The All-New PVE Refresh Times

Ebolamonkey84

Can you put that graph up with legible axis labels? I want to see if I made global top 500.

Thanks for keeping 8 hour refreshes. I managed my first top 2 finish because of it.

Unknown

rbdragon

scottee wrote:

He just said they need to have a week and you said do it by tomorrow.

Well he said they need a week to have a whole event done so they could test it - this wouldn't be a complete rework of an event, just one aspect.

Anyway, I was simply asking/thinking out loud...never hurts to ask...

JVReal

Not a fan.

Now I have nothing worth playing after this event. A phone game should not be only playable 2 to 3 times a day. Never have I seen a company try so hard to prevent people from playing their game.

Good game made worse in my opinion.

Bad call.

Can't wait for a 12 hour sub you can play every 8 hours... /sarcasm

Should NOT have been applied to ALL PVE's across the board. Leave it to D3P to again go extreme with all of its changes.

Please do not down rate me, you are all spamming your agreement, I can express my discontent. Without it D3P will continue to think everyone loves it.

Demiurge_Will

Ebolamonkey84 wrote:

Can you put that graph up with legible axis labels? I want to see if I made global top 500.

I updated the initial post and made it as big as this forum software can handle! You still need to squint a bit, sorry about that.

Ebolamonkey84 wrote:

Thanks for keeping 8 hour refreshes. I managed my first top 2 finish because of it.

Cool, congrats!

scottee

JVReal wrote:

Not a fan.

Now I have nothing worth playing after this event. A phone game should not be only playable 2 to 3 times a day. Never have I seen a company try so hard to prevent people from playing their game.

Good game made worse in my opinion.

Bad call.

Can't wait for a 12 hour sub you can play every 8 hours... /sarcasm

Should NOT have been applied to ALL PVE's across the board. Leave it to D3P to again go extreme with all of its changes.

Please do not down rate me, you are all spamming your agreement, I can express my discontent. Without it D3P will continue to think everyone loves it.

I actually partially agree. I know everyone here's been unilaterally praising 8 hour refreshes, but I got bored during that event. Especially with a lot PVP's lately where I haven't needed the prizes, and the new 4*'s are all meh, I've been finding myself with nothing to do a lot.

Unknown

JVReal wrote:

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Now I have nothing worth playing after this event. A phone game should not be only playable 2 to 3 times a day. Never have I seen a company try so hard to prevent people from playing their game.

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Odd, my MPQ (phone game) has a whole another tab with multiple running events for me to compete in as often as I want!

...

Or maybe I just like being able to better balance my play between PVP and PVE events with forced 8 hour PVE refreshes.

Unknown

slycookies wrote:

JVReal wrote:

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Now I have nothing worth playing after this event. A phone game should not be only playable 2 to 3 times a day. Never have I seen a company try so hard to prevent people from playing their game.

<snip>

Odd, my MPQ (phone game) has a whole another tab with multiple running events for me to compete in as often as I want!

...

Or maybe I just like being able to better balance my play between PVP and PVE events with forced 8 hour PVE refreshes.

This.

Thanks! I might actually go back to PVE when time allows now.

JVReal

slycookies wrote:

JVReal wrote:

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Now I have nothing worth playing after this event. A phone game should not be only playable 2 to 3 times a day. Never have I seen a company try so hard to prevent people from playing their game.

<snip>

Odd, my MPQ (phone game) has a whole another tab with multiple running events for me to compete in as often as I want!

...

Or maybe I just like being able to better balance my play between PVP and PVE events with forced 8 hour PVE refreshes.

That's fine and dandy if you have a roster that can compete in that other tab. As a person transitioning from 2* to 3*, PVP has Zero fun and no appeal since it is dominated by Big Rosters. PVE is the only means of achieving covers for the transitioning player such as myself, and the only mode that actually appeals to me as being fun. Now that they have limited you to 8 hour refreshes, the fun is gone.

I can tell you the same thing, that if you don't like the refreshes in PVE being 3 hour, there is the other tab you can focus on, but you, just like me, would rather not be limited to just one type of event. Unlike you, I now have nothing I find enjoyable in this game anymore. I am truly happy you still find joy in the game.

Unknown

Demiurge_Miles wrote:

Unfortunately, it's too late to update Thick as Thieves (that would make things really weird as it's mid-run) but you can be sure that the next PVE event will run with 8hr refresh times.

Err, you guys have a long and notorious history of changing things "mid-run" when it suits you, so I question the veracity of this claim.

orbitalint

JVReal wrote:

That's fine and dandy if you have a roster that can compete in that other tab. As a person transitioning from 2* to 3*, PVP has Zero fun and no appeal since it is dominated by Big Rosters. PVE is the only means of achieving covers for the transitioning player such as myself, and the only mode that actually appeals to me as being fun. Now that they have limited you to 8 hour refreshes, the fun is gone.

