They nerfed ISO-8 Brotherhood! Why no outrage yet?

Ebolamonkey84

I usually hate all of the constant complaining that I see on this forum (except from my alliance mates Ark and Simon, because they make me laugh). I enjoy playing the game even though it is the same thing over and over again because I've got a good group of people to talk to and I no longer have time to play console games as much.

The one PVE I always look forward to is ISO-8 Brotherhood, because they are so generous with the HP (top 10 gets 100 HP, top 50 gets 50 HP for each sub). The last time this PVE came up I was easily earning 150-250 HP per day with 4 subs a day. So when I saw that Cyclops was being rewarded in this event while I am on vacation, I got excited. Imagine my disappointed when someone in shard 1 let us know that now only top 30 gets HP, and you can only get 25 HP per sub. This is a freaking 75% reduction in possible earned HP.

Where is all of the outrage for this? People complain for days about the number of stars on a reward graphic changing from 3 to 2, even though the actual reward didn't change at all. People complain about new rewards being added to the Gauntlet, even though anyone who didn't change their play style at all would actually see a slight improvement in rewards. People complain about the big bad 4 star players keeping them from getting all the good rewards, even though there are many people who can reach 1000 without maxed 4 star characters. But no one cares about the massive reduction in prizes for this event 2 hours after it has been live? This is a change that every reasonable person can agree is negative. I was expecting the torches and pitchforks out in full force.

Unknown

I'm pretty sure they did this when the condensed it down to 4.5 days from the full 9. I remember seeing the skimpy payout from the subs and being kind of pissed, and I'm just back from taking a couple months off so I don't think this change is "new". They may have run it again in the interim with better rewards, but I wouldn't know, I wasn't here.

Unknown

Iso 8 always struck me as unusually generous in terms of sub rewards where you end up getting guys who got top 10 without even needing anything because the HP prizes in sub is too good to pass up. Maybe it's needed to balance the game being quite favorable for PvP in general relative to PvE but Iso 8 was definitely an outlier for the amount of HP you get.

Ebolamonkey84

Thugpatrol wrote:

I'm pretty sure they did this when the condensed it down to 4.5 days from the full 9. I remember seeing the skimpy payout from the subs and being kind of pissed, and I'm just back from taking a couple months off so I don't think this change is "new". They may have run it again in the interim with better rewards, but I wouldn't know, I wasn't here.

The last time they ran this was in December when they introduced PVE sharding. I double checked just to make sure I wasn't taking crazy pills and they definitely still had the 100 HP/50 HP reward structure. I believe that was also a shorter event. It would also make more sense to reduce it to 50/25 HP if that was the reasoning. I will unfortunately still grind, because I think it is fun with 8 hour refresh.

Ebolamonkey84

Phantron wrote:

Iso 8 always struck me as unusually generous in terms of sub rewards where you end up getting guys who got top 10 without even needing anything because the HP prizes in sub is too good to pass up. Maybe it's needed to balance the game being quite favorable for PvP in general relative to PvE but Iso 8 was definitely an outlier for the amount of HP you get.

It was definitely unusual, but that is why it was my favorite PVE. It seems like a step in the wrong direction if 4 stars are going to become more prevalent and roster slot prices aren't going to get capped anytime soon. I could have made more HP this week than I will in the next 100 days of increased daily rewards. They lowered max HP progression in PVP to 725, but we have an 800 PVP minimum so it didn't really affect me that all, not that I don't think that was a very positive change.

I'm going to try to balance my complaint with something positive every time I post here. One time, I sent a PM to them saying that the SHIELD Simulator ended 3 hours earlier than the fifth shard of the final season PVP, because they had introduced time shards in the middle of the season. They sent me an in game gift for providing helpful information. It was still a tinykitty disaster, but I was grateful for their appreciation.

lukewin

I didn't notice until I saw the thread. I was running thru clearing, before I checked the rewards. I also can confirm that the last time it ran, I raked in beaucoup HP, ISO and tokens. I was really looking forward to doing the same this time. It sucks, but I don't want to lead the campaign about the nerf, because we all saw what happens when I do that. There'd be people mentioning only 20 less people/bracket are getting HP, that there is history that people should be aware of to expect this kind of thing, that people are too entitled, etc, which would stray from the original point that it is a huge nerf.

I am also sitting on 6100 HP, so I have no dog in the fight. I would love to add to my bank, but this is a Dev decision that is hard to get changed or an answer on. I agree that this huge a reduction sucks, but MPQ gonna MPQ. I think when more people realize it, they'll be upset, since slice 2 hasn't even started yet. However, it'll just get added on to the same argument that we're getting no help in easing the 2*-3* transition/roster slot dilemma/HP shortage, that are all lumped together. They did take a positive step forward in the daily resupply bump in terms of HP and ISO dished out, but this is a step back, not sure if equal step back, but a step back, nonetheless.

ballingbees

Ebolamonkey84 wrote:

Thugpatrol wrote:

I'm pretty sure they did this when the condensed it down to 4.5 days from the full 9. I remember seeing the skimpy payout from the subs and being kind of pissed, and I'm just back from taking a couple months off so I don't think this change is "new". They may have run it again in the interim with better rewards, but I wouldn't know, I wasn't here.

