Nonce's Grand Plan for Game Balancing

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tobi69 wrote:

Wow, you care so much about this game.
They should hire you nonce, seriously. For B.Analyst or QA/QC prolly.

No, no, no. No way! Nonce is totally OP in the MPQ community, to the point of being totally broken. What do we do with broken OP?

NERF!

Moderator --> Non-Moderator.


Seriously, though, shows exactly what's wrong with D3. Instead of listening to Nonce, he gets nerfed.
Furthermore, if they don't listen to Nonce, what makes anyone think they will listen to anything anyone says on here?

*weep*

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Nonce Equitaur 2 wrote:

Trisul wrote:

Having every color combination doesn't need to be a design priority and seems like wasted effort, since color balance doesn't necessarily dictate the game being balanced as a whole. Having certain colors be rarer is just as legitimate a design choice as completely even color balance, especially when ability colors are supposed to "feel" a certain way.

Thor(x2), Sentry, Ares, Wolverine(x2) are all YEL/RED/GRN, and that jam up eliminates a lot of good teams. Spreading out the color combos opens up a lot more strategic possibilities.

I agree with Trisul here. Making "Sentry/Patch/lThor" a more viable team doesn't open up strategy, it ELIMINATES it. It's a perfectly valid design strategy to have a handful of powerful characters with good HP and offense to be the "core hitter" of a team. Naturally, you'd want those characters to share colors so players have to make the strategic decision over which to use instead of just stacking them all on a team.

Dayv

AJBCLF wrote:

tobi69 wrote:

Wow, you care so much about this game.
They should hire you nonce, seriously. For B.Analyst or QA/QC prolly.

No, no, no. No way! Nonce is totally OP in the MPQ community, to the point of being totally broken. What do we do with broken OP?

NERF!

Moderator --> Non-Moderator.

Yeah, they should have made everyone else a moderator instead! Buff the others!

Houtro

Man you care so much for this game! Thank you*


*If I catch you in my queue its auto-skip (it is anyway I have low levels)

Nonce Equitaur 2

Here's what the power chart would look like with the suggested changes above.

Max Tile Damage .... Crit .... Power cost ....... Max HP .. Namelink to stats (link to discussion)
82/12/73/11/64/10/3.0 - 14/__/10/__/_9/__ - 8220 - [goto=invisible4]Invisible Woman[/goto] (Classic)
82/11/73/64/12/10/3.5 - 12/__/10/12/__/__ - 9590 - [goto=nickfury4]Nick Fury[/goto] (Director of SHIELD)
64/10/12/11/82/73/4.0 - _9/__/__/__/_8/11 - 10960- [goto=wolverine4]Wolverine[/goto] (X-Force)

