[POLL] How do you react on latest alliance changes?

GothicKratos

I just want to say that, all things considered, the actual results of this poll are rather interesting, considering the "considerable outcry".

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GothicKratos wrote:

I just want to say that, all things considered, the actual results of this poll are rather interesting, considering the "considerable outcry".

The poll is incredibly slanted toward rage when you consider that statistically, a very small percentage of the people can possibly spent significant money into an alliance in the first place. If the alliance members shared the cost equally it's less than 1000 HP per person and that's obviously not something worth getting angry over, not that there's even a way you could've bought your alliances in such way. Of course the guys who didn't spend much on alliance slots wouldn't have a problem with it. Looking at the cost breakdown it's virtually impossible for more than 10% of the population to have spent significant money on alliance expansion because if there are 3 people out of 20 paying money to expand the alliance then each of their share is going to be in the $30 range which isn't something to get very angry over.

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GothicKratos wrote:

I just want to say that, all things considered, the actual results of this poll are rather interesting, considering the "considerable outcry".

For those still reading, this is a better example of situational irony, if it were true.

I'd say a fourth of the people promising to never buy hp again, a fourth of the people tearing into the community and the other half basically admitting they never bought slots anyway is about what I would expect.

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Kaigen wrote:

GothicKratos wrote:

I just want to say that, all things considered, the actual results of this poll are rather interesting, considering the "considerable outcry".

For those still reading, this is a better example of situational irony, if it were true. I'd say a fourth of the people promising to never buy hp again and a fourth of the people tearing into the community is about what I would expect.

If 1/4 of the people spent money on alliance then none of them would've spent an amount that's worth getting angry over.

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Maybe before accounting for low voter turn out.

GothicKratos

I meant the oddity that is there are actually more people (even if by two people) voting for "people are whiners" than "never buying HP again". Seems odd, seeing as the average post is "D3 is scum" in regards to all this 'scandal'.

fight4thedream

GothicKratos wrote:

I meant the oddity that is there are actually more people (even if by two people) voting for "people are whiners" than "never buying HP again". Seems odd, seeing as the average post is "D3 is scum" in regards to all this 'scandal'.

lol perhaps you don't know but "whining and complaining" happens to be a pet peeve of most regular forum goers (with the exception of those who have a cause to fight for a la time zone issue, nerfs/buffs, etc and even then there is no unity among those with axes to grind).

if you actually think about it, the results of this poll aren't all that surprising. More people "win" from this move than "lose". Who the biggest winners are and biggest losers are is difficult to tell, but i think most of the members of early 20 person alliances who have been able to maintain their position feel they got their moneys worth of rewards from the alliance system (a steady flow of HP, ISO, 3* covers with the season 4* cover awards as the cherry on top) and their current position on the food chain will not be threatened by this change (except for those dangling around 100). At the other end of the "winner"spectrum are F2P players that are new or haven't taken the Alliance system seriously now get 20 slots HP-free. The "losers" are those that a.) either bought a lot of slots with HP purchased with cash but were not able to break Top100, for example people who either bought slots progressively or in the later phases of its implementation, or b.) F2P players who sacrificed their own personal HP rewards to try to build an Alliance from the ground up. And even then, that's all on a sliding scale.

Considering that the most active members of this forum tend to be those in T100 alliances and some savvy F2P players, the poll result should not be surprising. Furthermore, many forum members see the move as being beneficial to the game. So those negatively affected by this outcome are in the minority both in the game and on the forum. There are members that sympathize with those that have been negatively affected and there are those that rather just focus on the game. But for the majority of forum members this issue is just another wave of whining and because it involves money and people who registered on the forum to complain, i don't think anyone is expecting the issue to die down anytime soon.

i doubt the matter will reach "True Healing" proportions because "True Healing" affected a lot more players negatively. i imagine it will take another week or so before this matter dies down.

as for me, similarly to Paintsville i also abstain from voting since i believe the devs are trying to do what's best for the game and am just disappointed with the way they chose to go about doing it.

Unknown

Even though I didn't spend any money and this change doesn't really effect me, it's pretty disturbing that D3 is basically taking the $$$$ and running..... again.

I feel bad for the next batch of new players who don't know any better and will throw their money away on this game.

Oh, and there should be an option for "I WILL NEVER SPEND MONEY ON MPQ AGAIN" instead of just stating I will never spend money on HP.

AgentGwapito

I'm not from the U.S. but maybe there could be a law on consumer rights or a consumer law for a justified compensation.. too lazy to look it up

Hope this helps though

Moral

I'm just curious how many outraged people know free 20 man alliances were floating around out there?

All it took was knowing someone who quit and was in a dead alliance. In case nobody noticed, there's a lot of those out there now.

Convince that inactive person to log in, do a CS ticket to become an officer if not, invite the active player, promote, kick, CS ticket to kick inactive officers, CS ticket for a name change.

All free.

Some of the serious players worked this out. Rookies would have no clue.

What would have been the consequences of the status quo?

Like Xmen, picture 5Deadly, S.H.I.E.L.D, SKYNET, Django, Army of Sparta, DeadpoolsTacos and any other franchising off to 4 or 5 20 man alliances because they know what the little guys don't.

There's already a situation where the top 10 are locked in and fairly static. That could quickly become true of top 50 or 100.

I believe D3 acted as they did to head off requiring players to join a major power to be a top 100 Alliance. Even waiting until the end of S7 would have had serious repercussions as that is where alliances break apart and reform.

This is the time to give the little guys time to try and keep it together before the end of season fracturing.

GothicKratos

fight4thedream wrote:

GothicKratos wrote:

I meant the oddity that is there are actually more people (even if by two people) voting for "people are whiners" than "never buying HP again". Seems odd, seeing as the average post is "D3 is scum" in regards to all this 'scandal'.

lol perhaps you don't know but "whining and complaining" happens to be a pet peeve of most regular forum goers (with the exception of those who have a cause to fight for a la time zone issue, nerfs/buffs, etc and even then there is no unity among those with axes to grind).

Moreso from a "loudest person in the room" perspective, than a 'makes logical sense', because I completely agree, more people win from this than lose, even if the gains are minimal.

pmorcs

I bought the bulk of the slots in my alliance (with money) and I voted "whiners". Just for the record.

I have in no way reaped any of these supposed benefits as my alliance is almost all meatspace friends, who are by and large terrible at this game and uncommitted. Whatever, it's a game, it's about having fun. I chose to spend the money and that's on me. My entire alliance could have decided to quit this week and .. what? Am I robbed? No.

Deathclaw

Well, if over a 3rd of the people are really pissed off and probably not spending money again or quitting, then either a 3rd of the forum goers are people that spent money OR think its **** even if they didn't spend money. Thats a pretty big % considering what a small population purchasers vs non purchasers is.