poaching/rescuing

jimstarooney

So I came up with a new idea of recruiting players as mine seemed to be taking a long time filling up.if u trust your alliance then u gotta be trustworthy yourself right? I left my alliance and joined others so I could see their season score/roster.i have recruited a few players this way including commanders and this has bumped our score up considerably, to the point that we are pushing for top 100 in our 1st season.however 1 commander has took offence to me doing so and even described my actions as sleazy and classless.bear in mind I was always polite and every alliance I visited I never said a bad word about the alliance, just posted my requirements for alliance, left messages for the players I was referring to and if there was some1 with a decent team but not very good points what I would want from them if they wanted to join too.pretty reasonable thing to do if u ask me but being referred to as sleazy and classless didnt sit right with me.did I do wrong or was it a creative way to recruit? I certainly wouldnt mind if it was done to me by a vastly better alliance and I would wish my guy luck if I couldn't promise a better season finish than the poaching/rescuing alliance.

user311

+1 for Creative.

Artean

Personally <shrug> it's a game. Let people get out of it what they will. If people want to leave it's because they either weren't happy, see a better fit, etc. So all you are doing is offering a possibility. Since many players don't read this forum they don't know of other options.

Unknown

I would say actually joining other alliances to recruit members is dirty pool. Our alliance really aims to get people long-term, and every time we accept someone we're turning down other people. You're causing headaches for those alliances, possibly costing them placement (depending on when they leave), and tinykittying over both the alliance and someone who might have benefited from joining it in their stead.

Artean

Ben Grimm wrote:

I would say actually joining other alliances to recruit members is dirty pool. Our alliance really aims to get people long-term, and every time we accept someone we're turning down other people. You're causing headaches for those alliances, possibly costing them placement (depending on when they leave), and tinykittying over both the alliance and someone who might have benefited from joining it in their stead.

I can see this as well but Alliances like CareBearStare aren't gonna be the ones losing to him. My guess is it's those public hodgepodge alliances where someone hits the alliance button sees a name they like and clicks join. Just my two cents. If he was trying to do it to alliances like yours or others then yeah that would be a big no no.

Unknown

Artean wrote:

Ben Grimm wrote:

I would say actually joining other alliances to recruit members is dirty pool. Our alliance really aims to get people long-term, and every time we accept someone we're turning down other people. You're causing headaches for those alliances, possibly costing them placement (depending on when they leave), and tinykittying over both the alliance and someone who might have benefited from joining it in their stead.

I can see this as well but Alliances like CareBearStare aren't gonna be the ones losing to him. My guess is it's those public hodgepodge alliances where someone hits the alliance button sees a name they like and clicks join. Just my two cents. If he was trying to do it to alliances like yours or others then yeah that would be a big no no.

But in a way, that's worse. We're a relatively well-known alliance; we can get replacements pretty easily. This kind of thing could pretty much destroy a small alliance by taking its best people.

jimstarooney

I neglected to mention any alliance I did join was ones with really low numbers I didnt go into alliances with more than 10.if I would have found 10 decent players I would have suggested a merge.

Unknown

jimstarooney wrote:

I neglected to mention any alliance I did join was ones with really low numbers I didnt go into alliances with more than 10.if I would have found 10 decent players I would have suggested a merge.

Then you probably killed most, if not all, of those that you went into.

jimstarooney

And at the end of the day ben grimm we are all competing against each other, its not like I propositioned the guys wife.

jimstarooney

Let me say one thing, after goin in loads of alliances I found a lot of players with decent scores and other players doing virtually nothing! Just piggy-backing which doesnt sit right with me either.

Unknown

Ben Grimm wrote:

I would say actually joining other alliances to recruit members is dirty pool. Our alliance really aims to get people long-term, and every time we accept someone we're turning down other people. You're causing headaches for those alliances, possibly costing them placement (depending on when they leave), and tinykittying over both the alliance and someone who might have benefited from joining it in their stead.

You did ask for opinions, and i share Bens view fwiw. As you say its just a game etc etc and you have your method of competing, but within the forum people generally try to foster collaborative efforts even outside of alliances (for example, not attacking someone you know is near 1300 or similar) so its towards the other end of the spectrum.
No biggie but i dont think many people would encourage it and i can understand people being upset.