I can tell you the same thing, that if you don't like the refreshes in PVE being 3 hour, there is the other tab you can focus on, but you, just like me, would rather not be limited to just one type of event. Unlike you, I now have nothing I find enjoyable in this game anymore. I am truly happy you still find joy in the game.

For better or worse, I like focusing on PVE and playing for top 25 when I have to in PVP. Most of the time, I get to 600 and call it a day unshielded. Yes, I have a mature roster that allows me to do this but 3 hours was really impacting my desire to play any PVP at all because I didn't want to waste the health packs that I needed for PVE. That was equally limiting my ability to play this game when I wanted to.

I don't know if and/or when it is coming, but I've heard rumblings about a daily PVE event that could address this. Also, maybe we'll see fewer heroics (is no heroics wishful thinking?) and more multi-sub events with overlapping times to compensate for your concern. I'm thinking the Hunt specifically but I'm sure others could be tweaked to allow play throughout the day in spurts less than 8 hours apart because the subs end at different times.

Unknown

Thank you, not only for the decision, but also for sharing your data and thoughtprocess with us.

JVReal

orbitalint wrote:

JVReal wrote:

That's fine and dandy if you have a roster that can compete in that other tab. As a person transitioning from 2* to 3*, PVP has Zero fun and no appeal since it is dominated by Big Rosters. PVE is the only means of achieving covers for the transitioning player such as myself, and the only mode that actually appeals to me as being fun. Now that they have limited you to 8 hour refreshes, the fun is gone.

I can tell you the same thing, that if you don't like the refreshes in PVE being 3 hour, there is the other tab you can focus on, but you, just like me, would rather not be limited to just one type of event. Unlike you, I now have nothing I find enjoyable in this game anymore. I am truly happy you still find joy in the game.

For better or worse, I like focusing on PVE and playing for top 25 when I have to in PVP. Most of the time, I get to 600 and call it a day unshielded. Yes, I have a mature roster that allows me to do this but 3 hours was really impacting my desire to play any PVP at all because I didn't want to waste the health packs that I needed for PVE. That was equally limiting my ability to play this game when I wanted to.

I don't know if and/or when it is coming, but I've heart rumblings about a daily PVE event that could address this. Also, maybe we'll see fewer heroics (is no heroics wishful thinking?) and more multi-sub events with overlapping times to compensate for your concern. I'm thinking the Hunt specifically but I'm sure others could be tweaked to allow play throughout the day in spurts less than 8 hours apart because the subs end at different times.

I can agree with that. I think certain events lend themselves better to the 8 hour refresh than others. The Hunt, I think it did well with 8 hour refreshes. I wanted to hate them entirely, but they did seem to work out for that PVE.

If Thick as Thieves was 8 hour refresh, it would suck. 5 nodes every 8 hours if you don't have the essential? ZZZZZ
8 nodes every 8 hours if you do have the essential! YAY, that's 1 per hour! ZZZZZ
That'll give you 8 hours to beat Magneto...

But seriously, I think rotating refreshes for different events would be a good thing, and they didn't even test 4 hour went straight from 3 to 8.

Without a non-competitive mode to play, there is nothing to do between PVE refreshes for those of us that don't have rosters that can compete in PVP.

fmftint

JVReal wrote:

Not a fan.

Now I have nothing worth playing after this event. A phone game should not be only playable 2 to 3 times a day. Never have I seen a company try so hard to prevent people from playing their game.

Good game made worse in my opinion.

Bad call.

Can't wait for a 12 hour sub you can play every 8 hours... /sarcasm

Should NOT have been applied to ALL PVE's across the board. Leave it to D3P to again go extreme with all of its changes.

Please do not down rate me, you are all spamming your agreement, I can express my discontent. Without it D3P will continue to think everyone loves it.

PVE current story
PVP Current event
PVP Shield Sim
PVP LRs
coming soon PVE daily
There is plenty to do at any time

mohio

orbitalint wrote:

JVReal wrote:

That's fine and dandy if you have a roster that can compete in that other tab. As a person transitioning from 2* to 3*, PVP has Zero fun and no appeal since it is dominated by Big Rosters. PVE is the only means of achieving covers for the transitioning player such as myself, and the only mode that actually appeals to me as being fun. Now that they have limited you to 8 hour refreshes, the fun is gone.

I can tell you the same thing, that if you don't like the refreshes in PVE being 3 hour, there is the other tab you can focus on, but you, just like me, would rather not be limited to just one type of event. Unlike you, I now have nothing I find enjoyable in this game anymore. I am truly happy you still find joy in the game.