The last time they ran this was in December when they introduced PVE sharding. I double checked just to make sure I wasn't taking crazy pills and they definitely still had the 100 HP/50 HP reward structure. I believe that was also a shorter event. It would also make more sense to reduce it to 50/25 HP if that was the reasoning. I will unfortunately still grind, because I think it is fun with 8 hour refresh.

I can confirm this, the last time Brotherhood ran in Dec with 12hr subs, each sub ending rewarding 100HP for T10 placement. AND it was the first PVE to introduce time slice. AND it had the zero scaling bug. AND it had X-Force yellow as top reward.

Well it was run in Dec. Good things usually happen in Decembers.

Spoit

Ebolamonkey84 wrote:

Thugpatrol wrote:

I'm pretty sure they did this when the condensed it down to 4.5 days from the full 9. I remember seeing the skimpy payout from the subs and being kind of pissed, and I'm just back from taking a couple months off so I don't think this change is "new". They may have run it again in the interim with better rewards, but I wouldn't know, I wasn't here.

The last time they ran this was in December when they introduced PVE sharding. I double checked just to make sure I wasn't taking crazy pills and they definitely still had the 100 HP/50 HP reward structure. I believe that was also a shorter event. It would also make more sense to reduce it to 50/25 HP if that was the reasoning. I will unfortunately still grind, because I think it is fun with 8 hour refresh.

They introduced PVE sharding wellllllllll before december.

Unless you mean time slices, which made normal sharding way worse. (Seriously, can we please stop conflating the two?)

Ebolamonkey84

Spoit wrote:

Ebolamonkey84 wrote:

Thugpatrol wrote:

I'm pretty sure they did this when the condensed it down to 4.5 days from the full 9. I remember seeing the skimpy payout from the subs and being kind of pissed, and I'm just back from taking a couple months off so I don't think this change is "new". They may have run it again in the interim with better rewards, but I wouldn't know, I wasn't here.

The last time they ran this was in December when they introduced PVE sharding. I double checked just to make sure I wasn't taking crazy pills and they definitely still had the 100 HP/50 HP reward structure. I believe that was also a shorter event. It would also make more sense to reduce it to 50/25 HP if that was the reasoning. I will unfortunately still grind, because I think it is fun with 8 hour refresh.

They introduced PVE sharding wellllllllll before december.

Unless you mean time slices, which made normal sharding way worse. (Seriously, can we please stop conflating the two?)

I could have sworn S1, S2, etc. was referring to shard 1, shard 2, etc. Slice makes more sense.

Unknown

The 12-hour subs, combined with the lousy choice of end times, already nerfed the event for me.

VonMatterhorn

Man, I was excited when they announced ISO-8 Brotherhood was coming, just for all the HP. I was even thinking about starting early to get as much HP as possible.

But now, I'm annoyed. I would have liked the extra shield hopping cash. Ugh.

simonsez

I would've been complaining, but I haven't started yet, so I haven't seen rewards yet. This HP nerf is especially bad since we'll need it for a cyclops roster slot

TxMoose

I can see the dev discussions:

"Man the game is getting boring, let's intro lots of new characters"

"Great idea - now that everyone will be desperate for hp, lets cut back on what is normally given out..."

My guess is its all about the almighty dollar. Its worked on me - I'm not to day 80 yet and I've dropped 20 twice for slots already (up to 37 now, and sold all *s, moon, bag, bulls, and beast). blegh...

Spoit

Ebolamonkey84 wrote:

Spoit wrote:

Ebolamonkey84 wrote:

Thugpatrol wrote:

I'm pretty sure they did this when the condensed it down to 4.5 days from the full 9. I remember seeing the skimpy payout from the subs and being kind of pissed, and I'm just back from taking a couple months off so I don't think this change is "new". They may have run it again in the interim with better rewards, but I wouldn't know, I wasn't here.

The last time they ran this was in December when they introduced PVE sharding. I double checked just to make sure I wasn't taking crazy pills and they definitely still had the 100 HP/50 HP reward structure. I believe that was also a shorter event. It would also make more sense to reduce it to 50/25 HP if that was the reasoning. I will unfortunately still grind, because I think it is fun with 8 hour refresh.

They introduced PVE sharding wellllllllll before december.

Unless you mean time slices, which made normal sharding way worse. (Seriously, can we please stop conflating the two?)

I could have sworn S1, S2, etc. was referring to shard 1, shard 2, etc. Slice makes more sense.

Some people use shard for that. Mostly because they like making talking about it more confusing than it really needs to be.

Each shard is death sharded into at least 2 shard brackets, a vet and newbie one. But it seems as of late there may actually be 3 or more shards per shard, with multple vet brackets open a the same time.