70/13/79/12/61/11/3.5 - 11/__/_8/__/_9/__ - 6800 - [goto=beast3]Beast[/goto] (Modern)
79/13/70/12/11/61/3.5 - _9/__/_8/__/__/12 - 8500 - [goto=blackpanther3]Black Panther[/goto] (Man Without Fear)
61/11/12/79/70/13/4.0 - 14/__/__/11/19/__ - 5950 - [goto=blackwidow3]Black Widow[/goto] (Grey Suit)
79/70/61/11/12/13/3.0 - 12/11/12/__/__/__ - 8500 - [goto=captainamerica3]Captain America[/goto] (Steve Rogers)
70/79/12/11/13/61/4.5 - PA/_7/__/__/__/_9 - 8500 - [goto=captainmarvel3]Captain Marvel[/goto] (Modern)
79/70/13/11/12/61/3.0 - _8/11/__/__/__/13 - 10200- [goto=colossus3]Colossus[/goto] (Classic)
11/12/61/70/13/79/4.0 - __/__/_5/PA/__/PA - 6800 - [goto=daken3]Daken[/goto] (Classic)
11/61/70/79/12/13/3.5 - __/_7/_7/11/__/__ - 6800 - [goto=daredevil3]Daredevil[/goto] (Classic)
13/61/11/79/12/70/4.5 - __/_6/__/14/__/PA - 6800 - [goto=deadpool3]Deadpool[/goto] (It's Me, Deadpool)
11/12/79/13/61/70/3.0 - __/__/_9/__/PA/12 - 7176 - [goto=doctordoom3]Doctor Doom[/goto] (Classic) --health
79/13/70/61/12/11/3.0 - PA/__/PA/12/__/__ - 5950 - [goto=falcon3]Falcon[/goto] (Mighty Avengers)
13/79/12/11/61/70/3.0 - __/_8/__/__/_5/10 - 5950 - [goto=humantorch3]Human Torch[/goto] (Classic)
70/79/61/13/12/11/3.5 - 14/13/20/__/__/__ - 8500 - [goto=ironman3]Iron Man[/goto] (Model 40)
12/11/13/79/61/70/3.0 - __/__/__/_5/PA/_9 - 5023 - [goto=loki3]Loki[/goto] (Dark Reign) --health
61/70/11/79/12/13/3.2 - _9/_8/__/10/__/__ - 6800 - [goto=magneto3]Magneto[/goto] (Classic)
11/79/70/13/12/61/3.8 - __/_8/10/__/__/_6 - 6800 - [goto=psylocke3]Psylocke[/goto] (Classic)
11/61/11/12/61/12/3.0 - __/_6/__/__/_6/__ - 8611 - [goto=ragnarok3]Ragnarok[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
61/79/13/11/70/12/3.0 - _8/11/__/__/_7/__ -10200- [goto=sentry3]Sentry[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
13/70/79/12/61/11/3.0 - __/_9/_9/__/12/__ - 10200- [goto=shehulk3]She-Hulk[/goto] (Modern)
12/13/61/70/79/11/3.0 - __/__/_5/PA/_7/__ - 6800 - [goto=spiderman3]Spider-Man[/goto] (Classic)
70/12/11/13/79/61/3.5 - _9/__/__/__/10/_9 - 8500 - [goto=storm3]Storm[/goto] (Mohawk)
79/13/12/70/11/61/4.5 - 15/__/__/PA/__/_9 - 5100 - [goto=thehood3]The Hood[/goto] (Classic)
12/70/13/61/79/11/3.0 - __/14/__/PA/10/__ - 11475- [goto=thehulk3]The Hulk[/goto] (Indestructible)
11/61/12/13/70/79/4.0 - __/_8/__/__/_8/_7 - 6800 - [goto=thepunisher3]The Punisher[/goto] (Dark Reign)
70/79/12/11/61/13/3.5 - 12/_8/__/__/14/__ -10200- [goto=thor3]Thor[/goto] (Modern)
61/70/13/12/79/11/4.0 - PA/14/__/__/_9/__ - 6800 - [goto=wolverine3]Wolverine[/goto] (Patch)

Domination optimization was applied to the weak tiles, with bonuses for Hulk, Patch, Marvel, Collosus, and Daken. All domination is good, but it's especially good for tanks. There are 6140942214464815497216 cases to check, but the following is likely hard to beat.

82/12/73/10/64/11/ IW
82/11/73/64/12/10/ Fury
64/10/12/11/82/73/ WolvX
70/13/79/11/61/12/ Beast
79/11/70/13/12/61/ BP
61/13/11/79/70/12/ BWGS
79/70/61/12/11/13/ Cap
70/79/13/12/11/61/ Marvel
79/70/13/12/11/61/ Colossus
11/12/61/70/13/79/ Daken
12/61/70/79/13/11/ Daredevil
12/61/11/79/13/70/ Deadpool
11/12/79/13/61/70/ Doom
79/11/70/61/12/13/ Falcon
11/79/13/12/61/70/ Torch
70/79/61/12/11/13/ IM40
13/12/11/79/61/70/ Loki
61/70/12/79/11/13/ Magneto
11/79/70/13/12/61/ Psylocke
61/79/12/11/70/13/ Sentry
13/70/79/11/61/12/ SheHulk
12/13/61/70/79/11/ Spidey
70/13/12/11/79/61/ Storm
79/11/13/70/12/61/ Hood
13/70/11/61/79/12/ Hulk
13/61/12/11/70/79/ Punisher
70/79/12/11/61/13/ Thor
61/70/12/11/79/13/ Patch

