this is so utterly ridiculous

grunth13
grunth13 Posts: 608 Critical Contributor
edited February 2015 in MPQ General Discussion
Just did essential 10 with blade, hulk and spidey. I had mag and storm with b/p boost times 3 and critical times 2 and guess what, I even have 2 blue with hood so I should be stealing blue and pink when there are ten on the board. So I see 12 blue on the board, doesn't steal, I see 10 pink on the board doesn't steal, and there are only 7 reds on the board, but blade immediately starts putting strike tiles down. Also, the first 3 times I make a match, it gives the AI a 4 or 5 match which immediately starts a cascade that decimates my team within 6 turns...this happened 3 times in a freaking row. Heals gone, boosts gone, characters gone.
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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    edited February 2015
    Kay


    character limit
  • dr tinykittylove
    dr tinykittylove Posts: 1,459 Chairperson of the Boards
    Need to check. Hood at 2 blue steals only if there are more than 10 tiles - ie 11 tiles. Also, if enemy doesn't have ap in those colours he has nothing to steal.
  • Pinko_McFly
    Pinko_McFly Posts: 282 Mover and Shaker
    Hood should be 10 at 2 coverz. Other team probably didn't havd any to steal
  • Trisul
    Trisul Posts: 887 Critical Contributor
    I know what you mean. This one time I got an insane cascade and was able to kill the entire enemy team in one turn. Utterly ridiculous.
  • racanrpa
    racanrpa Posts: 32
    Trisul wrote:
    I know what you mean. This one time I got an insane cascade and was able to kill the entire enemy team in one turn. Utterly ridiculous.


    It s funny that all people remember is when insane cascades are from the AI. I just won a PVP match, where i beat full Xforce and full Thorine in 1 turn, leaving only poor Spidey to finish. I must be cheating, right? icon_rolleyes.gif (I m sorry, your Holliness Jamie Madroxx, you were a juicy 47 pointer... I know, it´s Sacrilege!!! icon_e_surprised.gif )
  • rednailz
    rednailz Posts: 559
    racanrpa wrote:
    Trisul wrote:
    I know what you mean. This one time I got an insane cascade and was able to kill the entire enemy team in one turn. Utterly ridiculous.


    It s funny that all people remember is when insane cascades are from the AI. I just won a PVP match, where i beat full Xforce and full Thorine in 1 turn, leaving only poor Spidey to finish. I must be cheating, right? icon_rolleyes.gif (I m sorry, your Holliness Jamie Madroxx, you were a juicy 47 pointer... I know, it´s Sacrilege!!! icon_e_surprised.gif )

    Sometimes Jamie Madroxx allows others to beat him so they can get a brief taste of the awesome that is Jamie Madroxx. That's how generous he is.
  • KrazyKeylime
    KrazyKeylime Posts: 367
    racanrpa wrote:
    Trisul wrote:
    I know what you mean. This one time I got an insane cascade and was able to kill the entire enemy team in one turn. Utterly ridiculous.


    It s funny that all people remember is when insane cascades are from the AI. I just won a PVP match, where i beat full Xforce and full Thorine in 1 turn, leaving only poor Spidey to finish. I must be cheating, right? icon_rolleyes.gif (I m sorry, your Holliness Jamie Madroxx, you were a juicy 47 pointer... I know, it´s Sacrilege!!! icon_e_surprised.gif )
    but the AI seem to get the crazy cascades about 5x more often then players...
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    racanrpa wrote:
    Trisul wrote:
    I know what you mean. This one time I got an insane cascade and was able to kill the entire enemy team in one turn. Utterly ridiculous.


    It s funny that all people remember is when insane cascades are from the AI. I just won a PVP match, where i beat full Xforce and full Thorine in 1 turn, leaving only poor Spidey to finish. I must be cheating, right? icon_rolleyes.gif (I m sorry, your Holliness Jamie Madroxx, you were a juicy 47 pointer... I know, it´s Sacrilege!!! icon_e_surprised.gif )

