"Effective level"

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Is it just me, or does the moniker "Effective level" seem rather bogus? I can't really imagine say, a 3 star who is the same level as a 2 star, putting up a decent enough fight to call it relatively even.

As a case in point, in No Man's Land, using my 70 Original Black Widow against a 71 Grey Suit Black Widow, I completely dominated the Grey Suit, even though said level was supposed to be her "Effective Level".

As another example, just looking at stats between my 84 Punisher and 85 Wolverine, in the two colors that they share, Wolverine completely outclasses a 3 star character of the same level +/- 1. Would really like to see Effective Level actually mean something, quite honestly.

eidehua

I'm pretty sure that since higher star characters have much higher level caps, the scaling is slower. Otherwise a 4* 240 would actually have crazy damage, don't you think? And then it would really be pay to win huh. Of course the 4* are weak because of scaling, but hopefully they can work on making 4*s worth more without making them overpowered with "effective level"

It's hard to say much regarding ur OBW vs GSBW argument, considering you are against the AI. Note how I beat the 240 Rag/Jugg/Venom with 61 wolvie/15 punisher/18 b. widow. Plus, GSBW has high ap costs, so the AI might not have matched up to use a skill.

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eidehua wrote:

I'm pretty sure that since higher star characters have much higher level caps, the scaling is slower. Otherwise a 4* 240 would actually have crazy damage, don't you think? And then it would really be pay to win huh. Of course the 4* are weak because of scaling, but hopefully they can work on making 4*s worth more without making them overpowered with "effective level"

It's hard to say much regarding ur OBW vs GSBW argument, considering you are against the AI. Note how I beat the 240 Rag/Jugg/Venom with 61 wolvie/15 punisher/18 b. widow. Plus, GSBW has high ap costs, so the AI might not have matched up to use a skill.

Hard to say though on the match damage. I now have leveled that punisher to 85, and did another comparison. His highest match damage is equal to Wolverine's 2nd highest (45 black to wolvie's 45 red), whereas wolvie green gets 50 to damage. Yes, the difference itself almost seems negligible, up until the point you choose who you want to take if you don't have the needed iso on hand to level. Naturally, the one with higher match damage, in this instance, discounting skills. I don't think they would scale into being too strong given that the point difference may be small.

Perhaps starting them at level 1 would actually give them that edge, with the same stats they begin with now. For a 3 star, 15 effective levels equates to roughly every 3 levels gaining a state increase outside of health increase.

As more details on the widow vs widow fight, mostly the board was in my favor until the last leg, when the computer did manage to get a sniper shot off, but wasn't able to actually save her from the loss.

Spoit

eidehua wrote:

I'm pretty sure that since higher star characters have much higher level caps, the scaling is slower. Otherwise a 4* 240 would actually have crazy damage, don't you think? And then it would really be pay to win huh. Of course the 4* are weak because of scaling, but hopefully they can work on making 4*s worth more without making them overpowered with "effective level"

It's hard to say much regarding ur OBW vs GSBW argument, considering you are against the AI. Note how I beat the 240 Rag/Jugg/Venom with 61 wolvie/15 punisher/18 b. widow. Plus, GSBW has high ap costs, so the AI might not have matched up to use a skill.

Iirc, even at max level 4 *s are really not that great

eidehua

Hard to say what will happen about point difference, if only I could check the dmg on the 240 rag from the final showdown.
Perhaps the dmg difference isn't much between 2 and 3 stars, but it probably is for a 2 star/3star vs a 4 star of the same level.

Starting them at level 1 w/ current stats could be good.

And it's still hard to make an argument considering the AI. I think grey suit does a lot better if someone feeds her green, and the AI might not do that. Plus I doubt the AI would use deceptive tactics to try and make a match 5

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eidehua wrote:

I'm pretty sure that since higher star characters have much higher level caps, the scaling is slower. Otherwise a 4* 240 would actually have crazy damage, don't you think? And then it would really be pay to win huh. Of course the 4* are weak because of scaling, but hopefully they can work on making 4*s worth more without making them overpowered with "effective level"

It's hard to say much regarding ur OBW vs GSBW argument, considering you are against the AI. Note how I beat the 240 Rag/Jugg/Venom with 61 wolvie/15 punisher/18 b. widow. Plus, GSBW has high ap costs, so the AI might not have matched up to use a skill.

Iirc, even at max level 4 *s are really not that great

I know. If they had the same scaling as a 2 or 3 stars character (or 1 star) they would be OP. AKA if "effective level" should be consistent across all * characters.
They probably could use a little buff, of course.
For instance, level 190 yelena (pretty sure she's not buffed) has 109 purple match dmg.
Now if they are doing some trickery w/ overcapped characters (instead of just using the character's scaling formula) it might be different.

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Is effective level what decides the difficulty rating on these maps? Love this "Trivial" 57 Hulk that can cascade anyone I own to death if I look at him when he's not stunned.

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Aluminium_Man wrote:

Is effective level what decides the difficulty rating on these maps? Love this "Trivial" 57 Hulk that can cascade anyone I own to death if I look at him when he's not stunned.

Clearly they meant to introduce a new challenge in that one... play with your eyes closed

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Yeah the "effective levels" are kind of misleading. The 3 stars build up slower than 2 stars. To get comparable results you need probably 10-20 levels more on a 3 star.

Even then you can't directly pit a GSBW against a OBW. The AI is just terrible with her. It can't use her purple properly and it doesn't work towards her green.