Do not level these characters past a certain point.

grapez

Due to a character tanking colors after leveling them up a certain amount, I believe it's a good idea to not level them past a certain point depending on your team. I will list the hero and the level he has to be to stay behind the front lines with popular line ups I see. Please feel free to comment which heroes you believe should be kept at a certain point and I will add it to the list. This is considering all other characters you have are at level 166 or above. I generally like my true healers to take the damage. If no true healers are present, I would prefer the lower support heroes to not take damage cause a health pack for a higher hp hero means more playing time before having to use one again.

Also, there has been a lot of speculation that team position has something to do with tanking in the event of a tile damage tie. From what I thought I read on the forum in a different post, I thought it was because the game will actually deal in decimals, and only the whole number will show. So the person with the higher decimal will tank no matter what the position.
On the same note, I have a lot of heroes listed at 165 when perhaps they can be leveled to 166. I just want to be 100% sure the Mid, Left, Right position priority is true before I post.
Can anyone clarify?

So to use this chart - If lets say for example you like a team set-up of Hood, level 166 L.Thor, and level 166 Rocket and Groot. You could use the highest number value of the two team members to get an idea of what you should not level Hood past. In an ideal situation where both Rocket and Thor are still alive, Hood can be level 165 and safely not be out in front when you make a yellow match. However if Rocket gets KO'ed, Hood would have to be level 141 and under to not move out in front when he makes a yellow match with Thor.



Hood -

To avoid tanking for ____, keep Hood at the following level -

Black Panther (BP) - 165
L.Cap - 165
L.Thor - 141
Patch - 118
Rocket Groot - 165

To avoid tanking for ____, keep Hood at the following level -
BP - 165
Daken - 137
L. Cap - 137
Rocket Groot - 137

To avoid tanking for ___, keep Hood at the following level -
Blade - 166
BP - 164
Hulk - 164

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Falcon - Falcon from what I gather is mostly used as a way to buff strike tiles. I will list heroes that have the ability to generate them.

To avoid tanking for ___, keep Falcon at the following level -
BP - 165
L.Cap - 165
Patch - 118
Rocket Groot - 165

To avoid tanking for ___, keep Falcon at the following level -
BP - 165
Daken - 137 (very important)
Rocket Groot - 137

To avoid tanking for ___, keep Falcon at the following level -
Blade - 166 (up to you who you want to tank, they both have similar hp pools - around 6k)
Daken - 166

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L. Thor -

To avoid tanking for ___, keep L.Thor at the following level
RocketGroot - 163


more to come -

Seasick Pirate

I've have my Loki built up nicely and was wondering if not leveling him up would be a good idea– let him sit back and do his magic. But I'm not sure who to keep him from tanking for. He works well with whomever you team him with so it's hard for me to decide how to level him.


With Falcon, I can tell you from experince that having him tank for Daken isn't a big deal, but great to have him under Mr. Rogers. I have my own bizarre leveling system that works well for me, so I can't give specific numbers. But I leveled my Falcon to one level below tanking for Cap. With Daken, matching blue is rarely a priority so having Falcon tank doesn't matter much. Just grab some blue at the start to start Redwing in motion and ignore blue the rest of the match.

Other random leveling advice I can say works for me is keep Hulk's level somewhat low (I have mine at about 10k health) so Anger triggers faster. With this method you'll want to keep Thor under Hulk so the green guy can still tank for him.

Patch is someone you'll want to level up because the more he tanks the better for this abilities.

orbitalint

So falcon will always defer to Steve on yellow at equal levels as long as Steve is in a priority slot to falcon. So middle, left, right. Falcon should always be in the right slot to tank the fewest colors of same level characters.

grapez

Seasick Pirate wrote:

I've have my Loki built up nicely and was wondering if not leveling him up would be a good idea– let him sit back and do his magic. But I'm not sure who to keep him from tanking for. He works well with whomever you team him with so it's hard for me to decide how to level him.


With Falcon, I can tell you from experince that having him tank for Daken isn't a big deal, but great to have him under Mr. Rogers. I have my own bizarre leveling system that works well for me, so I can't give specific numbers. But I leveled my Falcon to one level below tanking for Cap. With Daken, matching blue is rarely a priority so having Falcon tank doesn't matter much. Just grab some blue at the start to start Redwing in motion and ignore blue the rest of the match.

Other random leveling advice I can say works for me is keep Hulk's level somewhat low (I have mine at about 10k health) so Anger triggers faster. With this method you'll want to keep Thor under Hulk so the green guy can still tank for him.

Patch is someone you'll want to level up because the more he tanks the better for this abilities.

Hulk - Even though you dont want his level to be too high, since you want his anger to trigger, you also have to realize that keeping him too low will not have him be able to come to the front due to his poor stats and he will never get an anger off unless hit by an AOE skill. I'm starting to think having hulk at 166 is optimal, cause it's really his high health that is a deterrant.

I'm not sure why falcon + cap is a good team. I always thought you wanted falcon to boost strike tiles.

i will get loki data up soon!

thanks for chipping in!

grapez

orbitalint wrote:

So falcon will always defer to Steve on yellow at equal levels as long as Steve is in a priority slot to falcon. So middle, left, right. Falcon should always be in the right slot to tank the fewest colors of same level characters.

did you guys include steve so falcon can buff his yellow? let me include his data then. thanks!

squirrel1120

If one isn't using him in pvp, Loki is another absolutely great character to have fully tanked for in PVE. I use a patch/laken (114)/ Loki (95) composition that works wonders in most pve nodes, and the plan is to keep loki fully covered by laken as the latter gets covers, even though Loki is fully covered at this point.