Square

jimstarooney wrote:

And at the end of the day ben grimm we are all competing against each other, its not like I propositioned the guys wife.

You opened a thread because you wanted opinions and you can't complain that people don't agree. It's true, you didn't propostion his wife: you came into the place in the game he personally was working on building, and tried to take out his strongest support. Hmm, should he be annoyed? I think so.

Some people are just over-competitive. Everyone tends to have more fun when people play with sportsmanship, so if you are over-competitive, don't be shocked if you get a bad rep.

Arogntbastrd

jimstarooney wrote:

So I came up with a new idea of recruiting players as mine seemed to be taking a long time filling up.if u trust your alliance then u gotta be trustworthy yourself right? I left my alliance and joined others so I could see their season score/roster.i have recruited a few players this way including commanders and this has bumped our score up considerably, to the point that we are pushing for top 100 in our 1st season.however 1 commander has took offence to me doing so and even described my actions as sleazy and classless.bear in mind I was always polite and every alliance I visited I never said a bad word about the alliance, just posted my requirements for alliance, left messages for the players I was referring to and if there was some1 with a decent team but not very good points what I would want from them if they wanted to join too.pretty reasonable thing to do if u ask me but being referred to as sleazy and classless didnt sit right with me.did I do wrong or was it a creative way to recruit? I certainly wouldnt mind if it was done to me by a vastly better alliance and I would wish my guy luck if I couldn't promise a better season finish than the poaching/rescuing alliance.

Unknown

I have had that happen a couple of times to my alliance. I leave my alliance public, cause i am too lazy to recruit. We were PvP top 100...like 96 or so until 2 players bailed tonight cause they could no longer keep up with our requirements. That opened up slots for some scrub to join and tell people to join his alliance. I dont get too offended in a video game, a mobile one at that, but the only words that came to mind were...bush league....and what a b@$!#.

Arondite

Square wrote:

jimstarooney wrote:

And at the end of the day ben grimm we are all competing against each other, its not like I propositioned the guys wife.

You opened a thread because you wanted opinions and you can't complain that people don't agree. It's true, you didn't propostion his wife: you came into the place in the game he personally was working on building, and tried to take out his strongest support. Hmm, should he be annoyed? I think so.

Some people are just over-competitive. Everyone tends to have more fun when people play with sportsmanship, so if you are over-competitive, don't be shocked if you get a bad rep.

It's also not his job to make sure player a's alliance is a happy healthy family.

He's looking for good players. He found a good way to pre-screen players and check their scores, see where they stand.

You may find it amoralistic or something you wouldn't participate in, but everyone is essentially saying he's wrong like this is a black and white, cut and dry issue. Yes, the creator of the alliance is left the loser of the situation, but just because there is a loser doesn't make it a bad or wrong action.

Worker bee

I agree with jim. To many people have allainces with 15 good people and 5 leeching off rewards over and over. Especially commanders that should leave if they quit playing. Either way there are to many chiefs and not enough indians. If 2 good allainces joined then they could compete. Then again i was in a good allaince with u jim and after u split others split so mamy times i find myself rebuilding all over when all we needed was an agreement on our focus and to boot a few lazy people and we would be killing it. I have watched to many people get impatient and jump ship. The reality is that this is a game get people in ur clan however u can and once u hit top 100 u need to give the weaker people a chance to grow and its a matter of time before your an awesome allaince. If u get mad ur team left its because u dont have loyalty. I bet all the teams jim snatched people from they never communicated on a regular basis. Why would anyone stay if they dont know how aggressive the leader is recruiting. Or if there is ever a chance to get top 100. Reality is we should all just make one active allaince and a sub alliance and reward the hard workers with rights into the top teir and send weaker potential to the 2nd. I bet we would kill it.

Square

Arondite wrote:

just because there is a loser doesn't make it a bad or wrong action.

Yeah, it kind of does. It's a matter of sportsmanship.