    It s funny that someone just remember is when insane cascades are from the themself. he just won a PVP match, where he just dreaming to beat full Xforce and full Thorine in 1 turn, leaving only poor Spidey to finish. he must be dreaming, right? icon_rolleyes.gif (I m sorry, your Holliness Jamie Madroxx, you were a juicy 47 pointer... I know, it´s Sacrilege!!! icon_e_surprised.gif )
  • grunth13
    grunth13 Posts: 608 Critical Contributor
    I get my cascades against the AI, but you know when I seem to get them...When it doesn't matter. I will get those crazy cascades against level 40 goons. I will get those crazy cascades when I have the AI on the mat with one character left and 1000 hp left. I occasionally get them during the game, but I have to create my own with mag's pink or gsbw pink or hulk green, etc. I rarely get them from making a 4 or 5 match on my own. That is what the devs need to look at if possible...at what time in the game does the cascade happen for us vs AI and what happened just previously (did I use an ability or did AI just do a simple match).
  • Trisul
    Trisul Posts: 887 Critical Contributor
    grunth13 wrote:
    I get my cascades against the AI, but you know when I seem to get them...When it doesn't matter. I will get those crazy cascades against level 40 goons. I will get those crazy cascades when I have the AI on the mat with one character left and 1000 hp left. I occasionally get them during the game, but I have to create my own with mag's pink or gsbw pink or hulk green, etc. I rarely get them from making a 4 or 5 match on my own. That is what the devs need to look at if possible...at what time in the game does the cascade happen for us vs AI and what happened just previously (did I use an ability or did AI just do a simple match).
    The devs already explained that tile generation is completely random. It would require much, much more effort to code tile generation specifically to screw players.

    This game has a lot of RNG. Expect bad breaks from time to time.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Trisul wrote:
    The devs already explained that tile generation is completely random.

    I definitely saw the extreme of that last week. The AI cleared a column and it was filled entirely by red. Thankfully there were no red users on that team (goons)
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    cjkmpq wrote:
    Trisul wrote:
    The devs already explained that tile generation is completely random.

    I definitely saw the extreme of that last week. The AI cleared a column and it was filled entirely by red. Thankfully there were no red users on that team (goons)

    An entire row of 8 of the same color should drop about every 40 millionth time. Never happened for or against me, but imagine someone is seeing it just about every day. Lucky you.
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    Just one thing, did the AI have ap to steal? You can't steal what they don't have
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    Did the AI have ap of those colors? You can't steal what they don't have
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    KrazyKeylime wrote:
    but the AI seem to get the crazy cascades about 5x more often then players...


    Confirmation bias. I suggest you read up on it.

    Here's a helpful link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    So the other day my initial board featured the ultra rare match 7:

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    Not only a match 7, but one that gave me a second match 7 right away:

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    Which in turn produced a very lovely cascade for me and I was able to win on turn 2 I believe. Utterly ridiculous. Maybe I should've been playing the lottery instead of MPQ.
  • famousfoxking
    famousfoxking Posts: 245 Tile Toppler
    Trisul wrote:
    The devs already explained that tile generation is completely random. It would require much, much more effort to code tile generation specifically to screw players.

    This game has a lot of RNG. Expect bad breaks from time to time.

    At WORST I do think it could be argued that the RNG isn't particularly good. It seems* to be pretty clumpy, which is why you'll see full stacks of a color drop or why I pulled 3 gold covers (that I didn't need, 'natch) in a row from standard tokens the other day. But that clumpiness is in the player's favor just as often as it's in the AI's favor.

    *SEEMS. I'm human too, so I notice patterns that aren't really there just like everyone else does. All of my evidence is anecdotal.
  • Lidolas
    Lidolas Posts: 500
    papa07 wrote:
    cjkmpq wrote:
    Trisul wrote:
    The devs already explained that tile generation is completely random.

    I definitely saw the extreme of that last week. The AI cleared a column and it was filled entirely by red. Thankfully there were no red users on that team (goons)

    An entire row of 8 of the same color should drop about every 40 millionth time. Never happened for or against me, but imagine someone is seeing it just about every day. Lucky you.

    I've seen it 3 times in this game. All were for the AI. (don't read into this that I'm saying AI cheats icon_e_biggrin.gif )
  • Trisul
    Trisul Posts: 887 Critical Contributor
    famousfoxking wrote:
    At WORST I do think it could be argued that the RNG isn't particularly good. It seems* to be pretty clumpy, which is why you'll see full stacks of a color drop or why I pulled 3 gold covers (that I didn't need, 'natch) in a row from standard tokens the other day. But that clumpiness is in the player's favor just as often as it's in the AI's favor.

    *SEEMS. I'm human too, so I notice patterns that aren't really there just like everyone else does. All of my evidence is anecdotal.
    True RNG is very clumpy. This is why some games change their random number generation to be more even. I know League of Legends' crit calculations are smoothed (not true RNG).

    Maybe it can be argued that the devs should implement a similar smoothing tile generation algorithm (i.e. dropping a bunch of yellow tiles will reduce the chance of more yellow tiles for a little bit). I for one am fine with the current implementation.
  • KrazyKeylime
    KrazyKeylime Posts: 367
    Tripwire wrote:
    KrazyKeylime wrote:
    but the AI seem to get the crazy cascades about 5x more often then players...


    Confirmation bias. I suggest you read up on it.

    Here's a helpful link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
    tiny kitty now look what you did. now i have to create a spread sheet track all my pulls and keep track of all the tiny kitty Cascades for me and my opponents for the next 30years cause my entire >1 year of on and off playing is not a suitable sample size. why couldn't you let me vent.

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