loaner featured character. There are too many HP to take down, if the featured 3* is maxed, and too high a risk of having the featured 3* get enough AP for an ability in a colour you can't prioritise.

The team I tend to run is LThor/BP, with +3 G/B boosts, and +3 R/Y boosts (+/- +3 to all AP boosts, depending on how high my score is, and how quickly I'm going to need to make the hop). It provides me with a useful outlet for the colours I'm denying, and a CtS/RoTP is usually enough to down X-Force and the loaner, leaving me only TGT to deal with (although it's arguable whether Defence Grid is actually a useful power).

Obviously, you can still fall victim to a bad board, or a nasty cascade, but that's how it goes.

Arondite

Pylgrim wrote:

Arondite wrote:

There's not really any major problem with beating Thorce offensively.

We are all very glad for you. Now could you share some of your apparently easy success stories with the rest of us?

Hulk + Patch can easily beat them.
Hood + 3Hor can beat them without much trouble.
Patch + Doom can beat them.
Patch + Loki can beat them.
Any 3 Star team with boosts can beat them.

They are not a problem when you are attacking them (granted, they take so long to kill it might not be worth attacking them over an actual 3 star team). The problem is that, if your team is not also Thorce, they will retaliate you and they will win the points back, and they will do so faster than you did and without any trouble or effort.

Unknown

Patch Loki Hood will crush Xforce/Thor. I was beating 270 teams with lvl ~100 chars. The only prob you have to have all 3 and it's pretty slow to win, advantage is you take almost 0 damage.

Other than that, 4Thor plus Loki will crush them as well. With 4Thor, 270xforce/thor teams are no problem.

Trisul

The more interesting question is how to beat a PvE team with either character. As far as I know, Gauntlet and Simulator are the only ones running the 4*s, but you can get locked out if any version of Wolverine or Thor is on the enemy team. When limited on iso, it helps to have a leveling plan so you have some solid backups in case they are unavailable.

(I usually saved Whales TUs for those occasions on Gauntlet where both were unavailable. Usually I'd run Patch/Hulk on Thor nodes and LThor/Hood on Wolv nodes. Probably the best non-Wolv/Thor team I played was LCap/Hood/IM40.)

Unknown

Hulk-Patch is very effective and fast. Mine are at 135 and I can usually beat a 270/270/249 team in under 2 minutes with +3 green/black. If the 249 is huge health and I am about to shield I will add the +3 all just to make sure it goes quick. XF in front first. If they don't have green/black about to fire and he is within 2 or 3 anger strikes of being dead, switch to 4Thor up front to let her soak the cascades. Anger is an AOE attack, so try to use it on all 3 for as long as possible without letting XF get off an attack.

Unknown

I've been running hulk patch and getting finishes around 900 to 1k consistently. Now I have a 415 goddess and I got her past lvl200,and as far as I can tell I'll be able to leverage her and loki to my transition to 4*.

My path was keep using obw and ares on pvps and reaching as high as I can without shielding.
Meanwhile I'm grinding my **** off in pve. Tokens give me enough covers over a month or so to start using 3*s. I level patch to 166 and keep doing pve as hard as I can.

I happened to land on a 535 BP which I used with patch to get my few first over 800 finishes. I eventually get a hulk and level him hard. I then start shielding to finish over 850 to 900. And now I'm heading to 4* land on 190 days . I only ever bought a patch yellow for money.

Orangecrush

The easiest 3 star team is patch/hulk. It's sentry bombing without sentry.

Unknown

My team isn't the fastest but it gets the job done. I usually start with +3 R/Y and perhaps +3 all colors and I go with LCap and Black Panther. I always take down XForce down first, matching red/blue/black. Once I take him down, I usually have enough to stun Thoress, while gathering more red and black which when I have enough, I use shield and ratp for the win.

Unknown

Fighting X Force + Thor is the same as just fighting X Force. Unless you fell asleep and let her get a Power Surge while there is a red match on the board AND you didn't take the red match before she did Power Surge, Thor is just a lot of extra HPs with a subpar red nuke. Treat the fight exactly as if you're fighting X Force, which means you absolutely can't let them get a Surgical Strike and hopefully not more than one X Forces. You'll play a simple green/black denial game though black might be harder if your team lacks a strong black, as you obviously don't want to drag the game on for too long and taking black while your team has no decent black will likely hurt you. I assume your team has a decent green because otherwise I'm not sure what you're even doing fighting X Force in the first place.

If you use someone who regens, note that someone like Patch can take everything except a Surgical Strike (too risky, though you might not always have a choice either) though don't expect to take a second X Force anytime soon.

A common mistake I see in general is people go in with a strategy assuming they can avoid all moves. This isn't possible unless your team is so strong that you wouldn't need any advice to begin with. Since X Force + Thor alone covers 4 colors with decent moves you have to accept certain risks. If you can attack well from red/blue/yellow you might want to try to push the AI toward blue instead of red. Otherwise you need to push them toward red since Smite is barely stronger than a Fireball at 4 more red AP and if you can't take a Fireball you shouldn't even be thinking about fighting X Force either. Obviously it'd be even better if the enemy matches yellow/purple/TU in general but that's just not something you can count on so you need to make a relatively early decision on whether to let them have red or blue. Green/black are pretty much never an option against X Force unless you have X Force/Loki/The Hood and even then things can easily go very wrong even with AP steal.

Unknown

Phantron wrote:

Green/black are pretty much never an option against X Force unless you have X Force/Loki/The Hood and even then things can easily go very wrong even with AP steal.

I disagree. If I can't kill XF before the AI makes 4 black matches, there was probably a pretty good sized cascade and it was already heading South. I tend to deny Green and Blue with Red as a secondary option. Depending on how quick XF is going down that can shift to Blue and Red, with Green as a secondary. If I can kill XF in 3 turns and he still needs 5 Green, I can give up the match to protect against 4Thor powers that will be in play longer.

Always depends on the flow of the game, but I rarely worry about Black.

Unknown

Cyclops, Iron Fist and Star-Lord.

Someday.

Unknown

Fleshtrap wrote:

Cyclops, Iron Fist and Star-Lord.

Someday.

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Oh man. That was a good one