I was in a top 150 alliance when the new Thor came out. I could have ditched my alliance mid season to join a top 100 one, but I told my commander I'd finish out the season, now I'm in a top 50 one. I lost out on one cover, but I didn't shaft an alliance that if been in for three seasons, and we're all on good terms now (i.e they don't try to snipe me if I'm in their shard). There was no loser in that case. I have six covers for Thor now, I wouldn't be any happier with a seventh.

I realize its a game and some people think no amount of manners are necessary when on the Internet (not aimed at you necessarily, I was just reading the comment section on a news article about a teen suicide: ridiculous to say the least), but when you're making people miserable in an unsportsmanlike manner over a game, it's time to think about what you're doing. It's not something I'd report to D3, it's just disappointing.

It is rude to do what this guy did. Does rude mean bad or wrong? Depends on the person, I guess. I think being rude is bad.

jimstarooney

Opinion is split guys and I appreciate the input negative or not.for the record I dont need to do this anymore im quite happy with my alliance as it is.and for every alliance I have supposedly ruined I think of the guys that didnt have much clue on recruiting in their own alliance with good scores that have benefited and decided to join mine.

Unknown

Opinion is split because you are a slime ball. You saying that there are players on alliances that people that are "leeching" is besides the point. That is a reason the player should decide between staying out of loyalty or moving on. That has NOTHING to do with a weasel like you.

What you are doing is unethical. This is without debate. In the corporate world and on a government level, it's called espionage. Make no mistake about it, this is what you are doing. You can call it nice words like "poaching" or "rescuing" to try and gain sympathy for your underhanded tactics.

You may have the same right as everyone else to play this game, but you do not belong on this forum with the other respectable people that reside here. While many of us different views regarding this game and strategies, we do not go into other alliances with the single agenda of stealing people from their alliances. I'm not sure where the line is, but you have definitely crossed it.

Feel free to pass on to the people in your alliance (that you have helped), that I will snipe any one I see in that alliance regardless of their roster. Oh, and make sure you tell them that they can thank you, as I'm sure I would not be going all out against your members without your "help." Have fun.

P.S. Any other forum members, feel free to pass it on to your alliance members to attack any members of Halo Clan that they come across.

Arondite

Square wrote:

Arondite wrote:

just because there is a loser doesn't make it a bad or wrong action.

Yeah, it kind of does. It's a matter of sportsmanship.

I was in a top 150 alliance when the new Thor came out. I could have ditched my alliance mid season to join a top 100 one, but I told my commander I'd finish out the season, now I'm in a top 50 one. I lost out on one cover, but I didn't shaft an alliance that if been in for three seasons, and we're all on good terms now (i.e they don't try to snipe me if I'm in their shard). There was no loser in that case. I have six covers for Thor now, I wouldn't be any happier with a seventh.

That's well and good, but it doesn't relate to this situation at all.

You did a nice thing for someone else, and if that benefitted you morally more than obtaining the cover would've benefitted you materially, you did the right thing... for you.

Right and wrong are subjective things. It's no one's duty to protect other players or to behave in a way that benefits said other players. Your only duty is to enjoy this game. If that means stepping on other players toes, you have that right. They have the same right. Your exercise of restraint doesn't remove their right.

I realize its a game and some people think no amount of manners are necessary when on the Internet (not aimed at you necessarily, I was just reading the comment section on a news article about a teen suicide: ridiculous to say the least), but when you're making people miserable in an unsportsmanlike manner over a game, it's time to think about what you're doing. It's not something I'd report to D3, it's just disappointing.

I understand why you might feel that way. I personally, wouldn't do the same thing as Jim has, but I will defend his right to do so until I'm blue in the face (or fingers, in this case). And I mean that more than in just saying that he has the ability to do so - it is not, objectively, wrong of him.

It is rude to do what this guy did. Does rude mean bad or wrong? Depends on the person, I guess. I think being rude is bad.

Rude is, again, a subjective thing. It's not Jim's job to protect other alliances and the way that they feel if it comes at the cost of gimping his own, or reducing his recruiting methods. Would you or I? Perhaps not. But Jim did, and Jim can, and Jim isn't wrong for not abiding our morals.

jimstarooney

Lol stephen come at me bro!