It also has the unique ability to help counter balance the propensity for the AI to get cheaty runs of cascades.

orbitalint

grapez wrote:

orbitalint wrote:

So falcon will always defer to Steve on yellow at equal levels as long as Steve is in a priority slot to falcon. So middle, left, right. Falcon should always be in the right slot to tank the fewest colors of same level characters.

did you guys include steve so falcon can buff his yellow? let me include his data then. thanks!

I use steve to throw blue protects, which falcon can buff. I've never really gotten enough yellow for his other protect tile. It's just a nice benefit that Steve tanks yellow for falcon so falcon doesn't get dinged up when using inspiration.

Edit: You don't need to keep Falcon at 165 if you pair him with BP or Steve. As mentioned, they will tank yellow for Falcon if you put them in a higher priority character slot at equal levels.

squirrel1120

There's still merit in keeping falcon low to be covered in a patch/laken composition. The amount you'll lose on Inspiration buffing is probably worth having the team be more sustainable with falcon never being out front.

In a survival node situation, having falcon along with Lcap/Im40 means his blue protects getting buffed rather often, and it adds up considerably. Having an over-scaled wolverine pop out after you've purposely ended the turn with a match just to see him do 1 damage on the adamantium slash is kind of an lol moment. Not including Falcons random bird strike tiles at all, I added up all the protect tiles I had neatly lined up at the bottom, and stopped counting when I got over 6k in protection, because at that point I knew Adamantium slash would be negated. Was quite fun.

Unknown

orbitalint wrote:

So falcon will always defer to Steve on yellow at equal levels as long as Steve is in a priority slot to falcon. So middle, left, right. Falcon should always be in the right slot to tank the fewest colors of same level characters.

Thats not how it works. Each tile color of every character has a decimal, and we cant see or change that in any way. Basically, if a character has 79.1 and the other 79.3, the second will always tank that color, no matter the position. Or so the staff said here in the forums.

orbitalint

ShionSinX wrote:

orbitalint wrote:

So falcon will always defer to Steve on yellow at equal levels as long as Steve is in a priority slot to falcon. So middle, left, right. Falcon should always be in the right slot to tank the fewest colors of same level characters.

Thats not how it works. Each tile color of every character has a decimal, and we cant see or change that in any way. Basically, if a character has 79.1 and the other 79.3, the second will always tank that color, no matter the position. Or so the staff said here in the forums.

Yeah except when they are the same level and have the same strongest, secondary or tertiary color. All three stars use the same formula including the decimal in those situations. Falcon and cap have the same strongest color, yellow. Therefore, when at equal level, cap will tank for falcons yellow when cap is in a priority position (center, then left then right). So, if you want to protect falcon on yellow, cap and him can be the same level but cap has to be in a higher priority slot.

For example, bp will tank all of hoods colors when they are equal level as long as bp is in a priority slot to hood because they share the exact same color strengths in the same order. I've had both of them the same level for ages and hood hides behind bp perfectly.

If you are looking for someone's secondary color to tank for a primary color, yes, the decimals matter and levels come into play. But there is no reason to keep falcon under caps level by one if you just want to have cap tank for falcons yellow.

Unknown

I found it hard what lvl to keep Hood at, cause if i maxed him no matter what lvl my TGOT is Hood will tank yellow and blue.

Unknown

Yeah I've heard about not leveling certain guys past certain levels for this exact reason.

But is there an actual list somewhere?

I've already ran into this problem with a couple guys that just eat up a certain color and DIE immediately.

Clanseigh

I spent some time on this myself last night and didn't get as granular as "keep character A under level X to avoid tanking for character B" because there are almost 27,000 possible three-character combinations with our current 31 three-star toons, but I have the general rules of thumb for you. Using Nonce's character and skills compendium as well as the by-level match damage listed on the wiki, I've figured it out based on the character's three main characters.

A three star character's first color will start tanking another three star character's second color at 141 and the third color at 118. The three star's second color will start tanking the level 166 three-star's third color at 137.

Falcon seems to be a popular subject of this question, so I'll outline it with him.

If you pair Falcon with a level 166 three-star character whose second color is yellow (Falcon's strongest match damage color), he will start tanking yellow for the other character as soon as he hits 141. If you're pairing him with a character whose third color is yellow, he'll start tanking yellow for the other character at 118.

If you pair Falcon with a character whose third color is blue (Falcon's second color), he'll take over match damage for that character at 137.

Beast Blue Yellow Green
Black Panther Yellow Blue Black
Black Widow Purple Green Red
Blade Black Purple Green
Cap America Yellow Red Blue
Cap Marvel Red Yellow Black
Colossus Yellow Red Black
Daken Black Purple Blue
Daredevil Purple Blue Red
Deadpool Purple Black Red
Doctor Doom Blue Black Purple
Doc Oc Blue Black Green
Falcon Yellow Blue Purple
Gamora Green Red Black
Torch Red Black Green
IM40 Red Yellow Blue
Loki Purple Black Green
Luke Cage Yellow Red Black
CMags Blue Red Yellow
Mystique Purple Blue Black
Psylocke Red Blue Black
Rocket/Groot Yellow Green Blue
Sentry Red Green Yellow
She-Hulk Blue Red Green
Spider-Man Yellow Purple Blue
MoStorm Green Yellow Black
Hood Yellow Blue Black
Hulk Green Red Black
Punisher Black Green Red
LThor Red Yellow Green
Patch Green Red Yellow