For better or worse, I like focusing on PVE and playing for top 25 when I have to in PVP. Most of the time, I get to 600 and call it a day unshielded. Yes, I have a mature roster that allows me to do this but 3 hours was really impacting my desire to play any PVP at all because I didn't want to waste the health packs that I needed for PVE. That was equally limiting my ability to play this game when I wanted to.

I don't know if and/or when it is coming, but I've heart rumblings about a daily PVE event that could address this. Also, maybe we'll see fewer heroics (is no heroics wishful thinking?) and more multi-sub events with overlapping times to compensate for your concern. I'm thinking the Hunt specifically but I'm sure others could be tweaked to allow play throughout the day in spurts less than 8 hours apart because the subs end at different times.

To your point they could stagger the "easy" and "hard" subs in pves that have those normally running at the same time. Still doesn't cover all of the pve but would make it pseudo 4 hr refresh instead of 8. I think this is actually what caused scores not to bunch at the top since health packs become an issue when you are playing every 4 hours and also trying to do multiple clears at the end of a sub plus the first class of the new sub right when it opens. I suspect it will be easier to clear optimally if there is just one sub every 24-48 hours.

JVReal

fmftint wrote:

PVE current story
PVP Current event
PVP Shield Sim
PVP LRs
coming soon PVE daily
There is plenty to do at any time

PVE... the one with 8 hour refreshes?

PVP current - cap out at 400 if i'm lucky, can't compete, no fun
PVP Shield Sim - no progression incentive and I cap out at 1000 over the entire season because that's when I hit my wall, can't compete, no fun.
PVP LR's - happen during the day at work typically, and I still can't compete, no fun.

Coming Soon... doesn't help me enjoy the game until they are here if they don't come before the 8 hour refreshes. I don't know what they are about, but hope they add some fun to the game... but since they are "coming soon" they don't count until they are "here".

Plenty for you, not for me. Showing me other aspects of the game that I cannot compete in is no form of incentive. The method for me to advance in order to compete in the other aspects of the game has just been ruined... thus eliminating the other aspects for the foreseeable future.

Is there a link to information about the daily PVE's? I'd like to read up on that and see if that holds out hope! Thank you for mentioning that one though, it has piqued my interest.

orbitalint

mohio wrote:

To your point they could stagger the "easy" and "hard" subs in pves that have those normally running at the same time. Still doesn't cover all of the pve but would make it pseudo 4 hr refresh instead of 8. I think this is actually what caused scores not to bunch at the top since health packs become an issue when you are playing every 4 hours and also trying to do multiple clears at the end of a sub plus the first class of the new sub right when it opens. I suspect it will be easier to clear optimally if there is just one sub every 24-48 hours.

Yeah, I think they chose an atypical event to test the 8 hour timer. It is impossible to know which variable caused the smooth curve of their data because there is not "optimal" play schedule with so many nodes that scale people out at varying times and no health pack buys. If they wanted to see the plateau, do a heroic with 10 nodes (I almost shutter to type these words in the event the boards blame me for this idea). I'm not complaining but it would likely be much clearer but equally suspect event to use. I'd have preferred a simulator or hulk-like event for the test, myself.

I'm all for the outcome, I think the process was a lil screwy to get there though.

orbitalint

JVReal wrote:

Is there a link to information about the daily PVE's? I'd like to read up on that and see if that holds out hope! Thank you for mentioning that one though, it has piqued my interest.

It's in the Spoiler Upcoming Character thread somewhere talking about what the code guys are seeing (viewtopic.php?f=14&t=21727&hilit=daily+pve&start=120#p282377) but a full thread about it is here.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22650&hilit=daily+pve

GothicKratos

Dr Spaceman wrote:

Demiurge_Miles wrote:

Unfortunately, it's too late to update Thick as Thieves (that would make things really weird as it's mid-run) but you can be sure that the next PVE event will run with 8hr refresh times.

Err, you guys have a long and notorious history of changing things "mid-run" when it suits you, so I question the veracity of this claim.

Regardless of this or that, God forbid they decide not to do something we've told them repeatedly not to do.

Trisul

Honestly JVReal, your real beef with the game is lack of content (a legitimate concern). It's not really the 8h timers. C'mon, the fact that you have to sacrifice sleep to optimize (w/3h timers) is sucky on principle.

8h timers shouldn't affect anyone's PvE rankings that drastically because the basic principles of high scoring remain the same, and it's not difficult for a 2* roster to attain T50, which is a good goal for progression. I get that you want to play the game more (ah, those were the days), but the game simply lacks compelling content right now. We're hoping that changes in the future, but grinding PvE isn't particularly "good content" more than just a time suck.

So please, beg the devs for new compelling content. Don't beg them for the return of 3h timers.