Here's a list of the dominators in the chart above.
Beast......Daken Daredevil Fury IW
BP.........Cap Colossus IM40 Magneto Marvel Patch Sentry Thor WolvX
BWGS.......Daken Doom Fury IW Loki
Cap........Beast BWGS Patch Punisher Storm WolvX
Colossus...Beast BWGS Magneto Patch Punisher Sentry Storm Thor WolvX
Daken......BP Colossus Falcon Fury Hood Marvel WolvX
Daredevil..Daken Fury Hood Spidey
Deadpool...BP Falcon Fury Hood Psylocke
Doom.......BP Cap Colossus Falcon Fury Hood IM40 Marvel Psylocke
Falcon.....Cap IM40 Marvel WolvX
Fury.......BP Cap Colossus Falcon IM40 Marvel WolvX
Hood.......Hulk IM40 Magneto Marvel Patch Sentry Thor WolvX
Hulk.......Daredevil Doom IW
IM40.......BWGS Hulk Magneto Patch Punisher Sentry SheHulk WolvX
IW.........BP Falcon Fury Hood
Loki.......BP Falcon Fury Hood Psylocke
Magneto....BWGS Hulk Spidey
Marvel.....BWGS Hulk Magneto Patch Punisher Sentry SheHulk Storm Thor WolvX
Patch......BWGS Daredevil Deadpool Hulk IW Loki Punisher SheHulk
Psylocke...Cap Colossus IM40 Magneto Marvel Patch
Punisher...Deadpool Doom IW Loki
Sentry.....BWGS Daredevil Deadpool Hulk IW Loki SheHulk
SheHulk....Daken Daredevil Deadpool Fury IW Spidey
Spidey.....Daken Doom Fury Torch
Storm......BWGS IW Loki Sentry
Thor.......BWGS Daredevil Deadpool Hulk Magneto SheHulk
Torch......Colossus Magneto Patch Storm Thor
WolvX......BWGS Deadpool Hulk Loki Patch Sentry

Here's a list of who is dominating them
Beast......Cap Colossus
BP.........Daken Deadpool Doom Fury IW Loki
BWGS.......Cap Colossus IM40 Magneto Marvel Patch Sentry Storm Thor WolvX
Cap........BP Doom Falcon Fury Psylocke
Colossus...BP Daken Doom Fury Psylocke Torch
Daken......Beast BWGS Daredevil SheHulk Spidey
Daredevil..Beast Hulk Patch Sentry SheHulk Thor
Deadpool...Patch Punisher Sentry SheHulk Thor WolvX
Doom.......BWGS Hulk Punisher Spidey
Falcon.....Daken Deadpool Doom Fury IW Loki
Fury.......Beast BWGS Daken Daredevil Deadpool Doom IW Loki SheHulk Spidey
Hood.......Daken Daredevil Deadpool Doom IW Loki
Hulk.......Hood IM40 Magneto Marvel Patch Sentry Thor WolvX
IM40.......BP Doom Falcon Fury Hood Psylocke
IW.........Beast BWGS Hulk Patch Punisher Sentry SheHulk Storm
Loki.......BWGS Patch Punisher Sentry Storm WolvX
Magneto....BP Colossus Hood IM40 Marvel Psylocke Thor Torch
Marvel.....BP Daken Doom Falcon Fury Hood Psylocke
Patch......BP Cap Colossus Hood IM40 Marvel Psylocke Torch WolvX
Psylocke...Deadpool Doom Loki
Punisher...Cap Colossus IM40 Marvel Patch
Sentry.....BP Colossus Hood IM40 Marvel Storm WolvX
SheHulk....IM40 Marvel Patch Sentry Thor
Spidey.....Daredevil Magneto SheHulk
Storm......Cap Colossus Marvel Torch
Thor.......BP Colossus Hood Marvel Torch
Torch......Spidey
WolvX......BP Cap Colossus Daken Falcon Fury Hood IM40 Marvel

This works well for Colossus and Captain Marvel, but doesn't work well for Hulk or Hood. Will need to adjust methods a bit, to make it bad for Hood or BWGS to dominate.

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Phantron wrote:

If they hired Nonce, he'd never have enough time to test anything he suggested unless he wants to work a ton of overtime. I'm not sure where I saw this, but I saw a quote that's like 'if we played the game as much as our players do we'd never have time to get anything done' from a dev and it's surprisingly true.

Just for emphasis, this always has been and always will be true. A gamer's player base will grind out thousands and thousands of hours of play and, if used correctly, can be an incredibly useful resource when looking at balance.