Failing To Delivery on 8 Hour Refresh

ShanePHallam

So, the problem is the Hunt, not the delivery of the 8 hour refreshes. It actually is a decent "easing in" of the 8 hour refresh with two subs.

simonsez

daibar wrote:

Let's say you do a clear at 6 PM, but go to bed at 10PM and wake up at 6AM. The question is, do you clear nodes then or when you wake up?

I appreciate the math, but doing a clear 4 hours after your previous clear isn't what I'd call "doubling up", nor is it what JV was referring to, since he specifically mentioned having to wait 16 hours.

Unknown

If you double up, you only lose roughly 1/6 the points or 17% of a cycle.

If you otherwise have to leave the nodes full for longer than say 90 mins, it's better to double up. Ironically, this method requires more discipline because you know you're not being optimal beforehand, but you're planning it out so your less than optimal strategy is as close to optimal as possible. For me, it's better than waking up in the middle of the night, worrying about missing a pass.

JVReal

simonsez wrote:

JVReal wrote:

... or you lose the extra hours because it refreshed in the middle of the night and play for full points in the morning 3 hours wasted after having to already wait 8.

Kinda like how if you double-cleared a 3 hour refresh, and slept for 9 hours, you'll be hitting the nodes after they'd been sitting full for 3 hours. Actually, it's not "kinda like", it's exactly the same thing.

Devs must be loving this... the people who didn't want 8hr refreshes aren't happy, and those who did are still looking for reasons to be unhappy.

Who in the real world sleeps for 9 hours? I go to bed at midnight/1 am, and I get up at 6:30. 4am falls in the middle there.
If you sleep for 9 hours, you triple clear them. 9 is divisible by 3.

Unknown

If the following conditions are met, I can sleep for 12 hours, easily.

I have the next day off.

I have no early obligations.

My youngest daughter is attending a sleep over.

Unknown

If you can triple clear the nodes before sleeping there's almost no way you're losing most PvE events to begin with, whether that's because your scaling is super low or that you're just that awesome. Where did all these super PvE warriors come from? With that kind of performance you'd be running circles around everyone else and if anything you want longer refresh so that other people can't possibly outgrind you when you bring your unbelievable power to triple or quadruple clear in the last 8 hours.

tanis3303

Phantron wrote:

If you can triple clear the nodes before sleeping there's almost no way you're losing most PvE events to begin with, whether that's because your scaling is super low or that you're just that awesome. Where did all these super PvE warriors come from? With that kind of performance you'd be running circles around everyone else and if anything you want longer refresh so that other people can't possibly outgrind you when you bring your unbelievable power to triple or quadruple clear in the last 8 hours.

This is true. For the squirrel girl heroic I triple cleared everything but the hardest nodes before bed each night and ended up in 3rd place with no worry of losing top 10. That's my usual strategy if I'm aiming to place well, it has yet to let me down.

Unknown

Phantron wrote:

If you can triple clear the nodes before sleeping there's almost no way you're losing most PvE events to begin with, whether that's because your scaling is super low or that you're just that awesome. Where did all these super PvE warriors come from? With that kind of performance you'd be running circles around everyone else and if anything you want longer refresh so that other people can't possibly outgrind you when you bring your unbelievable power to triple or quadruple clear in the last 8 hours.

it is unbelievable as the nodes level already higher than you. it is only about health pack and roster

Unknown

JVReal wrote:

simonsez wrote:

benben77 wrote:

8 hr refresh have another VERY serious problem. You are not allow to sleep. If you are not luck that one sub full fresh in 400 am.... please wake up and play. 4 hrs point loss reduce your totally source to hell.

And how is this worse than a 3 hr refresh?

You can double up a 3 hour refresh right before bed and be clear to play for full points in the morning as you sleep through your 6 hour refresh.
You double up an 8 hour refresh, and you can't play for full points for 16 hours... or you lose the extra hours because it refreshed in the middle of the night and play for full points in the morning 3 hours wasted after having to already wait 8.

Yes but we are competive with those wake up at 4:00am and do the refresh. If you want to being compeitive you need to follow. As the forums always mention the dev team use a very limited scope to the game. Solve one poblem and two shall raise ( hey Hydra) !

Dont limited your thinking in such small scope. For a general 4hrs reflesh time and 8 hours sleep time there are 3 rounds/ chance for the high sourers to lost point ( everyone sleep or leave the non sleep guy to pick 1st and 2nd. I m always aims of 3- 10 ) . For those started later there are " chance " to catch up. However for a 8hrs refresh late starter is no chance.

Pressure of every match is Huge! image that everyone need to do at least 5 -6 rounds clear a day. It is not gurantee to clear everything . Everyone may have few chance to fail in different rounds. However in a 8 hrs refresh time. you are not going to catch up easily as someone have been pass. everything become 1 off .

I perfectly understand do what you want to do logic but the competive placement rewards ruin everything they desgin

Unknown

Paintsville wrote:

If the following conditions are met, I can sleep for 12 hours, easily.

I have the next day off.

I have no early obligations.

My youngest daughter is attending a sleep over.

If I have those three things fall into place, then the dogs inevitably wake me up around 6:30. It has been over 10 years since every condition was met for me to sleep that long.

JVReal

On a normal event, I double or triple clear the trivial - normal nodes typically before bed or until I run out of health packs. I miss refreshes throughout the day due to work, family, etc, so I can only make up so many points in the evening. I don't mess with the "hard" nodes unless I have extra Health Packs or its my last fight before bed so the group can heal up while I sleep if they get slaughtered.

This event... yikes. I haven't cleared all the "normal" nodes in Florida yet. To many AI cascades on first turn followed by Spam-o-rama of their abilities. Who thought it was a good idea for venom to have a stun ability that takes 4 purple and be fed purple by a minion? Stun-locked team sitting and watching them gather AP, then use AP while you sit there waiting for your turn that never comes.

Normal nodes shouldn't rely on luck. Why does the AI Rags Green attack Always generate 3 - 6 red AP in those two rows that refill? They need to reassign the amount of AP those attacks need when they are boosted as enemies... wow!

Anyway... For this particular event, I am kind of glad they have the 8 hour refresh if only for the fact that I can stagger all these nodes to go with my health pack regeneration because they are so tough to fight. It still feels like a 3 hour play cycle for me (which I enjoy) without feeling like I'm falling behind because the first batch of nodes drain my life before I get to these "normal" ones.

I'm using my first 5 health packs to clear Essentials on both subs, then the trivial and easy fights (for however long they last), then push through as many Normal nodes in the sub that is ending soonest.
After health packs refresh, pick up on the "normal" subs I left off on. If I haven't cleared them all by the time the first 8 hour refresh is up, I will just start back at the beginning with the essentials, etc. Fortunately my health packs will refresh at my lunch time, and I can play a bunch of nodes at lunch.

Though 8 hours is working for me for this particular event, I'm not sure I would enjoy it at all with the other events I've played in the past.

Ebolamonkey84

You will get to experience a true 8 hour refresh after the first sub ends. Once it does, Florida and Savage will be on the same 8 hour schedule. I personally don't mind the 4 hour stagger right now due to the number of nodes.